The Transfer Ban

[EskWeston 696]

if Gael Kakuta turns out to be the next big thing you wont be complaining.

Indeed, no-one will be slagging off Arnesen if Kakuta makes it (which i am sure he will), or if Stoch makes it, or Bruma ect... fact is we have a exceptional group of young players who are looking like making the breakthrough (which takes time).

[EskWeston 696]

i would like to see a tv interview from kakuta... see what he has to say.

Zero chance of that happening, CFC will keep him neatly wrapped in cotton wool...

[Kez 2,727]

if Gael Kakuta turns out to be the next big thing you wont be complaining.

I will because i'd rather my club not be punished than have a "next best thing player" if we wanted this player that badly he shoulda done his job properly.

If it turns out we were punished unfairly then fair enough but there's no smoke without fire

Edited September 4, 2009 by Kez

[EskWeston 696]

Does anyone honestly think that the club signed Kakuta knowing full well he was under some contract that would wind us up in trouble?

Of course they didn't, Chelsea will have done what they did believing that they had the right to.

Everyone likes a scapegoat and Frank Arnesen seems to be easy pickings. Fact it is looks like we are being punished for something that isn't even clear if we did anything wrong. And even if we DID the punishment is not in proportion to the crime.

[Kez 2,727]

Hopefully this will all be irrelevant when we appeal and it's overturned.

[Alee. 182]

Lets not criticize Arnesen before we know this was infact illegal!

Edited September 4, 2009 by ChelseaBoi

[EskWeston 696]

Why slag him off at all? We don't know who was at fault, or if anyone was at fault. Even if we did do something wrong doesn't mean that someone is at fault.

[Alee. 182]

Exactly.

Haha, im a fail, i wrote "Why slag him off", Then i thought Slag was a word for calling someone a hoe, so i edited it thinking my vocabulary was bitching with me, haha, guess it has two meanings

Edited September 4, 2009 by ChelseaBoi

[Laylabelle 9,534]

Really they're using us a wanring to other clubs..but is daft they go on about protecting young players but bit late to start!

Man U being invesitagted as well..be intresting to see how that one turns out prob be all laa dee daa

[Alee. 182]

We need to polish him up, Carletto will know exactly what to do.

[Alee. 182]

Chelsea could be allowed to sign new players in the January 2010 transfer window despite a Fifa ban.

Football'sgoverning body handed out a ban until 2011 after they found the Bluesguilty of inducing Gael Kakuta to break his contract with Lens in 2007.

But Chelsea could get a reprieve if they delay lodging any appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas).

Cas has indicated that if Chelsea take the full 21 days to appeal, their ban may be frozen while a decision is made.

"It depends on the filing date of the appeal," Cas secretary general Matthieu Reeb told BBC Sport.

"If we have an appeal within the next week, it seems realistic we will have a hearing in November and a decision in December.

"If it goes a little longer, we'd have to wait until next year but then we'd have a problem with the January transfer period.

"Sothere is a possibility of Chelsea requesting a stay of the Fifadecision so it is frozen until the final decision of Cas is rendered.

"Thismeans the enforcement of the Fifa decision would not be immediate. Itcould be postponed and then if the sanction was finally confirmed byCas, the suspension would be postponed to the next transfer window."

Asit stands, Chelsea are barred from registering any new players,nationally, or internationally, during the January or summer 2010transfer windows.

The Blues have already confirmed that they will launch the"strongest possible appeal" and they have 21 days to do so from whenthey receive Fifa's full decision.

The Cas decision can be appealed only before the Swiss Supreme Court.

ManchesterUnited could also face an investigation after it emerged that anotherFrench club, Le Havre, are going to ask Fifa to look into Paul Pogba'smove to Old Trafford last month.

Fifa say they are yet to receive any complaint over the transfer of the 16-year-old midfielder.

Unitedtold BBC Sport last month that Le Havre's accusations that they hadstolen the French youngster were "complete nonsense".

A Frenchfootball agent, who wishes to remain anonymous for professionalreasons, told BBC Sport: "If Lens or Le Havre were legally able to signthe two players to contracts they would definitely have done italready.

"But French law prevents players from signing contracts if they under 16 and haven't achieved the requisite level at school.

"Theclubs can make agreements with these players that say they will givethem a contract when they have attained the right educationalqualification of turned 16.

"It is a pre-contract. It is calledan 'accord de norm sollicitation' in French. It is a written agreementbetween club and player.

"That is what Kakuta and Pogba had.Fifa is clearly now saying these accords are as good as contracts,while Chelsea and Manchester United are saying they are not."

Fifapunished Switzerland's FC Sion for a similar offence to Chelsea's inApril and the club was told it could not sign players until the 2010off-season.

Sion have appealed to Cas, which has frozen thesanctions while it considers the case, allowing the club to tradebefore the current season began. A ruling is expected later this year.

Italianclub Roma were banned from signing players for two transfer windows in2004, over their move for Auxerre's Philippe Mexes, after they appealedto Cas and their suspension was reduced to one window.

The arbitration panel will be made up by one judge selected by Chelsea, one by Lens and the chairman will be from Cas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/Chelsea/8239141.stm

[bombayblue™ 55]

Zero chance of that happening, CFC will keep him neatly wrapped in cotton wool...

And thats how things should be done.. Poor guy he'll even get stick at the reserve and youth games now..

[warnie_666 1,081]

Firstly they are applying a similar punishment to a 15 year old breaking what are told is a "pre contract agreement" to a Professional player breaking a pro contract.

A French Player can Turn Pro at 16 in Italy its 18 hence Man Utd could get away with the Macheda case.. According to Lens Kakuta signed a pre Contract to be a pro at 16 (Precisely the time when we "poached" him) which was rubber stamped by the French Football Fed. Plus Chelsea played him in the reserves before Kakuta could get an International Clearance.

Edited September 4, 2009 by warnie_666

[warnie_666 1,081]

Really they're using us a wanring to other clubs..but is daft they go on about protecting young players but bit late to start!

Man U being invesitagted as well..be intresting to see how that one turns out prob be all laa dee daa

Man Utd could get away with a lighter Ban or a Fine. As Pogba's contract at that time still needed approval by the French Football Federation. Plus Man Utd havent registered Pogba with them as yet as he is still to get the international clearance and probably they wont register him now untill the dust settles down. Whereas we played Kakuta without an international clearance and in our case Kakuta contract was approved by French Football Fed.

Wont be surprised to see Man Utd escape with a lighter Ban.

Edited September 4, 2009 by warnie_666

[warnie_666 1,081]

Why slag him off at all? We don't know who was at fault, or if anyone was at fault. Even if we did do something wrong doesn't mean that someone is at fault.

His style of working has brought a bad name to the club.

John Obi Mikel, Ashley Cole, Kakuta, Michael Woods and two other youngsters from Leeds, plus he was accused of offerring 150K to a Middleboro youngster over three years to play for Chelsea.

I think its time we Kick him out as this isnt the first time and this has to be the final nail in his coffin.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Lol news papers are blaming kakuta lol " the kid thats cost Chelsea the prem"

Shame, we'll just have to do a lap of honour on zimmer-frames after beating our rivals into submission.

[Alee. 182]

Haha, i was saying to Steve on Facebook, i would love to see Sepp Blatter put a medal around Kakuta's neck in the CL Final

[Term-X 7,891]

some people will always have the same opinion of Chelsea so why does it matter

if we win a big trophy this season, all will be forgotten.

[Term-X 7,891]

Haha, i was saying to Steve on Facebook, i would love to see Sepp Blatter put a medal around Kakuta's neck in the CL Final

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[the wes 7,212]

Chelseaface a second legal threat over allegations of poaching young players,this time concerning the move of an 11-year-old to Stamford Bridge.ASPTT Marseille, the French club who saw Jérémy Boga switch to westLondon last October, are consulting lawyers over whether to make afresh complaint to Fifa.

FollowingFifa's imposition of a transfer ban until January 2011 over Chelsea'sillegal recruitment of the teenage forward Gaël Kakuta from Lens, ASPTTMarseille will take legal advice on Tuesday to discuss the case ofBoga, who had spent five years with the amateur team.

RobertCaturégli, the chairman of the Marseille club's football division,claims Chelsea pushed through the transfer by arranging accommodationand a car for the player's parents.

Caturégli alleges that Lyon,Marseille and Bordeaux took an interest in Boga's development but thatthe youngster's father, who had previously split from his wife andmoved to London, made contact with English clubs about the possibletransfer.

Chelsea are understood to have been told that the childalready intended to move to London to live with his father, who wassaid to be living within Chelsea's catchment area. The club do notconsider they have broken any rules over the move. Since Boga was underthe age of 12 there was no requirement for the club to seekinternational clearance.

"The player is so gifted the threebiggest clubs in France wanted him," said Caturégli. "But Chelsea founda solution of taking the whole family: the mum, the two brothers and tokeep them in a house in Wimbledon. The mum has a car to take the kidsto school and to training or whatever. He was in our Under-12s team andwe're just a youth development club. He didn't have a contract so wefelt we couldn't go to Fifa.

"But if the family were getting backtogether they could have done so at Marseille and the boy has beentaken to England at a very young age. It's sure that Chelsea didn'treunite the family for sentimental reasons. We're prisoners of thesebig clubs who purloin our players. Chelsea did not give us even onesingle football."

ASPTT will ask lawyers whether thecircumstances of the move are in contravention of Fifa's Article 19,governing international transfers involving minors. That states:"International transfers of players are only permitted if the player isover the age of 18," adding that a child may only register with aforeign club if "the player's parents move to the country in which thenew club is located for reasons not linked to football".

Chelsea,who are appealing against Fifa's Kakuta ruling, refused to comment.However, if Caturégli's claims are true, he would have the sympathy ofUefa's president, Michel Platini, who is a Fifa vice-president. "Whenyou uproot [a child] from their home environment, when you make thememotionally disorientated, I call that child trafficking," said Platiniin a speech to the European parliament in February.

Chelsea havelong insisted that their policy for youth player recruitment is basedaround London, in accordance with Football Association regulations.Setting out his role as "a headhunter around the world" at a Leaders inFootball conference last year, Chelsea's head of player recruitment,Frank Arnesen, explained self-imposed age limits on overseasacquisitions.

"London is our first aim for seven to12-year-olds," said Arnesen. "At 12-14 we go a little bit further butstill London, for 14-16 it's around the UK and at 16-18 it's theEuropean Union. At 18-plus, it's the rest of the world."

Chelsea'scaptain, John Terry, yesterday spoke of his "shock" at the Fifadecision over Kakuta. "It was a big shock to me," said the Englandcaptain. "But the club have reiterated that I can't speak about it asthey are appealing very strongly."

www.guardian.co.uk