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What a performance. Can't properly remember a performance such as this by any other Chelsea player. Got the goals plus had the defensive work-rate. Brilliant brilliant, abs-fucking-lutely brilliant.

And you with the frequent complaining. but hey if that's what you wanna do then I won't stop you. In a sense true. But Adi Viveash has stuck to a very stringent system. Unlike other clubs where the main team and the sub divisions play exactly the same type of football, Chelsea doesn't. Once again you are confusing relative terms. I've never said that Nat has 0 tactical aptitude. He is been brilliant in his own way. In comparison with Marco, for me, he falls just a lil short. Not really. Age is merely a number in the sense that ability wise a younger player could have much better ability than a player older to him.

Changing roles isn't tactical aptitude. That's called versatility. A whole different term. Vittese went from experiment with a false 9, to using wing-backs, to causing central overloads in defensive transitions. All of which had a direct effect on the two midfielders. But when it comes to versatility, Marco has played as a holding, very little as a defensive and also as a DLP ( the phase in which he grabbed a few goals and got compared to Gerrard and Lampard). Watford haven't shuffled around their system, mostly because Zola still wasn't sure throughout the campaign about how he wanted his players to perform. Midway through, he was decided. The point is tactical aptitude is different to playing in different zones of the field. Once again. Completely missing my point. I'm not saying Nat's technical ability sucks, my point is Marco's is better. Just cause I say Messi is better than Ronaldo at lobbing the ball, doesn't mean Ronaldo is jackshit at lobbing. Not once have I criticized Nat. Just cause I say Falcao is better than Cavani, doesn't mean I'm criticising Cavani. Just means that Falcao is better than Cavani at what he does. Ah yes I'm the one entertaining the members of the forum here ! Fine by me. :tophat: This I agree. Only reason I don't want us to get another player in the middle. Promote Nat next season, and use him Marco and Rami next season. Mikel and Lampard to come in when needed. Come on mate, we all know its a town. Calling it a small place isn't that polite. Plus more like north-west.

i disagree on the fact that Marco isn't composed. One can't judge him on the time he has played here, which is so little. I'm not saying anything about whether Chalobah can fit in here at Chels or not. That's another debate, not really concerned about it. as long as I'm 'boot licky' and not a part-time 'provoke specialist' . In a whole Marco when it comes to tactical aptitude is better than Chalobah has been. Able to fit in with different midfield partners and different system's that the assistant manager seems to employ. Once again, I'm only talking about right now, and for me Marco at Vitesse has been much better than Chalobah at wherever he has been on loan. That doesn't mean either of them can't develop into something better in the future. For all fate knows, Chalobah could end up much better than Marco. But as of now, my opinion is very different. And didn't say he isn't developed enough. But when you compare the development between the two, taking various factors such as fitness, work-rate, tactical aptitude (which is one of the biggest reasons), technical ability etc, is better than what Nat possesses. For now.

Have to say it though, have followed Vitesse quite well last season and a bit of Watford too, and Marco is head and shoulders above Chalobah. No comparison, Chalobah still needs time. Marco wasn't loaned out for that reason. Don't know what the debate is about, but just making a point about who is more developed.

Salah?!? A transfer target?!?!? ​Let's ask Jose shall we...

Let's face it though, it's tough to come up with a set plan that is going to compliment every player in the squad. Makes it even more harder when we have so many players. It's not just drawing up on the board and creating strategies which will be used for long time. It's an experiment, mistakes are bound to happen and will until the end of the season. There are no quick fixes.

woah for free?

Very good performance. Calmed things down, intelligently tracked back, Thankfully he's finally learned to do that.

Should not have played against Basel. Really could have done with having a fit Frank facing Soton.

^this. People really going overboard with mistake this and mistake that. You need more PR Romelu.

Fucking hell. For the first time I've watched a game and not understood what the fuck a player was trying to do. Tired and cranky, so apologies, but the fuck Frank? I couldn't come up with a depressing adjective to describe that performance.

Anyways, live stream links guys?

You've missed the post I made when the lineup came out, but hey delusion's great. Anyway agree to disagree cause clearly tactics isn't your best subject. take care.

A slow and gradual shift to a 4-3-3, this is going to be bloody exciting. Oscar and Willian same role against Schalke , Eto'o drifting , while the middle three play have same roles as that against the Hammers. Looks set to be a huge scoreline.

Actually a lot of people did, but sadly none of them in this forum, expect Seb probably. Not derailing at all. I found the point over here, and was just trying to get across my view. Nope. Don't think he can in Oscar's role. Ramires's role maybe yes, but definitely not Oscar's. Juan has no previous experience in rotating positions with two other midfielders. You need a bit of work-rate for that too. Maybe if he's adapted, then a slight yes.

Gives it away when he says 'getting the ball out of pressure zones' . You can't even do that when playing with wingers or interiores . No one's calling you an idiot, or saying that what I or he said is the best opinion ever. Just clarifying the difference between roles in a 4-3-3 are, and the roles played by Mikel, Lampard and Ramires particularly are. Just cause those 3 drop deep doesn't really equate to a 4-3-3. a modern misconception.

Haha you thought Jose agreed with what he said just cause he kept on talking?

Oh okay you weren't serious about it then. sorry !

As Sebastien had said on twitter, a lopsided 4-2-3-1. I don't think you would call the formation we played against Schalke a 4-3-3. Calling it a 4-3-3 directly is a layman's term. Hugely different when you look at particular tactical duties. If you aren't going to call it 4-2-3-1, then 4-3-2-1 at best. Never a 4-3-3 when you have Eto'o drifting sideways to help Hazard make lateral runs and causing overloads in the middle with the help of Oscar. Also in a 4-3-3, Lampard and Ramires wouldn't have to take up central positions. They were often seen covering up in Mikel's zone, with Mikel either higher up or acting as a cover for the CB's.

wasn't an exact 4-3-3. Was still a 4-2-3-1 with a three player rotating profile.

Ah in a system where you don't need attacking work-rate then fine. Riquelme worked hard under Pellegrini though, didn't he? Playmaker wannabe? hmm, alright .

Doesn't that equate to the same thing though? Unless we are talking about the players alone and removing the tactical adaptability coefficient out of them.

Just waiting for Phil to say Mikel....