Aston Villa vs Chelsea

[Fulham Broadway 17,016]

How is it actually possible to spend a billion and end up with Jorgensen and Sanchez as your keepers and no backup for Jackson? Winstanley and Stewart are the two worst sporting directors in the history of football 

[kolovrat 17]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Last chance. Show they were all suicides in the POLITICS thread

Got it you have no proof, so now you want to run off to Politics thread.

[Blue Armour 4,349]

1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

How is it actually possible to spend a billion and end up with Jorgensen and Sanchez as your keepers and no backup for Jackson? Winstanley and Stewart are the two worst sporting directors in the history of football 

In the past window they successfully killed any remaining depth that our squad had.

Moving out players without bringing anyone of note into the squad.

[Fulham Broadway 17,016]

1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

In the past window they successfully killed any remaining depth that our squad had.

Moving out players without bringing anyone of note into the squad.

Its incredible. Scouts at Brighton, then given carte blanche over all transfers at Chelsea

[Bluepower777 17]

Wow feeling suicidal this morning,  2 huge mistakes and that's the end of our CL hopes although they were always vague.. As mentioned our keepers are to blame but the forwards had easy chances particularly Palmer and no proper striker plus dodgy defenders all add up to it. 

[Beigl 1,387]

All things considered our performance in the first half was pretty good, we dominated the game. Was probably our best performance in weeks (which isn´t saying much, but still). Again we succumbed to the pressure of our opponents in the second half, leading to two individual errors.

Gusto has still time on his side, but he has to sort his defensive weaknesses out in order to make it here in the long-term. That being said, he was pretty good in 23/24. 

[Laylabelle 9,422]

12 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Bottom line what do us as fans want ? 

When it was done the Russian way, regular sackings, it was initially a shock. The equivalent of Putin disappearing people out of windows. But we soon got over it, we were dripping in silverware, titles and success. 

Except this time we're not and don't think the club can now attract people who can win the silverware anymore hence who we've ended up with. And we will just move onto the next manager who be someone equally as random and then onto the next and so forth. Unless they can really really sell it to someone who would risk coming here especially if they're at a club doing well.

 

[Vesper 29,278]

8 hours ago, kolovrat said:

So you admit no source

@Fulham Broadway gave you well over one hundred sources/subsources

to overtly deny there is defenestration going on in Putin's Russia is clear proof that you are a bad faith poster

 

 

Sudden Russian Death Syndrome

It’s not a great time to be an oligarch who’s unenthusiastic about Putin’s war in Ukraine.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/russian-tycoon-pavel-antov-dies-putin-ukraine/672601/

December 29, 2022

Here is a list of people you should not currently want to be: a Russian sausage tycoon, a Russian gas-industry executive, the editor in chief of a Russian tabloid, a Russian shipyard director, the head of a Russian ski resort, a Russian aviation official, or a Russian rail magnate. Anyone answering to such a description probably ought not stand near open windows, in almost any country, on almost every continent.

Over the weekend, Pavel Antov, the aforementioned sausage executive, a man who had reportedly expressed a dangerous lack of enthusiasm for Vladimir Putin’s war against Ukraine, was found dead at a hotel in India, just two days after one of his Russian travel companions died at the same hotel. Antov was reported to have fallen to his death from a hotel window. The meat millionaire and his also-deceased friend are the most recent additions to a macabre list of people who have succumbed to Sudden Russian Death Syndrome, a phenomenon that has claimed the lives of a flabbergastingly large number of businessmen, bureaucrats, oligarchs, and journalists. The catalog of these deaths—which includes alleged defenestrations, suspected poisonings, suspicious heart attacks, and supposed suicides—is remarkable for the variety of unnatural deaths contained within as well as its Russian-novel length.

Some two dozen notable Russians have died in 2022 in mysterious ways, some gruesomely. The bodies of the gas-industry leaders Leonid Shulman and Alexander Tyulakov were found with suicide notes at the beginning of the year. Then, in the span of one month, three more Russian executives—Vasily Melnikov, Vladislav Avayev, and Sergey Protosenya—were found dead, in apparent murder-suicides, with their wives and children. In May, Russian authorities found the body of the Sochi resort owner Andrei Krukovsky at the bottom of a cliff; a week later, Aleksandr Subbotin, a manager of a Russian gas company, died in a home belonging to a Moscow shaman, after he was allegedly poisoned with toad venom.

The list goes on. In July, the energy executive Yuri Voronov was found floating in his suburban St. Petersburg swimming pool with a bullet wound in his head. Think Gatsby by the Neva. In August, the Latvia-born Putin critic Dan Rapoport apparently fell from the window of his Washington, D.C., apartment, a mile from the White House—right before Ravil Maganov, the chairman of a Russian oil company, fell six stories from a window in Moscow. Earlier this month, the IT-company director Grigory Kochenov toppled off a balcony. Ten days ago, in the French Riviera, a Russian real-estate tycoon took a fatal tumble down a flight of stairs.

To reiterate: All of these deaths occurred this year.

One could argue that, given Russia’s exceptionally low life expectancy and unchecked rate of alcoholism, at least some of these fatalities were natural or accidental. Just because you’re Russian doesn’t mean you can’t accidentally fall out of an upper-story window. Sometimes, people kill themselves—and the suicide rate among Russian men is one of the highest recorded in the world. For Edward Luttwak, a historian and military-strategy expert, that’s at least part of what’s happening: an outbreak of mass despair among Russia’s connected and privileged elite. “Imagine what happens to a globalized country when sanctions kick in,” he told me. “Some of them will commit suicide.” But the sheer proliferation of these untimely deaths warrants a closer look.

After all, this is what the Kremlin does. There is precedent for this phenomenon. In 2020, Russian agents poisoned—but failed to kill—the Putin critic Alexei Navalny with a nerve agent; a decade earlier, they succeeded in a similar attempt on the Russian-security-services defector Alexander Litvinenko. In 2004, when Viktor Yushchenko ran against a Kremlin-backed opponent for Ukraine’s presidency, he was poisoned with dioxin and left disfigured. Thirty years earlier, the Bulgarian secret service, reportedly with the help of the Soviet KGB, killed the dissident Georgi Markov by stabbing him on the Waterloo Bridge in London with a ricin-laced umbrella tip. Russian agents often “turn to the most exotic,” Luttwak told me. “People who do assassinations for commercial purposes look at [their methods] and laugh.”

Suicides are more difficult to decipher. For oligarchs who have failed to show sufficient loyalty to Putin, coaxed suicide is not an implausible scenario. “It is not uncommon to be told, ‘We can come to you or you can do the manly thing and commit suicide, take yourself off the chess board. At least you’ll have the agency of your own undoing,’” Michael Weiss, a journalist and the author of a forthcoming book on the GRU, the Russian military-intelligence agency, told me. Did Antov really fall out his window in India? Was he pushed by a Kremlin agent? Or did he get a call that threatened his family and made him feel he had no option but to leap? “All of these things are possible,” Weiss told me.

In the Kremlin’s Gothic murderverse, imagination is key.

Defenestration has been a favorite method of removing political opponents since the early days of multistory buildings, but in the modern era, Russia has monopolized the practice. Like Tosca’s climactic exit from the battlements of Castel Sant’Angelo, death by falling from a great height has a performative, even moral aspect.

In Russian, this business of assassination is known as mokroye delo, or “wet work.” Sometimes, the main purpose is to send a message to others: We’ll kill you and your family if you’re disloyal. Sometimes, the goal is to simply remove a troublesome individual.

A few years after the Russian whistleblower Alexander Perepilichny died while jogging outside London in 2012, at least one autopsy detected chemical residue in his stomach linked to the rare—and highly toxic—flowering plant gelsemium. “These are the clues of evidence that the Russians are fond of using,” Weiss told me. A calling card, if you will. “They want us to know that it was murder, but they don’t want us to be able to definitely conclude it was murder.”

Poisoning has that ambiguity. It is literally covert, concealed, sometimes hard to detect. Defenestration is a bit less ambiguous. Yes, it could be an accident. But it’s a lot easier to conclude it was murder—an overt assassination.

“Things that mimic natural causes of death like a heart attack or a stroke, the Russians can be quite good at doing that,” Weiss said. The deaths range in their showiness, but they’re all part of the same overarching scheme: to perpetuate the idea that the Russian state is a deadly, all-powerful octopus, whose slimy tentacles can search out and seize any dissident, anywhere. As the Bond franchise had it, the world is not enough.

The war in Ukraine is not universally popular among Russia’s ruling elite. Since the conflict began, sanctions on oligarchs and businessmen have constrained their profligate and peripatetic lifestyles. Some are, understandably, said to be unhappy about this. High-level Russian elites feel as if Putin “has essentially wound the clock backwards,” Weiss said, to the bad old days of Cold War isolation.

This year’s spate of deaths—so brazen in their number and method as to suggest a lack of concern about plausible, or even implausible, deniability—is quite possibly Putin’s way of warning Russia’s elites that he is that deadly octopus. The point of eliminating critics, after all, isn’t necessarily to eliminate criticism. It is to remind the critics—with as much flair as possible—what the price of voicing that criticism can be.

Edited 3 hours ago by Vesper

[Vesper 29,278]

8 hours ago, kolovrat said:

You got real sources outside just a bunch of mainstream media BS?

you are Russian water-carrying RW shill/troll

go back to VK, Rumble, Gab, Truth Social, TOR, and/or whatever spawn of 4Chan is currently en vogue amongst you gaslighting fashie bois/ fashie gurls

 

oh, and your TC username betrays you

Kolovrat

 

 

Origin:

A sun-shaped swastika with eight arms. Neo-Nazis and neo-Pagans claim this symbol has ancient Slavic origins but there is no evidence to support this claim. It likely appeared in the 1920s and has only been actively used since the 1990s. The symbol’s “arms” can point left or right.

Use as a hate symbol:

Far-right groups in a number of Slavic countries, mainly in Russia and Ukraine, use the Kolovrat in place of a swastika. It was also included in the emblem of the Russian right-wing radical movement Russian National Unity.

To far-right groups, it is a symbol of Slavic heritage, used to draw contrast to non-Slavs.

In Ukraine, it is widely used as an indicator of far-right views, often without any stated affiliation with a specific organization or structure.

It is often used in graffiti and as a tattoo.

 

Kolovrat (band)

Kolovrat (Russian: Коловрат) is a Russian Rock Against Communism (RAC)/^[1]thrash metal^{[citation needed]} band. The band has a cult following among Russian nationalists^[2][3] and has been described as "famous" in the RAC scene^[1] and is the best known of the Russian white power bands.^[4] It has been described as a neo-Nazi group.^[5][4]

[Mhsc 966]

On 22/02/2025 at 12:20, Mhsc said:

Also, I hope Sanchez is back today - despite everything. Seriously concerned about Jorg - feels like close to forfeiting to play him again.

 

22 hours ago, Mhsc said:

Jorg in goal again... I feel sick

How I felt before the game... I decided to watch anyway, its the hope that kills you.

Reflecting on it today, I think for the Southampton game if Jorg is in goal I will finally lose faith in Maresca. Not to say he couldn't win me back over, if he eventually gets things figured out (better late than never) but I wouldn't object at that point if the club decide to let him go. Its one thing if you learn from your mistakes and improve, its another to just keep flogging a dead horse and expecting different results.

It feels like Maresca has really bottled it here and succumbed to fan and media pressure around Sanchez - I understand why everyone hates and mocks the guy, he really is a useless prick, but fact is Sanchez is a class above Jorg (or two or three classes above perhaps), and it is Maresca's job to put out the group of players with the best chance to get a result - not a group that will lose but appease fans and the media temporarily, e.g. by putting out Jorgensen or some random youth players so we can feel good about giving the academy a chance, or whatever random short term feel good nonsense can be cooked up - you've got to have the balls to pick the group with the best chance to get the 3 points, and play the tactics with the best chance to get that, and ignore all of that noise. If you get sacked over it walk out with your head held high saying you did the best that could be done with what you had available.

Edited 5 minutes ago by Mhsc