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The Skipper

20. Callum Hudson-Odoi

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This guy seems to be under the arrogant assumption that Chelsea should just negotiate any deal that is most suited for what Bayern want out of the transfer. Well here's a newsflash, the kid is under contract for another 18 months and Chelsea are holding most, if not all the cards. Sure the player has seemingly made it known he would welcome the move but there’s really not much he can do but keep his head down if the club tell him they're only open to negotiating any potential transfer in the summer and not mid-season.

And if that's the case then Bayern’s only options are to either wait till the summer to come back with a new offer if they still want him, or even try to wait a little longer and snap him up on a free in 2020 when his contract expires. Latter might not really be a good option because he would almost certainly be frozen out from the first team next season if he made his intentions of running the contract down known to the club and that would mean a year’s worth of development wasted. Because let's face it why would any big club be open to keep developing a still unproven 18-year-old youngster if it was already known he would end up going to another club on a freebie and the new club would be the only ones to reap all the rewards?

The way I see it, the possibilities are as follows:

1. Bayern pay overvalue this January, making it impossible for Chelsea to say now. I’m thinking like €50M or something, surely that’s too good to decline for an 18-year-old with that little experience no matter the potential.

2. The player stays and doesn’t sign a new contract. He will keep his head down and continue playing whatever games he can between now and the rest of the season, when situation will be re-examined. At that time he will either sign the new contract if he’s happy with the role he’s gotten or is sold, to Bayern or whoever else depending on how he’s performed during the rest of this season. In case of a sale, no matter how good or bad he’s played the price will definitely be lower than it would be now because a) the contract is then only 12 months and b ) getting a replacement in the summer is easier for Chelsea.

Either way it's all about what Chelsea are willing to do and not about what/when Bayern want, which I'm sure must be a really tough spot for them having usually been dealing with Bundesliga clubs that just give into their bullying tactics without putting up any fight.

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5 minutes ago, Jype said:

This guy seems to be under the arrogant assumption that Chelsea should just negotiate any deal that is most suited for what Bayern want out of the transfer. Well here's a newsflash, the kid is under contract for another 18 months and Chelsea are holding most, if not all the cards. Sure the player has seemingly made it known he would welcome the move but there’s really not much he can do but keep his head down if the club tell him they're only open to negotiating any potential transfer in the summer and not mid-season.

And if that's the case then Bayern’s only options are to either wait till the summer to come back with a new offer if they still want him, or even try to wait a little longer and snap him up on a free in 2020 when his contract expires. Latter might not really be a good option because he would almost certainly be frozen out from the first team next season if he made his intentions of running the contract down known to the club and that would mean a year’s worth of development wasted. Because let's face it why would any big club be open to keep developing a still unproven 18-year-old youngster if it was already known he would end up going to another club on a freebie and the new club would be the only ones to reap all the rewards?

The way I see it, the possibilities are as follows:

1. Bayern pay overvalue this January, making it impossible for Chelsea to say now. I’m thinking like €50M or something, surely that’s too good to decline for an 18-year-old with that little experience no matter the potential.

2. The player stays and doesn’t sign a new contract. He will keep his head down and continue playing whatever games he can between now and the rest of the season, when situation will be re-examined. At that time he will either sign the new contract if he’s happy with the role he’s gotten or is sold, to Bayern or whoever else depending on how he’s performed during the rest of this season. In case of a sale, no matter how good or bad he’s played the price will definitely be lower than it would be now because a) the contract is then only 12 months and b ) getting a replacement in the summer is easier for Chelsea.

Either way it's all about what Chelsea are willing to do and not about what/when Bayern want, which I'm sure must be a really tough spot for them having usually been dealing with Bundesliga clubs that just give into their bullying tactics without putting up any fight.

Basically.  If you want a player in the winter window you have to overpay.  No one wants to lose a member of the squad half way through the season.  It has to be an offer that's too good to refuse.  We've paid those premiums a number of times.  It's the facts of the winter window. 

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8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Chelsea may report Bayern Munich to FIFA for tapping up teenage wonderkid Callum Hudson-Odoi

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6575095/Chelsea-report-Bayern-Munich-tapping-Callum-Hudson-Odoi.html

At the very least this looks like Chelsea will do the absolute most they can do before giving in and letting CHO go.

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The transfer rumours don't seem to be affecting his game at the moment. I would keep him until at least the summer and try to change his mind. If his only motivation for leaving is the lack of opportunities then he will stay otherwise we are just delaying the inevitable.

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35 minutes ago, DDA said:

Marcos Alonso to Hudson-Odoi: “Bayern Munich? We are Chelsea, another great team, the Premier League is the most competitive league in the world, I don’t know why someone would go to Bayern Munich” Hate him or love him, this is quality 👏 https://t.co/mGcV1Pk51L

 

Fair play Alonso. 

I don’t like Alonso, but I love reading this kind of stuff. None of our players have heart these days. We need Drogs, Essien, Ballack, Terry, Ivanovic and these types back. Not players like Willian and Morata.

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51 minutes ago, DDA said:

Marcos Alonso to Hudson-Odoi: “Bayern Munich? We are Chelsea, another great team, the Premier League is the most competitive league in the world, I don’t know why someone would go to Bayern Munich” Hate him or love him, this is quality 👏 https://t.co/mGcV1Pk51L

 

Fair play Alonso. 

Don’t love him, even if it sounds that I do when I defend him, but certainly don’t hate him.

alonso is a very good player who is playing well below his level. Whether that’s system or phase, not for me to say.

regarding the comment, he’s spot on! Most overrated team in the world - Drogba says hi! ;)

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6 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Don’t love him, even if it sounds that I do when I defend him, but certainly don’t hate him.

alonso is a very good player who is playing well below his level. Whether that’s system or phase, not for me to say.

regarding the comment, he’s spot on! Most overrated team in the world - Drogba says hi! ;)

Yeah Alonso is actually a good lad its a shame he doesnt have pace, thats what pretty much limits him. He has the heart and the attitude and I feel like thats why a lot of fans have not really turned on him in the same way they have on Willian

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1 minute ago, Vybzkartel said:

Yeah Alonso is actually a good lad its a shame he doesnt have pace, thats what pretty much limits him. He has the heart and the attitude and I feel like thats why a lot of fans have not really turned on him in the same way they have on Willian

Does he? I really question his effort. He is always just jogging, never even seen him sprinting, so maybe he's lightning quick and we don't know^^

But surely his commitment to Chelsea can be part of the reason he got a 5 year contract. He at least shows gratitude that we ellevated him to a major player in a big big club other than this thread's guy here. 

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14 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

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already had that story let's hope Bayern indeed fucked up and contacted him when he was still under 18 or before contacting us. Maybe get them a transfer ban for good measure too :D

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

NO player is bigger than the club

he is being a pure cunt

I absolutely say shut him down

we are headed into super bad territory with this one

I see little to no point to having an academy IF

this CHO action causes same thing with whats left of our top prospects

watch Bayern or others come for Reece James, etc etc

soon we will be one giant Southampton at youth level

I dont think most realise the horrific impact this is probably going to have long term

CHO needs to be made an example of

 

It's not CHO's fault. Chelsea didn't give him enough chance.

We will not use Academy player.  As always.

We already have James, Mount, Abaraham, But Chelsea try to bring Hysaj, Barrella, Wilson.

If we bring in a world-class player, of course we don't need to be obsessed with youth. But Chelsea's trasfer targets are Uncertain player.

If Chelsea succeed in bringing Hysaj, Barrela, Wilson, Our all talented youth will leave Chelsea as following Odoi.

I already gave up about this team's youth strategy. They just think of the Academy as business.

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1 minute ago, scargo said:

 

If Chelsea succeed in bringing Hysaj, Barrela, Wilson, Our all talented youth will leave Chelsea as following Odoi.

 

Only one I want on there is Barella, he is a must buy

we have no youth remotely close to him

so he isnt germane to the convo

I dont quite rate Mount yet, think he is overhyped and weak physically atm, but should be better in a couple years

Hysaj has regressed

We need a true upgrade over Azpi, if Reece  isnt ready we need to go buy

out fullbacks are shit in one form (both are shit on offence) or the other or both (Alonso is pure shit on defence too, and to be honest Azpi hasnt looked great in most games)

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1 hour ago, Vybzkartel said:

Yeah Alonso is actually a good lad its a shame he doesnt have pace, thats what pretty much limits him. He has the heart and the attitude and I feel like thats why a lot of fans have not really turned on him in the same way they have on Willian

I honestly think this is more about the system than anything else: alonsos lack of pace can only be a detriment if you allow it to be.

regarding eden and cho maybe folks here have a point: if eden is really gone, perhaps that gives us leverage regarding cho new deal.

my point has always been that any top player would give pause to an offer in the hazard wages range.

now whether cho deserves that sort of deal is really up to Chelsea and the myriad of coaches around him.

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9 hours ago, Jype said:

"They have offered £35m, understood to be an initial £15m with £20m in add-ons"

Oh fuck off, they're having a laugh. :lol:

A laugh? In the meantime Bayern fans feel they're getting milked.

I seriously can't come up with a name of a player signed by Bayern for the first-team squad (i.e. not the reserve team that plays in the 4th division) with less/as much experience as CHO. The risk is great, and as I had previously explained if CHO flops (which, let's face it and be honest, there's quite a decent chance of that happening) we'd struggle to get more than £4m for. We're the club who sold Toni Kroos to Real Madrid for less money than we're offering you for CHO, and the initial fee of £15m is over three times the total fee PSG paid us for Bernat last summer who is in their XI. It's not an insignificant amount of money, so you have to understand why Bayern don't want to carry all of the risks associated with this transfer. The initial fee alone is already over double what Borussia Dortmund paid for Sancho. If it was up to me, Bayern would have pulled out of negotiations a while ago, because clearly Chelsea don't want to sell and Bayern can't afford to just keep upping their bids without limits. We could get an already-developed player for that price, like Thorgan Hazard (Eden's brother) who's available for €42m.

In essence, Bayern are definitely not "having a laugh" but have been seeing red for at least the last 2 bids. Whether or not you agree with the evaluation is a different story, but from Bayern's perspective we're offering you the price of an already-developed player and multiple of times more than what Sancho sold for, also from a rich Premier League club to a Bundesliga club.

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9 hours ago, Robchels said:
Don’t love him, even if it sounds that I do when I defend him, but certainly don’t hate him.
alonso is a very good player who is playing well below his level. Whether that’s system or phase, not for me to say.
regarding the comment, he’s spot on! Most overrated team in the world - Drogba says hi!

Alonso is very average player who played one season under Conte beyond his level.
 

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