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Fernando Torres

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I can't believe we paid 50M for a striker who needs the system AND squad built around him to score when 50M strikers should actually be creating chances for himself and others. People point to the lack of service, but he barely scores for Spain either. There are a lot of excuses being made for him, but there's clearly something wrong with him right now and I just hope he fixes it quickly. We need him.

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I can't believe we paid 50M for a striker who needs the system AND squad built around him to score when 50M strikers should actually be creating chances for himself and others. People point to the lack of service, but he barely scores for Spain either. There are a lot of excuses being made for him, but there's clearly something wrong with him right now and I just hope he fixes it quickly. We need him.

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That is what always come to my mind. Why the hell you need a system for somebody that cost that much?

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I can't believe we paid 50M for a striker who needs the system AND squad built around him to score when 50M strikers should actually be creating chances for himself and others. People point to the lack of service, but he barely scores for Spain either. There are a lot of excuses being made for him, but there's clearly something wrong with him right now and I just hope he fixes it quickly. We need him.

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We could pay £100m for Heskey and people had still make excuses for his poor performances. . pathetic isn't it. It's no secret Man city, last season, under Mancini's guidance where overly defensive and short of creativity with a midfield trio of De Jong, Yaya toure and Barry (3 defensive MF) Yet a certain Carlos Tevez still managed to bang in bucket load of goals which earned him the golden boot. Add to that, he achieved this despite playing as a lone striker for most of the season.

Like you rightly asserted, a £50m striker should be able to create his own goals. I'm sick of all these excuses.

What happened to running at defenders, cutting inside for a shot at goal, shooting accurately from long range, chasing after every lose ball (Tevez comes to mind) and anticipating potential weakness to exploit (mata, Raul), getting into the right areas/positional awareness (all hail Raul, Nistelroy, Chicharito, inzaghi) what happened to that? What is he doing to enhance his own performance and form?, just waiting until we sign Xavi, Iniesta and Ozil? I have no sympathy for someone who's not willing to grab the bull by the horn and take some initiative.

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I think the main problem stems from the very start of his Chelsea career, the Liverpool match, he should not have played or been near the team that match, it was too much. Maybe if we had Liverpool in April, May after he has been with us a few months and scored a few times but it was that match that killed his confidence IMO. He was getting kicked about all game and had a shocker. Fulham away would have been the perfect time to introduce him playing him in the Pool match was criminal.

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We really screwed this situation up, didn't we?

All he needs is two games where he scores in both.

On another note, I hate to say it but we have to trim the fat and just simply get rid of some players and replace with hungry, young and dynamic players. Namely; Kalou, Anelka, Malouda, Drogba and sadly Lamps. We are too sentimental we should just let some people go, we let great players like, Zola, Gudjohnson, Flo, Robben, Wise and Makelele go, why can't we do the same for this lot?

The entire club not just the players are stagnating, I think come next year AVB will be brandishing an axe.

Maybe I'm just rambling but I think, someone like Torres needs a better environment to suceed. He needs someone to say that 'he is the best player in the world and everyone else is just fucking with him'.

Hell, we probably had a better squad in the late 90s and Early 00s than we do now.

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I agree re that match when SB was like a bear pit and the media hounding that followed only added to this and took the pressure off Liverpool who seem to have taken wing from the destruction of his career and reputation. The reality is that the problem appears to be more psychological than physical. He's always been a player who has constructed a view of himself based on loyalty and playing for the underdogs which led him to reach his mid twenties without any club trophies. Despite his claims that romance is dead in the game he doesn't seem able to recover from the deconstruction of his personal mythology. In a strange way his intelligence seems to be hindering him. The man obviously thinks too much. He needs some of Rooney's animal force and lack of reflection as these are the qualities that are of value on the pitch. If he doesn't sort it out this is going to remain a big problem for Chelsea.

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I've always thought every mananger that we had with a millionaire sign have a big pressure on him...if you paid 50 million for one player its like, "you have to use it". Anyways, i still have faith in Torres, my main reason is our midfield without creativity, how many chances can you have with our midfield? =/ Also i think he needs a boost of confidence, he need a game with 3 goals or something...

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The biggest problem with fernando is not only the 'lack of service' from our midfield. What he does not do, and indeed should be doing regardless of whether he is being passed the ball or not, is to 'MAKE SPECULATIVE RUNS'. The only reason he scored in pre-season was because he was making a speculative run, hoping to get the ball in his path, which it did, and he did score.

Many times our players manage to get forward but i always notice torres is not anywhere for a tap in, rather he is standing at the edge of the 18 yard box. That speculative run is very important and god knows why AVB etc are not telling him that. A miss hit, deflection, 'an unlikely pass' could find his foot for a tap in. Simple as that. And the Goals start coming from then on.

For me, i would love to give him as much time as possible, but i think this next(sunderland?) game will be a turning/stagnation point for nando. No drogba so he's the main man. Support from Mata and Sturridge. No excuses there. Hopefully we have modric by then. If then he doesnt score/hit post/have shots on target/trouble the keeper, then a good performance by him is not good enough. I mean come on, the lad needs to score once every 4 games in order to reach double figures for the season.

What do you guys think? I am not pessimistic or anything. I just watched both Manchester Clubs play yesterday.

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He needs to pull his head out of his loving ass and realise that playing at Chelsea is not a joke, and he is dragging the club down. I agree with what the other posters said, why do we need to build a team around a 50M man? He needs to create chances on his own aswell. I support Torres but i'm on thin ice. Dzeko realised that the EPL is no fun and games so we whipped some ass by scoring 6 goals in 3 games. Torres is a liability to the club and personally I'm going to give him 5 games to see what he can do, by then we should of brought in a playmaker.

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AVB should summon the courage to drop him to the bench and only introduce him in latter stages of games until he's able to justify being a starter.

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I can't believe we paid 50M for a striker who needs the system AND squad built around him to score when 50M strikers should actually be creating chances for himself and others. People point to the lack of service, but he barely scores for Spain either. There are a lot of excuses being made for him, but there's clearly something wrong with him right now and I just hope he fixes it quickly. We need him.

Exactly. Killamanjaro makes this point often too and it's very valid.

Building a squad around 1 player can be disastrous on it's own, let alone building it around a 27-year old who's not performing.

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Don't make excuses that it's 'the lack of service'. Have you seen him play with Spain in South-Africa? He was terrible despite being 'serviced' by Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, ..... Yes, he has no confidence, but that's going on for over 2 years. He puts pressure on coaches because he is 'worth 50m', Kaka cost 56m and he is on the bench. Come on AVB, if José can do it..

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Exactly. Killamanjaro makes this point often too and it's very valid.

Building a squad around 1 player can be disastrous on it's own, let alone building it around a 27-year old who's not performing.

Sometimes I suspect some of these Torres apologist are actually on the Spaniards payroll. The pathetic excuses has been that overwhelming.

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Sometimes I suspect some of these Torres apologist are actually on the Spaniards payroll. The pathetic excuses has been that overwhelming.

I'm glad we have 2 more strikers waiting in the background when Villas-Boas gets fed up of Torres. Lukaku & Sturridge have both shown glimpses (more so, in the latter) that they're more than ready to step up.

Torres knows this and when Torres is dropped, he'll really realise he does need to fix up. He probably thinks Mata's been signed for his cause, so now it's time for him to, personally, show it was worth it. Otherwise, Danny's more than happy to fill in.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he's proving to be an expensive flop. Not the first Chelsea striker to fall into that category though.

Malagas £20 m bid is cheeky one, and should be ignored, but times running out.....

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he's proving to be an expensive flop. Not the first Chelsea striker to fall into that category though.

Malagas £20 m bid is cheeky one, and should be ignored, but times running out.....

Yup, we're quite unlucky when it comes to these big money, forward signings. Sheva was unfortunate, because he actually was proper on form when we signed him, he just couldn't adapt. Torres was bought at a time where even his own performance hadn't been great.

I wouldn't say sell him yet though :lol:

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Don't make excuses that it's 'the lack of service'. Have you seen him play with Spain in South-Africa? He was terrible despite being 'serviced' by Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, .....

You know he had knee surgery 8 weeks before the first game right? Take it up with Del Bosque why he played Torres.

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Yup, we're quite unlucky when it comes to these big money, forward signings. Sheva was unfortunate, because he actually was proper on form when we signed him, he just couldn't adapt. Torres was bought at a time where even his own performance hadn't been great.

I wouldn't say sell him yet though :lol:

Thats true -the hype was incredible -helicopters at Anfield etc hair gel trucks at Cobham etc -yet you're right his recent performances nationally and at club were waning. Chris Suttonesque...

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