The Transfer Ban

[TGS 7]

This is such a load of bollocks....Man United have been reported for tapping up a 15 year old French kid THIS transfer window...What happens to them...Fuck all....This is just a vendetta against Chelsea. Just like Uefa, FIFA dont like the fact that Chelsea were taken over by a rich owner and became successfull in a short period of time...Uefa are always being wankers to Chelsea. And this is also a vendetta against English clubs, because Eduardo has been banned for 2 games for diving....Whens the last time players got banned for diving..It happens. Its total shit. Butttt...My dad told me Roma got punished for this a couple of years ago, appealed and it got reduced to just ONE transfer window. So we can only hope for the same. Kakuta is one of our best young players aswell, and how he has become useless for around 4 months. OH DEAR.

100% Agree with you... Roman will help us I trust in Abramovich

[TGS 7]

Delete this plz...

Edited September 3, 2009 by TGS

[Macedonia 0]

i just still cant belive... 

[Laylabelle 9,351]

Bleh Romas Roma we're Chelsea..cant see it.Hoping they'll realise how harsh and stupid they're being but doubt it

[Fulham Broadway 16,849]

It's not tapping up that is the issue, it is breach of contract. Firstly i would like to know what sort of contract Kakuta could possibly have had at 15 years old...... there is no way he could have signed a pro contract. So how can FIFA dish out the same punishment as to what they gave out for a breach of a pro contract. And what "proof" is there that we intentionally coherced Kakuta to break whatever contract it was he had?

Also what happens when come next summer we want to register our next batch of youngsters and give them pro contracts? We won't be able to do it.... it could mean we end up losing a host of talented youngsters to other clubs next summer....

Its being described as tapping up by the BBC and French media. Anyway its the same thing.

There is a chink of light in the fact that the club Sirius? did the same with an Egyptian keeper, FIFA handed them a new signing ban, and the Court of Arbitration, (highest sport court) has suspended FIFAs decision.

The football authorities seem to be chucking their weight around at the moment, Eduardo, hoolaganism panics, and now this. They should be doing something positive for the fans , instead of just being attention seeking control freaks.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

They do something unexpected like reduce our match bans then do something also completly unexpected and crazy like ban one guy for diving and letting the rest go and us for this with a daft punishment

And yeh exactly!!Like sort out the whole goal line situation rather then punish the manager who moans about it and all.Like said doing stuff for the fans rather stuff that majorly piss them off

[the wes 7,212]

UEFA stop us from wining the champion league now FIFA are trying to stop us from wining the premier league

[thejolta 1]

This doesn't look good. Apparently this was a preset rule (the 2 window ban).

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/66/98/97/statusandtransfer_en_2505.pdf

3. In addition to the obligation to pay compensation, sporting sanctions shall

also be imposed on any player found to be in breach of contract during the

protected period. This sanction shall be a four-month restriction on playing in

offi cial matches. In the case of aggravating circumstances, the restriction shall

last six months. In all cases, these sporting sanctions shall take effect from

the start of the following season at the new club. Unilateral breach without

just cause or sporting just cause after the protected period shall not result in

sporting sanctions. Disciplinary measures may, however, be imposed outside

the protected period for failure to give notice of termination within 15 days of

the last offi cial match of the season (including national cups) of the club with

which the player is registered. The protected period starts again when, while

renewing the contract, the duration of the previous contract is extended.

16 IV. MAINTENANCE OF CONTRACTUAL STABILITY BETWEEN PROFESIONALS AND CLUBS

4. In addition to the obligation to pay compensation, sporting sanctions

shall be imposed on any club found to be in breach of contract or found

to be inducing a breach of contract during the protected period. It shall

be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that any club signing a

professional who has terminated his contract without just cause has induced

that professional to commit a breach. The club shall be banned from registering

any new players, either nationally or internationally, for two registration

periods.

[Matterz 67]

I find it very strange that we get penalized so harshly for trying to sign a 15 year old unknown, however Fifa seem to think that Real Madrids efforts to sign Ronaldo last season are acceptable. It reaaly boggles my mind, especially seeing as clubs like Man Utd have been doing it for years. But once again I have to applaud a footballing governing body for being completely biased and incompetant.

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

Heres something to wet your appetite.....

Le Harve furious

Le Harve reacted on Friday with a long and virulent official statement against Manchester United regarding the recruitment of Paul Pogba, the captain of their under 16's. The Normandy club, relegated to Ligue 2, ensures that a non-solicitation agreement was signed in Autumn 2006 between the player and his parents, which would enable Pogba to sign a professional contract, "once the player had become of age and completed the educational criteria required by law." The professional contract was to begin in the 2009-2010 season.

But, "Manchester United had offered great sums of money to the parents with the goal of obtaining a transfer of their child to the English club, " announced Le Havre. "At the moment when numerous voices, including levels of government, the European Union, UEFA and FIFA are protesting against the drafting in of young players, Manchester United does not hesitate to uproot a 16 year old. HAC recalls that a few weeks ago these same leaders [Ferguson], claimed to give lessons of morality on the sums spent by certain clubs during the beginning of the transfer market, yet today have found time to plunder Le Havre and French football of one of its best young talents."

Watcha gonna do Mr Blatter ?

[Shane 2,275]

I think they'll abandon the Champions League final this year when we go 2-0 up.

[Drogba11CFC 108]

Why a ban when you can simply take o=more of our money Mr Blatter? Banned from the brothel by any chance?

[warnie_666 1,081]

Its being described as tapping up by the BBC and French media. Anyway its the same thing.

There is a chink of light in the fact that the club Sirius? did the same with an Egyptian keeper, FIFA handed them a new signing ban, and the Court of Arbitration, (highest sport court) has suspended FIFAs decision.

The football authorities seem to be chucking their weight around at the moment, Eduardo, hoolaganism panics, and now this. They should be doing something positive for the fans , instead of just being attention seeking control freaks.

FB, I think you are talking about the FC Sion. The ban hasnt been revoked. The Ban has been suspended till the Court of Arbitration takes a decision which allowed them to buy players this summer.

Chelsea will appeal for the ban to be annulled till the decision is made by the CoA which will allow Chelsea to possible gor for Aguero or Ribery irrespective of whether they are cup tied or NOT.

[warnie_666 1,081]

<h1 class="heading">Manchester United could face similar transfer ban to Chelsea</h1> Matt Dickinson, Chief Sports Correspondent

Recommend? <div id="region-column1-layout2"> <div id="related-article-links">Manchester United could be the second of the Barclays Premier League's “big four” to be hit by a transfer ban after Le Havre confirmed yesterday that they are pursuing a “very similar” case to that won by Lens against Chelsea.

Alain Belsoeur, the managing director of Le Havre, told The Times that the outcome of the Chelsea hearing was “very important and very encouraging” as they seek Fifa sanctions against United for allegedly “stealing” Paul Pogba, the teenage prodigy.

Le Havre insist that Pogba was under contract to them when he left for United this summer. They claim to have a pre-contract agreement signed by the player - and witnessed by his parents - in November 2006 that committed him to a professional contract from his 16th birthday, in March. Instead, the player allegedly walked away and turned up at Old Trafford.

The French club claim to have evidence that inducements were offered to Pogba's parents and say that details will be included in their submission to Fifa.

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<ul class="chevron-list chevron-blue"><li> United have strenuously denied that they made any payments or have done anything against the rules. “It is complete nonsense,” a spokesman said. “Everything has been done within Uefa guidelines.”

Nevertheless, Fifa has yet to grant international clearance for Pogba to represent United and, with the French federation supporting Le Havre, it appears certain that the case will go before the world governing body.

“Of course we are still pursuing our case,” Belsoeur said. “It is a very serious case. We are confident that we'll win because it is in the best interests not just of our club but of sport.

“We spend €5million [about £4.3million] on our academy every year out of a turnover of €12million. It is a huge investment. We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others. What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from Fifa to protect the education system.”

Le Havre, from Ligue 2, have a history of developing teenage talent and also of litigation against English clubs. They were engaged in a legal battle with Newcastle United over Charles N'Zogbia that lasted more than three years.

Le Havre insisted that N'Zogbia had breached his contract and were initially awarded €300,000 in compensation by Fifa. They appealed and in 2007 the Court of Arbitration for Sport insisted that N'Zogbia should pay £440,000 and Newcastle £200,000. “It took 3 years and we received about a quarter of what Newcastle received from Wigan when they sold the player,” Belsoeur said. He described Newcastle at the time as “predators”.

In the case of Pogba, Le Havre signed him at 13 from a small club in Paris. They had high hopes for the defensive midfield player, who has captained France Under-16s. But they heard rumours in May that United were interested.

They claim that they rang Old Trafford to explain that Pogba was under contract and say that they spoke directly to Brian McClair, United's academy director.

United went ahead with signing Pogba as a scholar and, according to Belsoeur, offered him a deal worth £3,500 a week as soon as he turns 17, the age at which players in England can sign full professional contracts.

Belsoeur said that many clubs in Europe would be delighted at the punishment against Chelsea because they were fed up with rich Premier League clubs poaching the best young talent. “We are not the only club who have had players stolen,” Belsoeur said.

“The reputation of British clubs is that they don't produce many players for their national team but take them away from foreign countries. We hope this [Fifa's ruling] will change the behaviour of English clubs, but we will have to see.”

[Shane 2,275]

We know have an excuse, But we don't a need an excuse.

What I'm worried about is if a player like Drogba or Lampard says, Give me 500,000 a week or i'll leave, We can't replace them for a while can we? Carlo has a big job in keeping the players together, Make sure there's no splits, etc.

This is also a chance to balance the books as no major money will be leaving the club.

[anathemadelight 1]

Here are some lawyer's opinions from the Times.

Any Chelsea appeal against the Fifa sanction banning them from registering new players during the next two transfer windows is likely to be fast-tracked through the system, a leading lawyer has warned.

It would render useless possible attempts by the West London club to delay the process, having the ban "frozen" by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) and thereby enabling them to buy players in January and perhaps during the summer as well.

"There is a real possibility that this case will be dealt with before Christmas, before the next transfer window," Adam Morallee, a partner with Mishcon de Reya, the law firm, said yesterday. "It would not be a suprise for it to be heard before then."

Chelsea could pursue the avenue taken by Sion. In a similar dispute, ruled on by Fifa in May, the Swiss club were also embargoed for two transfer windows. However, they appealed and had their ban temporarily suspended by CAS as it deliberated. The judgement is not expected until November, which allowed Sion to buy players this summer.

Should Chelsea take the same route, they would then be free to play the transfer market from January 1. This, though, could have implications should a player bought in that period make a meaningful contribution. If Chelsea's ban was subsequently upheld by CAS, aggrieved parties could claim that the signing of the new player was illegal.

"That could open up a whole new can of worms," Morallee said. "What if you buy a player in that window, he goes on to score vital goals in, say, the Champions League, and then Chelsea's punishment is ratified by CAS. You could have a Carlos Tevez affair to the power of 25 million."

Stephen Hornsby, partner and specialist sport lawyer at Davenport Lyons, believes that Chelsea should take the risk. "In lodging their appeal against the Fifa sanction, Chelsea are bound to follow the FC Sion route," Hornsby said. "Their chances of success in having immediate implementation of the sanction suspended will be very high.

"I think Chelsea will be able to look forward to many more months dealing in the transfer market before Fifa’s punishment actually comes into effect. In this interim period, they will be able to stockpile players with a view to covering themselves in the period of suspension that would follow an unsuccessful appeal."

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[Kez 2,727]

Heres something to wet your appetite.....

Watcha gonna do Mr Blatter ?

Fuck all cause its united most probably.

[JT26 0]

Not the end of the world. We just have to have faith in what weve got. No player will be allowed to leave now which is a plus. It will only reallly hit us next season i feel as i dont think we would of bought in january. Our squad is strong enough. Plus we can take sinclair di santo stoch and the rest back from loan