Grant Equals Mourinho Record

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

As I said i'm not denying that. But can you not see the troubled way we are now playing when trying to lock up. Please someone tell me i'm not the only one seeing the difference...

no mate it is still happening! the point i was making is that jose did it as well..........often :mellow:

regards:JBD

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

As I said i'm not denying that. But can you not see the troubled way we are now playing when trying to lock up. Please someone tell me i'm not the only one seeing the difference...

I agree with you....

The thing Jose installed was if we went 1-0 it was all hands to the pumps....defend that lead with your life. Teams knew that if we got in front they were gonna find it very very hard to penetrate us and get back into the game. Thats why so many teams played to defend against us with 11 men behind the ball........at SB.

Now teams are coming to SB and having a go at us, knowing we will give them more chances than before.

Its more a psychological thing we had over an opponent.

[warnie_666 1,081]

As I said i'm not denying that. But can you not see the troubled way we are now playing when trying to lock up. Please someone tell me i'm not the only one seeing the difference...

Get out of the Jose Hangover....!! thats all I can say....Future managers be it Grant or anyone wont play the "Score a goal shut the shop" System. You shoudlnt be caring as long as we win.

Our team last season scored soo many later winners...soo many nail biting finishes soo many heart breaking draws...and this happened consistently through out the season....I for once dont see that happening this season apart from a couple of matches here and there...inspite of not having drogba,lamps terry, essien,kalou, etc etc.

Last year..It was Drogba Droga Drogba..Had drogba been injured we wud have panicked.Thats not the case this season.

Do you all agree that last season's matches were more nervy, and nail biting than this season..?

the everton game, wigan, watford..to name a few.

then the heart breakers at Bridge against fulham and reading.

I aint a grant fan by any means..but hate to see blinkered people who care to neglect our pitfalls during Jose's stint.

Edited February 6, 2008 by warnie_666

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

Get out of the Jose Hangover....!! thats all I can say....Future managers be it Grant or anyone wont play the "Score a goal shut the shop" System. You shoudlnt be caring as long as we win.

Our team last season scored soo many later winners...soo many nail biting finishes soo many heart breaking draws...and this happened consistently through out the season....I for once dont see that happening this season apart from a couple of matches here and there...inspite of not having drogba,lamps terry, essien,kalou, etc etc.

Last year..It was Drogba Droga Drogba..Had drogba been injured we wud have panicked.Thats not the case this season.

Do you all agree that last season's matches were more nervy, and nail biting than this season..?

the everton game, wigan, watford..to name a few.

then the heart breakers at Bridge against fulham and reading.

I aint a grant fan by any means..but hate to see blinkered people who care to neglect our pitfalls during Jose's stint.

Its a thread about Jose AND Grunt.....sorry if bringing Joses way of doing things into the thread, but isnt that what its about.????

[warnie_666 1,081]

Well it is...but care to point out Jose's pitfalls too next time...

Giranfranco talks about how we won matches easily last season...so i thought i should refresh his memory.

Edited February 6, 2008 by warnie_666

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

Well it is...but care to point out Jose's pitfalls too next time...

Giranfranco talks about how we won matches easily last seasonand...so i thought i should refresh his memory.

Good for you

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

Get out of the Jose Hangover....!! thats all I can say....Future managers be it Grant or anyone wont play the "Score a goal shut the shop" System. You shoudlnt be caring as long as we win.

Our team last season scored soo many later winners...soo many nail biting finishes soo many heart breaking draws...and this happened consistently through out the season....I for once dont see that happening this season apart from a couple of matches here and there...inspite of not having drogba,lamps terry, essien,kalou, etc etc.

Last year..It was Drogba Droga Drogba..Had drogba been injured we wud have panicked.Thats not the case this season.

Do you all agree that last season's matches were more nervy, and nail biting than this season..?

the everton game, wigan, watford..to name a few.

then the heart breakers at Bridge against fulham and reading.

I aint a grant fan by any means..but hate to see blinkered people who care to neglect our pitfalls during Jose's stint.

Everton, Wigan, Watford all away games. Unimportant.

I'm talking about playing at home. Yes we had those draws but i'm talking EVERY GAME AT HOME I'VE SEEN WITH GRANT HE MAKES US PLAY LIKE WE ARE PLAYING AWAY TO FUCKING BARCA... DOES ANYONE ELSE NOT SEE THAT....

I wont make the same point again hopefully that's clear enough now.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

Everton, Wigan, Watford all away games. Unimportant.

I'm talking about playing at home. Yes we had those draws but i'm talking EVERY GAME AT HOME I'VE SEEN WITH GRANT HE MAKES US PLAY LIKE WE ARE PLAYING AWAY TO FUCKING BARCA... DOES ANYONE ELSE NOT SEE THAT....

I wont make the same point again hopefully that's clear enough now.

errrrr..........in a word mate "no".......i think its' your imagination

regards:JBD

[pluto 0]

I agree with you....

The thing Jose installed was if we went 1-0 it was all hands to the pumps....defend that lead with your life. Teams knew that if we got in front they were gonna find it very very hard to penetrate us and get back into the game. Thats why so many teams played to defend against us with 11 men behind the ball........at SB.

Now teams are coming to SB and having a go at us, knowing we will give them more chances than before.

Its more a psychological thing we had over an opponent.

I agree that it's more a psychological thing now in that I think teams believe we can be "got at" much more under Grant than under Mourinho.

I too disliked the 1-0 shut downs as it made things incredibly nerve racking - one slip and you risked disaster. That said more often than not we were so secure that the idea that this would happen was rare - that didn't help my nerves though!

Now Grant to be fair is trying to play more expansive football - well he says he is I don't see that much of an enormous sea change - but still even a small change sends signals out that you are more open (literally) to a game where the result is not almost preordained.

Under Mourinho you could almost guarantee the result was going to be a 1-0 or 2-0 victory under Avram I'm never too sure what is going to happen anymore!

Not sure if this is a good thing or not.

Any way Grant is now in charge and basically we've all got to put up with whatever is served to us just like we did under Mourinho.

Edited February 9, 2008 by pluto

[pluto 0]

You have all these headlines in the paper like "Avram as good as Jose" but that really isnt the case.

I can see from games Avram Grant is a poor tactician and he doesnt look as if he can change matches very well... I mean take reading & newcastle at home for instance, both games we won but my god... Reading 2nd half we just invited them to score against us and it was the same vs newcastle, they did score and we got lucky with Kalou's goal. Everton at home is a prime example of probably what would have happened in those games and shows we cant keep using this game plan with Avram uses more or less every home game, score then lock up. At least Jose knew how to hold onto a lead properly... And yes, I know we got the results IN THE END but we seriously need to play better than that.

I think Grant tactically plays it safe, he makes subs at the time you would expect subs to be made and often delays them far longer than we were used to under Jose who would often make subs very early on and often not like for like, they could also be multiple changes.

I'm not saying this makes Grant a bad tactician just a very normal one. He seems fairly solid and predictable but with the team he has at his disposal and against most teams this really does not matter much because you can beat these teams being with solid tactical thinking.

It's when you get to play against the likes of a Man Utd, Arsenal, Milan etc that you need to think a bit more "outside the box" on occasion.

And for me I don't think Grant has that capacity or should I say he has not shown that to me as yet.

Also I feel he relies very much on his backroom staff - far more than Mourinho ever did. He does this because he actually needs to because bottom line he is a coach plucked out of obscurity with little known rep for attacking football in Israel or making sparkling subs.

For that he needs people with experience around him to help make those decisions and I firmly believe this is where Ten Cate comes in and Clarke with his long experience of working under Mourinho.

So I would not say Grant is a poor tactician he simply is an average one who has yet to be proved at the top level.

Time will tell if he is a fast learner or if he just has great back up staff or a combination of both.

Nice to see this thread is back on track by the way!

Edited February 9, 2008 by pluto

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I think its been said before, but the only difference between Grant and Mourinho is mentality. Whereas José would shut up shop, Grant tries to play more expansively and go for a greater lead. I think this is what RA wants - not necessarilly Arsenal- or Barcelona-style football, but seeing games won by more than the odd goal. Which is happening not that often.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

I think its been said before, but the only difference between Grant and Mourinho is mentality. Whereas José would shut up shop, Grant tries to play more expansively and go for a greater lead.

Maybe he does ,but I honestly believe hes clueless as how to achieve his puppetmasters wish.

[misschief 24]

I think its been said before, but the only difference between Grant and Mourinho is mentality. Whereas José would shut up shop, Grant tries to play more expansively and go for a greater lead. I think this is what RA wants - not necessarilly Arsenal- or Barcelona-style football, but seeing games won by more than the odd goal. Which is happening not that often.

There's much more than just mentality between them, although thats probably the biggest difference. Grant might try for a more expansive game, sexier football, blah, blah, blah but he certainly dont achieve that aim. He lacks the tactical know-how to have an impact, his substitutions are borne out of desperation and the need to show he's doing something, not because he's read the game and actually knows what'll work.

As for other differences - Grant obviously lacks charisma, personality, social skills, wit, looks, etc, etc, the list is pretty endless.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I just wonder if Mourinho gets the Barca job, will RA go for Rijkaard? Is Grant keeping the manager's chair warm for him - we have Ten Cate prized from Ajax and he would be all for a reunion with Rijkaard.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

I just wonder if Mourinho gets the Barca job, will RA go for Rijkaard? Is Grant keeping the manager's chair warm for him - we have Ten Cate prized from Ajax and he would be all for a reunion with Rijkaard.

Not yet. If we lose to the Yids at Wembley, and silverware is thin on the ground, come May, the knives will be out and sharpened for Romans puppet.

JT was guest in the studio yesterday and said that when Grant took over he told the players that nothing will change from what they were doing under Mourinho, formation will stay the same. That shows that Grant does not have the knowledge and experience to manage properly at the top level and also confirms that it is in fact Steve Clarke doing the lions share of the work. We were pretty poor yesterday and Grant didn't have the ability to change it. I still believe it is the players have kept us in the hunt, not anything Grant has done.

Grant is obviously out of his depth. This is even apparrent from his body language and befuddled touchline expression. He doesn't react quick enough to the changing situation in a match. But he is obviously content to get his £4.5 million a year.

Ten Cate and Clarke take training, apparently Avram only picks the team. -and maybe that is passed down from Roman ?