🇧🇷 Ramires

[Duppy Conqueror 1,537]

would be a great signing in my eyes and obviously Carlo`s, the man who picks our team and knows what the team needs more than anyone else,so that`s all that matters to me.

i`ve supported the club too long to have man-crushes on individual players and get upset if they don`t get to play every week.....Carlo was a great midfielder who played with some of the greatest players of all time..and coached many great, world class players..i think he`s more than qualified to have better judgement of players than any of us.

[Kostas 1,468]

I think our Board of Football has a greater say in our transfers than Carlo.

Mourinho was the last manager who had the freedom to get any player he wanted.

[DYC. 7,542]

If Matic is good enough, he'll play. Simple as that. After his performance in Germany, I think a few of us would be worried at the prospect of him being our only senior midfielder after Mikel, Essien and Frank, two of whom have had BIG injury worries over the past two seasons, and the three players who covered for their injuries (Ballack, Deco, Belletti) are either gone, or likely to go.

Matic will get his opportunities regardless of Ramires. However, for me, Ramires is necessary if we are going to compete for four trophies this season. I don't think what we have in there is ready to play 65 games this season.

You forgot about Benayoun.

I agree with you about adding depth to our squad. But buying a player for 18-20 mil pounds is just too much for adding depth. You can get a player with experience (do not confuse with old) for a lower price if you want to add depth to the squad.

And if you read my earlier posts you would see that i would like a midfielder to join us but just a Ramires type of player. A playmaker is what i think we need since we don't have one (Matic is a playmaker but isn't first XI material yet).

[DYC. 7,542]

would be a great signing in my eyes and obviously Carlo`s, the man who picks our team and knows what the team needs more than anyone else,so that`s all that matters to me.

i`ve supported the club too long to have man-crushes on individual players and get upset if they don`t get to play every week.....Carlo was a great midfielder who played with some of the greatest players of all time..and coached many great, world class players..i think he`s more than qualified to have better judgement of players than any of us.

Even the best managers make/made mistakes .

For example, he let Zola leave .

[chrismada9 1,948]

Not joking. http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=216917

If that's true, I really don't want to think about what might not happen :mellow:

[Endrit 39]

For example, he let Zola leave .

And that was the best mistake he ever made

[RX8 40]

If that's true, I really don't want to think about what might not happen :mellow:

There is 2 posibilitys ... He is really with a problem or is a cover history because he is leaving and he is not gonna play agains spurs

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Don't let the ending of the season change your view on our 2009/2010 campaign. Yes we won the double in the end and thats a great achievement. But how many ups and downs did we have that season. Twice during the season PL title seemed out of reach. It was a very inconsistent season. Sometimes we looked like the best team in the world and other times we seemed hopeless.

I'm not saying that's because of our midfield but it is one of the main reasons. Many times our midfield play was horrible. They just couldn't reach the attackers or supply them incisive passes. If a opponent really pressured our midfield, our midfielders just couldn't cope with it. They just need to much time on the ball to deliver the right pass.

Think about the CL games versus Inter. We were awfull. Cambiasso almost destroyed our entire midfield on his own. By giving them very little time to make a desicion on what to do with the ball. Midfielders like Sneijder, Iniesta, Xavi, Kaka (Milan days), Van der Vaart, Xabi Alonso, Pirlo already know where they want to pass the ball before they receive the it. All very important players for their team and really make a difference when needed.

If you take a look at the last five CL winners, you'll notice they all had a great creative force(s):

Inter Milan (Sneijder)

Barcelona (Xavi, Iniesta, Messi)

Man Utd (Ronaldo, creative in a different way than the playmakers)

Milan (Pirlo, Kaka, Seedorf)

Barcelona (Deco, Ronaldinho)

That's why i think a great creative player would a fantastic addition. I hope you get what i'm saying

What? and what about... ummm... Frank Lampard?

Lampard is not a creative player? are yuo telling me that in your opinion Sneijder, Seedorf, van der vart, Xavi Alonso and some more players you have

mention are more creative than lamps? thats bollocks... lamps is one of the most best passers in the world.

20 assists in every season is not enough for you? 20 and 20 this year? beside of him, who can do that?

Lampard shuold be even on top of the list you have made their... right after Messi and Ronaldo, together with Xavi.(consider the present shape).

I always knew Franky is underrated, but i did not know that chelsea fans also not rate him has he deserve..

Edited August 3, 2010 by nadavTKL

[RX8 40]

What? and what about... ummm... Frank Lampard?

Lampard is not a creative player? are yuo telling me that in your opinion Sneijder, Seedorf, van der vart, Xavi Alonso and some more players you have

mention are more creative than lamps? thats bollocks... lamps is one of the most best passers in the world.

20 assists in every season is not enough for you? 20 and 20 this year? beside of him, who can do that?

Lampard shuold be even on top of the list you have made their... right after Messi and Ronaldo, together with Xavi.(consider the present shape).

I always knew Franky is underrated, but i did not know that chelsea fans also not rate him has he deserve..

I totaly agreed with U, FranK Lampard is creative player like Gerard is they are the same type of creative/attacking/Shotter, so as Xavi and Iniesta creative/passing/vision.... and like Ronaldinho, CR, MEssi they got all and are more Attackind creative passing and Shoter etc....

I thing I´m understando what U are trying to say... but besides Inter.... The Crack player were the difference.... Kaka, Ronaldinho, CR, Messi....

Now in the case of Inter... the diference was the coach and the Team Work, and a little of luck wish is the one thing Chelsea never had a Little extra Luck.... For example.. Remember the Gosh Goal Agains Liverpool, Remember the Gol of Ronaldinho, Remember the Refere one and another time... Remember the Penalty Shoting agains United... Iniestas Late gol... most of this thing are not Playmaker problem ...

We had a difficul Season beacause of the World Cup..... if U analise Correctly We where not the only team with problems during the Season.... Inter and Barcelona so as Twente and many other teams had a hard time winning there Leagues and Cups.... Barcelona and Inter almost lost it in the last 5 games just like us... We had a terrible Dicember... Barcelona Fail Every end of the month and Inter Fail every time they play CL.... And Barcelona had more Playmaker to rotate and Real Madrid with almost non they were very close...

For me we need a player who make the Diference In the atacking postion... The player who make a move no one is waiting... Like Messi does, Like, CR Does, Like Sneijeder does... and because We only had Lampard it just make thing easier for the other team because they know he is the play maker... That´s Why is always thing that we need Aguero he can make the Diference not Ramires... and do not Belive that i Do not want him I´ll be very happy if he join us... but he is not a playmaker or a player who make the diference... he is a Defensive Midfield and there work is to hold the Rival Playmakers...

Edited August 3, 2010 by RX8

[BlueLion. 21,491]

If that's true, I really don't want to think about what might not happen :mellow:

There's no mention of a move to Chelsea in that article I don't think, it might be word from the club about him not featuring in an upcoming match - he's 'injured' whereas he's more than likely hopefully going to be in London! Its the same as what we're doing with Deco, saying he's 'injured' when he's trying to sign for Fluminense.

[Peace. 4,352]

I think Ramires could be a good sign' for us. He seems to have a good level, and he's certainly a future really good player.

But... His price is really too much expensive ... This player is not worth more than 15M£...

For me we need a player who make the Diference In the atacking postion... The player who make a move no one is waiting... Like Messi does, Like, CR Does, Like Sneijeder does... and because We only had Lampard it just make thing easier for the other team because they know he is the play maker... That´s Why is always thing that we need Aguero he can make the Diference not Ramires... and do not Belive that i Do not want him I´ll be very happy if he join us... but he is not a playmaker or a player who make the diference... he is a Defensive Midfield and there work is to hold the Rival Playmakers...

I'm totaly agree with you. Aguero is the kind of players whose we really need. In attack, we haven't got a player who can make the difference with his dribbles. Kalou could be this player, but he is too irregular and he is not enough good. In few years, Kakuta will be this player, but for now he yet must get playing time.

Beside, an attack : Malouda - Drogba - Aguero could be awesome !

For me, we have not really need him as a titular. We've got already Obi Mikel and Essien who have the same profile. Lampard will be at the top at least one year, and we've some youngs promising like Matic and Jacob Mellis to succeed him. But I guess he could be a good substitute if we want to win the Champions' and the EPL...

[DavidEU 2,023]

Ramires will represent Chelsea next season, as Record announced in yesterday's edition, and will also go on to win more than twice the salary they earned in the Light that our newspaper has found the proposal of the English champions for the Brazilian international includes a salary of 2 million per season clean, impractical values embodied in the club.

Upon learning of the values in question, Ramires asked the SAD Benfica to take account of the funds involved and the opportunity to substantially improve the financial condition, leaving him to leave the London club. Despite the willingness of both leaders want the actual Jorge Jesus, Benfica SAD also considered to be sensitive to the appeal of the athlete and accept the proposed 22 million from Chelsea, which will allow embodied fit 17 million (11 million of English and six million of the 50 percent of the pass had already sold to an investment fund).

As Luis Filipe Vieira announced yesterday at Benfica TV, the situation is not solely Ramires club since Light has only half of the pass, giving a clear understanding that the departure of Brazilian international is a given almost finished and it is an excellent deal with a player for whom the red paid 7.5 million just a year ago. At present, the parties involved in the process finalize the details that are missing to consummate the deal, know what our newspaper, whether it will materialize in the coming hours, when Benfica will notify the Market Commission (CMVM).

Ramires has not been used by Jorge Jesus at Sunday's meeting with Aston Villa in the Algarve, and everything points to that also do not come tonight with the Spurs since yesterday abandoned his training with ankle complaints, although no was the apparent cause of the injury. In any case hardly the Brazilian international would be used as an injury could put the business at risk and also Benfica coach would not try the strategy for the Super Bowl game next Saturday against FC Porto with a player who will leave the light on any moment.

Agreement to stay only a year in the Light

When switched to cruise by Benfica, it was agreed between the parties involved in the business a kind of verbal agreement that Ramires stayed only one year in the Light The player has even reject a higher bid from FC Porto that he tried to cross into business .

The acquisition was made with strategic partnerships and reds won not only the (higher) income Brazilian player's sports as a capital gain of EUR 9.5 million in just one season.

http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Nacional/1a_liga/Benfica/interior.aspx?content_id=455330

[EskWeston 696]

Really hope this deal goes through. If we conclude our summers signings with Ramires and Neymar i would be a very happy man, but lets wait and see though.

[DavidEU 2,023]

Beltrame Wesley is the man who intends to replace Jorge Jesus Ramires, departure to Chelsea. The average is 23, plays for Santos and has physical and technical characteristics very similar to the number 8 of Benfica. The athlete trained at Vila Belmiro emblem has a release clause of € 8 million. However, know the game, the power business will make for lower values.

Looking ahead output Ramires, Jesus pointed batteries immediately to the couple's Santos and Luis Filipe Vieira asked to try to bring the athlete to the Light The business could even move in the coming hours, because the pass does not belong in the ace the whole club, which can not fight alone in your output.

Wesley's economic rights are broken into several slices, leaving the club in the higher: 35 percent. The remaining parcels are divided as follows: 20 per cent belong to the DIS group, 25 percent are in the hands of their own athletes and 20 percent is owned by businessman, Roberto de Almeida.

But red is not alone in the race for hiring the school. Recently, the Germans Werder Bremen tried to hire the player, presenting a proposal in the amount of five million euros, but this was rejected. Santos did not want to sell, saying the figure was low and that the player was crucial to the success of the team - the other owners of the pass also did not create obstacles to the decision of the emblem of Brazil.

However, Wesley did not cross their arms and expressed its willingness to embrace a new project, which would precisely through Europe. At this point, nobody takes an interest in the medium, but the truth is that his name is even on the table of the eagles.

Speaking to THE GAME, Hugo Garcia, one of the men who work with the entrepreneur Roberto de Almeida, said that was not yet formalized a proposal. "Frankly, we have not received any official statement from Benfica. We know it's a great club and any player would like to be part of his paintings, but no official approach," he said, admitting that "automatically, there are many contacts."

http://www.ojogo.pt/

This is really good news. Their president said yesterday that they would replace Ramires quickly if he went, and Ojogo who, I understand are the most credible source in Portugal, are reporting they've found this guy.

They also say:

Ramires is a small step to transfer to Chelsea, the club that recently presented a proposal for 22 million to try to recruit Benfica midfielder. At this stage, we discuss the method of payment and who assumes the obligations with the two Brazilian clubs where he graduated Ramires.

Reds tried to resist the touch of Chelsea, but the fact that 50 percent of the pass belongs to businessman Kia Joorabchian would force the club to buy him Light this percentage by an amount corresponding to half of the proposal of the blues - that is, 11 million euros. Luis Filipe Vieira, Benfica TV in an interview yesterday morning, remembered not only depend on themselves to keep Kenya in his paintings. "There is nothing yet. But [the residence of] Ramires not depend solely on us. There is a partnership and we must respect it," said the leader of the Light

Found that the GAME, the deal has not yet been realized because the reds want to receive the money all at once (or at least a good part of it) while Chelsea want to pay in phases, over several years. Furthermore, Vieira wants the rival English also assume payment of the duties of training the player to the Joinville and Cruise has the right (1.1 million)

[DavidEU 2,023]

Nothing on 'Abola', which is the final Portuguese source. Someone just told me that Radio 5 are reporting Ramires will have a medical tomorrow.

[Badboy 1,526]

r.i.p matic.

£18m!!!! ... i'd rather keep the stadium name 'stamford bridge' than sign this guy.

Both of them will be in the first team next season hopefully, they are very different players and we don't have enough midfielders. Ramires is only 1 year older than matic and he has big game experience, he can bring energy pace and tackling ability to our midfield, also he is fantastic in the air !. This transfer is very essien like, he is a raw young midfielder who like's to tackle and to get forward.

[DavidEU 2,023]

BBC.co.uk/sport yellow ticker: Benfica's £17m-rated Brazilian midfielder Ramires due at Chelsea on Wednesday for medical.

Sounds good to me.

[Badboy 1,526]

BBC.co.uk/sport yellow ticker: Benfica's £17m-rated Brazilian midfielder Ramires due at Chelsea on Wednesday for medical.

Sounds good to me.

Thursday or friday the club will announce the signing, i wonder what number he will get ?

[caesarblues 51]

Chelsea Aim To Secure £18m Ace By Wednesday Evening by Adam Davies on August 3rd, 2010

He’ll get used to this sight in no time in the Premier League.

Benfica president Luis Filipe Vieira has admitted the Portuguese champions are already planning for life without midfielder Ramires as Chelsea edged closer to a deal for the Brazil international.

Chelsea are in the final stages of a agreeing a fee of around £18million with Benfica as Carlo Ancelotti continues to put his team through their pre-season paces in Germany.

And the deal for should be signed and sealed by the time Chelsea return on Wednesday evening following their friendly against Hamburg.

Admitting Benfica were ready to do a deal with Chelsea for Ramires, Vieira said: ‘Our main aim is to keep building the team and do the right thing in sporting terms.

‘If there is a good proposal, we will do everything we can to make it work for us. We are prepared for everything and have options to fill all the positions to make sure we strengthen.’ (Daily Mail)

It seems a long time since Chelsea FC made a big money signing, but they actually spent the same amount of money as the mooted £18million on a player last year: Yuri Zhirkov. The Russian didn’t have much chance to impress last season in either of his favoured positions of left back or left midfield, due to both injury and Ashley Cole and Florent Malouda’s imperious form ahead of him. However, Ramires has a more obvious role in the side.

The departures of Michael Ballack, Juliano Belletti and Joe Cole have left a clear void in midfield. Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti believes Ramires is the man to fill it.

Ramires is a dynamic box-to-box midfielder, whose physicality and power will be ideally suited to the Barclays Premier League. At just 23, he is markedly younger than many of his future colleagues at Chelsea, and his endless stamina saw him affectionately nicknamed the Blue Kenyan while at Cruzeiro. Strong in the tackle and possessing a powerful shot, he ought to be a tremendous young signing for the Blues.

Edited August 3, 2010 by caesarblues

[DYC. 7,542]

What? and what about... ummm... Frank Lampard?

Lampard is not a creative player? are yuo telling me that in your opinion Sneijder, Seedorf, van der vart, Xavi Alonso and some more players you have

mention are more creative than lamps? thats bollocks... lamps is one of the most best passers in the world.

20 assists in every season is not enough for you? 20 and 20 this year? beside of him, who can do that?

Lampard shuold be even on top of the list you have made their... right after Messi and Ronaldo, together with Xavi.(consider the present shape).

I always knew Franky is underrated, but i did not know that chelsea fans also not rate him has he deserve..

Me underrating Lamps ? I'm probably one his biggest fans but i know and don't overrate his qualities. First of all, Frank doesn't provide 20 assists a season. 2009/2010 was the first season he racked up 20 assists in all competitions. In 2008/2009 19 assists, 2007/2008 11 assists, 2006/2007 15 assists, 2005/2006 10 assists and in 2004/2005 16 assists. So please, only state facts.

And why do people link a great amount of assists to being a great passer. Messi provides a lot of assists every season. Is he one the best passers in the world ? No. Drogba was only behind Lampard and Fabregas on the assist list in the PL last season (2009/2010). Is he one of the best passers in the world ? Nope, not by long shot. Assists say more about great link-up play and how important the player is in build-up play than the greatness of his passing.

Frank isn't one best passers in the world. You have the absolute elite passers:

Xavi

Iniesta

Fabregas

Xabi Alonso

Guti

Valéron (still a fantastic passer)

De La Pena (also still a fantastic passer)

Pirlo

Ronaldinho

David Pizarro

Totti

Liverani

Deco

Scholes

Carrick (some might disagree but his passing game is amazing)

After them you have players like Sneijder, Lampard and many others in the second category.

But getting back to what i was trying to say. I'll try to explain what i was trying to say with the creative player i think we're missing. I meant we dont have that absolute selfless player in our midfield, the ultimate teamplayer. Players who get greater satisfaction from setting up a attack and providing that incisive final ball. The glue that sticks the team together. Their importance to the team go unnoticed by many.

RX8 said: ''I thing I´m understando what U are trying to say... but besides Inter.... The Crack player were the difference.... Kaka, Ronaldinho, CR, Messi...'

All of them were vital to their team's succes, i fully agree with him. But the ultimate teamplayer in their teams i was talking about were just as important (if you ask me).

I would like to edit the list i made a bit, about the creative force(s) of the last CL winners:

2010 Inter: Sneijder (spotlight Milito)

2009 Barcelona: Xavi, Iniesta (spotlight Messi)

2008 Man Utd (we were so close ): Carrick, Scholes (spotlight Ronaldo)

2007 Milan: Pirlo, Seedorf (spotlight Kaka)

2006: Deco, Ronaldinho (spotlight Ronaldinho)

(Ronaldinho was very special case. He was the player who made difference but also a creative force together with Deco. He was that good).

All those players were just as important to their CL and/or domestic succes as the players who (eventually) got all the spotlight. About Frank, i think he belongs in the list of players who get all the spotlights. Everyone (people who know what they're talking about) knows that he and Drogba are the key players to the succeses of Chelsea. Dont forget he was only behind Ronaldinho for the Ballon d'Or (European footballer of the year) award and the FIFA World Player of the Year back in 2005. Ronaldinho was out of this world back then so that was a huge achievement.

When Frank put more focus on playmaking and made a lot less goals in the first half of the season (2009/2010), he was critisized by many. Claiming he was over the hill and losing his world-class abilities. When he put the focus on scoring goals (change of formation helped a lot) again, everyone was happy and convinced of his great quality again.

Frank can't be one of our main goal scorers and The playmaker of the team. He would have to be at two places at the same time. Frank is like Ronaldinho. A creative force but more the player who makes the difference. He is unbelievably important for our side. But we depend on him too much in midfield play. Thats why a great playmaker (the selfless player, ultimate teamplayer) would really be a great addition to our midfield. Deco wasn't fit enough and a bit over the hill. But I always thought Frank played better with Deco in midfield. He took over a lot of work Frank had to do on his own.

Hope i made my point clear .

Edited August 3, 2010 by Blue_Soldier