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Jason

15. Kurt Zouma

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

In the squad over Upamecano, Laporte, Kounde...

 

Insane that Laporte is STILL uncapped, lolol

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with Varane collapsing and VVD out for the season, you could make a case Laporte is the best healthy CB in the world atm

although if you ignore age, Ramos probably for me (although that will not last forever and he is still a mega cunt)

only other competition would be (and this is arguable as fuck)

José Giménez (when healthy for a long run)  
Matthijs de Ligt  (I would not personally list him as such)  
Marquinhos  (my number one CB target)  
Kalidou Koulibaly (has rebounded from last season)

maybe (doubtful) Romagnoli
 

 

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27 minutes ago, Vesper said:

with Varane collapsing and VVD out for the season, you could make a case Laporte is the best healthy CB in the world atm

although if you ignore age, Ramos probably for me (although that will not last forever and he is still a mega cunt)

only other competition would be (and this is arguable as fuck)

José Giménez (when healthy for a long run)  
Matthijs de Ligt  (I would not personally list him as such)  
Marquinhos  (my number one CB target)  
Kalidou Koulibaly (has rebounded from last season)

maybe (doubtful) Romagnoli
 

 

Would you take Ramos for free next summer? 

And why is Laporte not capped? 

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40 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Insane that Laporte is STILL uncapped, lolol

I think Deschamps doesn't appreciate it when players threaten to switch national teams in order to get called-up, as was the case with Laporte and Theo Hernandez. Both of them will likely never be called in the french squad until Deschamps is gone.

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10 minutes ago, Rapkun said:

I think Deschamps doesn't appreciate it when players threaten to switch national teams in order to get called-up, as was the case with Laporte and Theo Hernandez. Both of them will likely never be called in the french squad until Deschamps is gone.

he is a fool then

both are superb

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6 hours ago, Rapkun said:

I think Deschamps doesn't appreciate it when players threaten to switch national teams in order to get called-up, as was the case with Laporte and Theo Hernandez. Both of them will likely never be called in the french squad until Deschamps is gone.

Acm and shitty are really lucky to have them. Uncapped wc players are a rare treasure. likely to have a better career and stay injury free longer. I wish more of our players would reject call ups. It sounds harsh asking them to retire from representing their country but in fact you are just helping the corrupted fifa so there is no fair representation anyway. 

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6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Would you take Ramos for free next summer? 

And why is Laporte not capped? 

hell yes

and I do not know

pure pettiness by Deschamps it sounds like

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15 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

In the squad over Upamecano, Laporte, Kounde...

 

1. Still don't understand how these international matches are being played during this pandemic.

2. Still don't understand how the national teams thought it would be a great idea to organize an unnecessary friendly, on top of the other two matches, in this congested season, in the middle of a fucking pandemic.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

1. Still don't understand how these international matches are being played during this pandemic.

2. Still don't understand how the national teams thought it would be a great idea to organize an unnecessary friendly, on top of the other two matches, in this congested season, in the middle of a fucking pandemic.

And what If this pandemic goes on for years? Do we keep international football off the menu until then? A move that would rob players of a huge number of caps, some of which will end up getting denied the chance to play for their country during the entirety of their peak years.

International football may be boring to most of us fans but to players it's the total opposite, take that away from them and you will suddenly find a high number of demotivated footballers (for example, Thiago S had practically admitted playing in the next world cup is the main thing keeping him motivated and fit in what should be his twilight years).

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35 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And what If this pandemic goes on for years? Do we keep international football off the menu until then? A move that would rob players of a huge number of caps, some of which will end up getting denied the chance to play for their country during the entirety of their peak years.

International football may be boring to most of us fans but to players it's the total opposite, take that away from them and you will suddenly find a high number of demotivated footballers (for example, Thiago S had practically admitted playing in the next world cup is the main thing keeping him motivated and fit in what should be his twilight years).

How about not playing during this second wave, third wave or whatever of the pandemic that has forced countries to go into lockdown again? How about letting players finish the season with their club and let them go play all those international games with their country in the lead-up to the Euros next year (similar to what happened after the restart last season at club level with the domestic and European competitions), instead of risking everyone's health with all the unnecessary travelling, going from one team's bubble to another etc?

If we want to play international football right now, fine, then play only the competitive matches. Why have another stupid friendly on top of the competitive games? International managers, especially, often complain about players being worn out by the time they get to a summer tournament and all and here they are, organizing a friendly, a needless match that risks the players to the virus, to injury etc in this already congested season. How is this even logical?

Like it or not, the pandemic has forced people to change the way they do things, has forced people to adapt to the circumstances, has maybe forced people to do things in a way that they probably don't normally do. People shouldn't act like everything is still normal and try to force things to look normal right now. Nothing is normal at the moment. 

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

How about not playing during this second wave, third wave or whatever of the pandemic that has forced countries to go into lockdown again? How about letting players finish the season with their club and let them go play all those international games with their country in the lead-up to the Euros next year (similar to what happened after the restart last season at club level with the domestic and European competitions), instead of risking everyone's health with all the unnecessary travelling, going from one team's bubble to another etc?

If we want to play international football right now, fine, then play only the competitive matches. Why have another stupid friendly on top of the competitive games? International managers, especially, often complain about players being worn out by the time they get to a summer tournament and all and here they are, organizing a friendly, a needless match that risks the players to the virus, to injury etc in this already congested season. How is this even logical?

Like it or not, the pandemic has forced people to change the way they do things, has forced people to adapt to the circumstances, has maybe forced people to do things in a way that they probably don't normally do. People shouldn't act like everything is still normal and try to force things to look normal right now. Nothing is normal at the moment. 

Football has adapted, they're playing without a crowd (or in some country's reduced numbers), putting tight safety measures in to protect players which has worked excellently (football wouldn't have got the green light to resume let alone carry on during lockdown 2.0 had they not) and players have to follow strict rules when away for a match (for example no one would have raised an eyebrow at Greenwood and Foden getting a bit horny in normal times). Also every player will be tested before they switch from club to International bubbles.

Furthermore is players playing for international's (most of whom in country's significantly better off than England right now) any more "outrageous" than letting Everton or Liverpool (in the country's hot spot) host for example Southampton (where there's no real problems with the virus at this point).

Footballers are safer than they've ever been right now.

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14 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Football has adapted, they're playing without a crowd (or in some country's reduced numbers), putting tight safety measures in to protect players which has worked excellently (football wouldn't have got the green light to resume let alone carry on during lockdown 2.0 had they not) and players have to follow strict rules when away for a match (for example no one would have raised an eyebrow at Greenwood and Foden getting a bit horny in normal times). Also every player will be tested before they switch from club to International bubbles.

Furthermore is players playing for international's (most of whom in country's significantly better off than England right now) any more "outrageous" than letting Everton or Liverpool (in the country's hot spot) host for example Southampton (where there's no real problems with the virus at this point).

We've gone through this before. Going from one team's bubble to another is always gonna be risky because we don't know how the other team's procedure and protocols over the virus. As we have seen across the top leagues or leagues within a country, the procedure and protocols aren't the same. Some appear to be done less rigorously than others. What happens if one country plays another smaller country and that smaller country don't have a proper testing in place and their players happen to have the virus, end up affecting the other team's players? Then what?

14 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Footballers are safer than they've ever been right now.

That's not true and you know it. We have seen many cases among clubs in Serie A, Ligue 1 recently. We have also seen an outbreak at Shakhtar Donetsk, Dynamo Kiev, Ajax for example that forced them to play weakened teams in the Champions League. There are also other examples. 

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8 minutes ago, Jason said:

 Some appear to be done less rigorously than others. What happens if one country plays another smaller country and that smaller country don't have a proper testing in place and their players happen to have the virus, end up affecting the other team's players? Then what?

If we start playing what if's we may aswell just shut football down again just to be on the "safe" side.

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's not true and you know it. We have seen many cases among clubs in Serie A, Ligue 1 recently. We have also seen an outbreak at Shakhtar Donetsk, Dynamo Kiev, Ajax for example that forced them to play weakened teams in the Champions League. There are also other examples. 

Safe as in terms of the measures being taken mean that they're almost certainly clear of Covid when they're on the pitch and they're also a lot less likely to pick up the standard illnesses aswell as pre Covid most players would have soldiered on if they feel like shit whereas now they won't be allowed to chance it.

Yes players have caught it but if anything that strengthens my point about how strong the safety measures are and that it can be caught at club level just as much as International.

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6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

If we start playing what if's we may aswell just shut football down again just to be on the "safe" side.

Safe as in terms of the measures being taken mean that they're almost certainly clear of Covid when they're on the pitch and they're also a lot less likely to pick up the standard illnesses aswell as pre Covid most players would have soldiered on if they feel like shit whereas now they won't be allowed to chance it.

Yes players have caught it but if anything that strengthens my point about how strong the safety measures are and that it can be caught at club level just as much as International.

The virus may not even show up in players when the test is being done given there is an incubation period. We should be minimizing the risk of players getting the virus as much as possible (on top of not being overplayed) but here we are, trying to increase the risks.

And this is not about playing 'what ifs'. It's about taking pre-emptive measures, making pre-emptive decisions rather than only react to it when it's too late. 

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Everton and Tottenham ‘sent offers’ for player this summer – Club wanted close to €45m

http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-tottenham-kurt-zouma-chelsea-transfer-rejected-45m/

 

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Everton and Tottenham ‘sent offers’ to sign Kurt Zouma from Chelsea this summer, but saw their efforts rejected by the Blues.

That’s according to L’Equipe, who cover the player’s situation with France following his impressive displays for Chelsea.

The French centre back has established himself as the first choice alongside Thiago Silva at the beginning of this season and, a couple of blips aside, has earned rave reviews.

His displays have seen him return to the France setup for this international break and L’Equipe explain that the player knows this could be his last chance to impress, with a new generation waiting in the wings to replace him.

He needs to leave his mark, ‘as he has been doing in his club for the past few months’ where he has ‘won over’ Frank Lampard.

Things, though, could have been very different. The newspaper reveals that both Tottenham and Everton ‘sent offers’ for Zouma this summer and he would not have ‘looked unfavourably’ on ‘starting a new cycle’ at either club.

However, these approaches were rejected by Chelsea, who made it clear they wanted ‘nearly €45m’ if they were to sanction a sale.

That presumably never happened given he ended up staying, and it’s ended up working in everyone’s favour, with Zouma establishing himself with Chelsea instead.

It’s not surprising to see both of these clubs linked, though.

Everton remain admirers after Zouma’s loan spell there under Marco Silva, and Mourinho actually signed Zouma for Chelsea back in 2014.

There’s an established relationship with both clubs, but given they got the centre backs they needed from the Championship instead – in Ben Godfrey and Joe Rodon – it would be surprising to see this rumour come back again.

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New contract it seems. Well deserved. He really won me over in the last 12 months.

Unlike him, Chris and Rudi should be sold. Next summer is the last chance to cash in with both having contracts expiring in 2022. 

Silva will get +1 option so we will have him next season no doubt.

Not sure it is good for young player like Tomori to sit on the bench so maybe he should go on loan.

So for next season: Silva, Zouma, maybe Tomori and we should buy new CB or maybe even two.

Ginter is possible, we should try swap for Chris, he already played there.

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On 06/11/2020 at 0:58 PM, Jason said:

The virus may not even show up in players when the test is being done given there is an incubation period. We should be minimizing the risk of players getting the virus as much as possible (on top of not being overplayed) but here we are, trying to increase the risks.

And this is not about playing 'what ifs'. It's about taking pre-emptive measures, making pre-emptive decisions rather than only react to it when it's too late. 

The thing is, regardless of club or international football, if you have one you need to have the other. It’s unfortunately that simple. Friendlies or not.

International friendlies not being played could also be argued as why did clubs play pre season friendlies also? Yes international friendlies are a bit annoying and have been for a huge time but they allow managers to do what club managers do in pre seasons, change team line ups, try new systems etc in the run up to competitive games or tournaments.

If we start saying only play club football and not internationals, will it be long before someone turns around and says why are teams playing in the CL or Europa League as this could also increase the risk of catching COVID? Travelling for a footballer can be from a coach from London to Liverpool or a god knows how many hrs flight to Baku. Your still going to be slightly at risk either way despite all the safeguards and actions put in place because the nature of this virus is that you can catch it anywhere, its basically world wide, its not limited to one place so be it needless friendlies, competitive games in domestic leagues or European matches, it doesnt really make a difference where its played or what sort of games it is because your still just as likely to catch COVID going to play Chelsea v Brighton than you are going to play for Brazil v Argentina or something. Its not like most European teams and international teams are not taken precautions because they will understand players may be going through 3 or 4 airports to get to wherever they have to go also and ultimately they want to ensure the players they’ve picked are going to be able to play.

The likes of this Ajax, Shakhtar cases etc could of just been sheer unluckiness or could have stemmed from an incident which we seen with Tammy Abraham and Ben Chilwell having a gathering for Tammy’s birthday. All the precautions being in place is good but players need to follow them. Even then it could be a member of staff that catches it. Also you look at who these guys are at home with wives/girlfriends etc. What are their jobs? Are any of them nurses, doctors or school teachers etc? Its not necessarily just down to travelling. Then if one gets it goes to training and gives it to someone else or 7 other people, you cannot just cancel football. 

Also players will undoubtedly want to play international football, theres no bigger feat to most footballers than playing for their country. Even if they play for clubs like Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, lets not forget how big international football is to players. You’d say win a CL at club level or win a World Cup and 99/100 would say World Cup.

I can see the argument for the overplaying side of it with shorter pre seasons etc but we are in a league which is so financially profitable now because of television rights so its not exactly as the Premier League didn't bring this upon clubs. Obviously nobody overseen this virus coming but they've always fucked clubs for scheduling and it wont stop if it stands in the way of them making mega money unfortunately. 

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