The Transfer Ban

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

Heres something to wet your appetite.....

Le Harve furious

Le Harve reacted on Friday with a long and virulent official statement against Manchester United regarding the recruitment of Paul Pogba, the captain of their under 16's. The Normandy club, relegated to Ligue 2, ensures that a non-solicitation agreement was signed in Autumn 2006 between the player and his parents, which would enable Pogba to sign a professional contract, "once the player had become of age and completed the educational criteria required by law." The professional contract was to begin in the 2009-2010 season.

But, "Manchester United had offered great sums of money to the parents with the goal of obtaining a transfer of their child to the English club, " announced Le Havre. "At the moment when numerous voices, including levels of government, the European Union, UEFA and FIFA are protesting against the drafting in of young players, Manchester United does not hesitate to uproot a 16 year old. HAC recalls that a few weeks ago these same leaders [Ferguson], claimed to give lessons of morality on the sums spent by certain clubs during the beginning of the transfer market, yet today have found time to plunder Le Havre and French football of one of its best young talents."

Watcha gonna do Mr Blatter ?

[Shane 2,275]

I think they'll abandon the Champions League final this year when we go 2-0 up.

[Drogba11CFC 108]

Why a ban when you can simply take o=more of our money Mr Blatter? Banned from the brothel by any chance?

[warnie_666 1,081]

Its being described as tapping up by the BBC and French media. Anyway its the same thing.

There is a chink of light in the fact that the club Sirius? did the same with an Egyptian keeper, FIFA handed them a new signing ban, and the Court of Arbitration, (highest sport court) has suspended FIFAs decision.

The football authorities seem to be chucking their weight around at the moment, Eduardo, hoolaganism panics, and now this. They should be doing something positive for the fans , instead of just being attention seeking control freaks.

FB, I think you are talking about the FC Sion. The ban hasnt been revoked. The Ban has been suspended till the Court of Arbitration takes a decision which allowed them to buy players this summer.

Chelsea will appeal for the ban to be annulled till the decision is made by the CoA which will allow Chelsea to possible gor for Aguero or Ribery irrespective of whether they are cup tied or NOT.

[warnie_666 1,081]

<h1 class="heading">Manchester United could face similar transfer ban to Chelsea</h1> Matt Dickinson, Chief Sports Correspondent

Recommend? <div id="region-column1-layout2"> <div id="related-article-links">Manchester United could be the second of the Barclays Premier League's “big four” to be hit by a transfer ban after Le Havre confirmed yesterday that they are pursuing a “very similar” case to that won by Lens against Chelsea.

Alain Belsoeur, the managing director of Le Havre, told The Times that the outcome of the Chelsea hearing was “very important and very encouraging” as they seek Fifa sanctions against United for allegedly “stealing” Paul Pogba, the teenage prodigy.

Le Havre insist that Pogba was under contract to them when he left for United this summer. They claim to have a pre-contract agreement signed by the player - and witnessed by his parents - in November 2006 that committed him to a professional contract from his 16th birthday, in March. Instead, the player allegedly walked away and turned up at Old Trafford.

The French club claim to have evidence that inducements were offered to Pogba's parents and say that details will be included in their submission to Fifa.

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<ul class="chevron-list chevron-blue"><li> United have strenuously denied that they made any payments or have done anything against the rules. “It is complete nonsense,” a spokesman said. “Everything has been done within Uefa guidelines.”

Nevertheless, Fifa has yet to grant international clearance for Pogba to represent United and, with the French federation supporting Le Havre, it appears certain that the case will go before the world governing body.

“Of course we are still pursuing our case,” Belsoeur said. “It is a very serious case. We are confident that we'll win because it is in the best interests not just of our club but of sport.

“We spend €5million [about £4.3million] on our academy every year out of a turnover of €12million. It is a huge investment. We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others. What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from Fifa to protect the education system.”

Le Havre, from Ligue 2, have a history of developing teenage talent and also of litigation against English clubs. They were engaged in a legal battle with Newcastle United over Charles N'Zogbia that lasted more than three years.

Le Havre insisted that N'Zogbia had breached his contract and were initially awarded €300,000 in compensation by Fifa. They appealed and in 2007 the Court of Arbitration for Sport insisted that N'Zogbia should pay £440,000 and Newcastle £200,000. “It took 3 years and we received about a quarter of what Newcastle received from Wigan when they sold the player,” Belsoeur said. He described Newcastle at the time as “predators”.

In the case of Pogba, Le Havre signed him at 13 from a small club in Paris. They had high hopes for the defensive midfield player, who has captained France Under-16s. But they heard rumours in May that United were interested.

They claim that they rang Old Trafford to explain that Pogba was under contract and say that they spoke directly to Brian McClair, United's academy director.

United went ahead with signing Pogba as a scholar and, according to Belsoeur, offered him a deal worth £3,500 a week as soon as he turns 17, the age at which players in England can sign full professional contracts.

Belsoeur said that many clubs in Europe would be delighted at the punishment against Chelsea because they were fed up with rich Premier League clubs poaching the best young talent. “We are not the only club who have had players stolen,” Belsoeur said.

“The reputation of British clubs is that they don't produce many players for their national team but take them away from foreign countries. We hope this [Fifa's ruling] will change the behaviour of English clubs, but we will have to see.”

[Shane 2,275]

We know have an excuse, But we don't a need an excuse.

What I'm worried about is if a player like Drogba or Lampard says, Give me 500,000 a week or i'll leave, We can't replace them for a while can we? Carlo has a big job in keeping the players together, Make sure there's no splits, etc.

This is also a chance to balance the books as no major money will be leaving the club.

[anathemadelight 1]

Here are some lawyer's opinions from the Times.

Any Chelsea appeal against the Fifa sanction banning them from registering new players during the next two transfer windows is likely to be fast-tracked through the system, a leading lawyer has warned.

It would render useless possible attempts by the West London club to delay the process, having the ban "frozen" by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) and thereby enabling them to buy players in January and perhaps during the summer as well.

"There is a real possibility that this case will be dealt with before Christmas, before the next transfer window," Adam Morallee, a partner with Mishcon de Reya, the law firm, said yesterday. "It would not be a suprise for it to be heard before then."

Chelsea could pursue the avenue taken by Sion. In a similar dispute, ruled on by Fifa in May, the Swiss club were also embargoed for two transfer windows. However, they appealed and had their ban temporarily suspended by CAS as it deliberated. The judgement is not expected until November, which allowed Sion to buy players this summer.

Should Chelsea take the same route, they would then be free to play the transfer market from January 1. This, though, could have implications should a player bought in that period make a meaningful contribution. If Chelsea's ban was subsequently upheld by CAS, aggrieved parties could claim that the signing of the new player was illegal.

"That could open up a whole new can of worms," Morallee said. "What if you buy a player in that window, he goes on to score vital goals in, say, the Champions League, and then Chelsea's punishment is ratified by CAS. You could have a Carlos Tevez affair to the power of 25 million."

Stephen Hornsby, partner and specialist sport lawyer at Davenport Lyons, believes that Chelsea should take the risk. "In lodging their appeal against the Fifa sanction, Chelsea are bound to follow the FC Sion route," Hornsby said. "Their chances of success in having immediate implementation of the sanction suspended will be very high.

"I think Chelsea will be able to look forward to many more months dealing in the transfer market before Fifa’s punishment actually comes into effect. In this interim period, they will be able to stockpile players with a view to covering themselves in the period of suspension that would follow an unsuccessful appeal."

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[Kez 2,727]

Heres something to wet your appetite.....

Watcha gonna do Mr Blatter ?

Fuck all cause its united most probably.

[JT26 0]

Not the end of the world. We just have to have faith in what weve got. No player will be allowed to leave now which is a plus. It will only reallly hit us next season i feel as i dont think we would of bought in january. Our squad is strong enough. Plus we can take sinclair di santo stoch and the rest back from loan

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

What I find amusing is that as soon as this report was published, all Chelsea haters (99.99% other football supporters) started saying their usual crap like

''they deserve it''

''I'm glad they are ruining football''

''what goes around comes around''

''shit team, shit history, I hope they go to League 2''

and act as if though Chelsea is the only club that does bad things (I'm pretty sure they are all closet Manchester United supporters at least).

Then if we win with are appeal, the whole football community wll start moaning, call FIFA spineless and say we are always lucky with everything (must be closet Liverpool supporters). I bet if West Ham get punished with a huge fine, kicked out of League Cup and Fa Cup and get points docked off because of the Millwall game, everyone would start to defend them, but if it happened to Chelsea, everyone would just feel happy.

I am pretty sure we are the most hated football club in the world.

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

''what goes around comes around''

This is the best of the lot of them.......

It will indeed come around. Manu, Arsenal, Real, Barca, etc.....If lesser clubs feel victimised, FIFA will have to act if they want to play hardball with the big boys. If they dont act then we would have a case for discrimination.

Play the fuckers at their own game.

[Term-X 7,891]

we are the most hated club in world football.

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

Hmmmmmm.....

If we've crossed the line then we cant really complain. FIFA are just applying the rules.

If this is the case then they must analise every "dodgy" new signing and apply the rules straight across the board. If they want to make an example of us thats fair enough, but to single us out and not apply the same rules to others who have used similar methods in bringing players to their clubs, would be bordering on discrimination.

I await other clubs dealings to be thoroughly disected to make this a level playing field.

The mentions of Man City pursuing of Lescott doesn't fall into this bracket if I'm reading it correctly. Lescott didnt ask for his contract to be terminated then go elsewhere. He asked for a transfer which is totaly different imo. Yes you could say it is "tapping up" but thats a different kettle of fish altogether.

If the appeal is successful then we can move on and put it behind us. Lesson learnt. If not then we must pull together and get right behind the club vocally and show them we shall not be battered into submission. We will show what we're made of by winning the title and hopefully the CL and blank Platini on that podium when we collect our winners medals.

Chelsea till I die. :thumbsup:

[Jessman 9]

Fifa make me sick to my fucking stomach, so corrupt and it always seems to happen to Chelsea.

Doesn't matter lads, we can still win this, I got all faith in them.

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

To be fair.....the rules are there in black and white in another thread. We didnt follow them and have been punished accordingly.

If you want to blame Baltter, Platini, etc...by all means go for it, but we should be looking closer to home imo. Either those who make these decsions within the club dont know the rules or they totally disreguarded them. Imo, these people should be spoken to buy the clubs hierarchy and asked to explain their actions.

If the decision was made knowingly from those at the top then they've only themselves to blame.