Leif 6,006 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Mourinho here. Ancelotti to Madrid. Pellegrini to PSG. I could see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 no stats but suffice to say the teams who would usually be there abouts have significantly under achieved whilst everton have been better. Do you think this is reason enough to hand the reigns to moyes? I certainly do not! Plus money spent accounts for nout, we have a 50 million pound striker up front but that doesnt mean a thing performance wise. Stats and figures are VERY misleading at times.The greater the resources, the more successful teams are - that's the general rule. It's why Rangers and Celtic dominate the SPL, Barca and Real dominate La Liga, why PSG will dominate the French league for years to come and why the teams who have won the Premier League have generally spent the most (United, Arsenal, City, Blackburn and.....um, there's one other whose name escapes me).Just to put Everton's finances into context, the teams either side above and below them in net spend over the last five years are Wigan and Reading - two teams almost certain to go down.Now of course there are exceptions (QPR have spent loads, Arsenal have made profits) but in general resources determine success. On paper, Everton have absolutely no right being in the position they're in and Moyes deserves credit for that. He's ready for a step up and if we're not in the running for a top, top manager then he's got to be in the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 The greater the resources, the more successful teams are - that's the general rule. It's why Rangers and Celtic dominate the SPL, Barca and Real dominate La Liga, why PSG will dominate the French league for years to come and why the teams who have won the Premier League have generally spent the most (United, Arsenal, City, Blackburn and.....um, there's one other whose name escapes me).Just to put Everton's finances into context, the teams either side above and below them in net spend over the last five years are Wigan and Reading - two teams almost certain to go down.Now of course there are exceptions (QPR have spent loads, Arsenal have made profits) but in general resources determine success. On paper, Everton have absolutely no right being in the position they're in and Moyes deserves credit for that. He's ready for a step up and if we're not in the running for a top, top manager then he's got to be in the discussion. mate you keep talking figures and money, there is no rule that dictates that the most money spent wins! We spent much more than united this term and hows that working out? Same way that saying because everton dont spend a lot its a phenomenal job moyes is doing to have them missing out on UCL positions, its not! He's not a top manager, hes a decent manager, I wouldnt begrudge him that much but hes not a top man.i cant be bothered looking up tables from years gone by but im fairly sure there are teams who have spent less than everton again who have achieved the 'feat' of finishing in the europa league spots. We are noy going to agree on this but safe to say if moyes was hired in the summer (he wont be) id be gutted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Mourinho here. Ancelotti to Madrid. Pellegrini to PSG. I could see that happening.I can see even further, Mancini to PSG and Pellegrini to ManCity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHL 47 378 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Jose Mourinho reportedly told Jurgen Klopp before the Dortmund/Madrid match that he would be returning to Chelsea. (Bild)Psst - Jurgen, don't tell anyone cause it's a little bit of a secret. I'm going to Chelsea next season....................remember it's our little secret, rightSome newspapers want us to believe crap like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Psst - Jurgen, don't tell anyone cause it's a little bit of a secret. I'm going to Chelsea next season....................remember it's our little secret, rightSome newspapers want us to believe crap like that?Yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkE 267 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Psst - Jurgen, don't tell anyone cause it's a little bit of a secret. I'm going to Chelsea next season....................remember it's our little secret, rightSome newspapers want us to believe crap like that?Yep but everything said under one min.- Hello- Hi- How is it going?- Well, I'm going to Chelsea but nevermind we have a semi-final to play, and you?- Great, I don't have any players left for the next season.- Has been a pleasure.- Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHL 47 378 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Mourinho here. Ancelotti to Madrid. Pellegrini to PSG. I could see that happening.The interesting manager not being touted around right for any club in particular is Jupp Heynckes.He has built a great squad at Bayern, been to two CL finals, won the Bundesliga by a distance from a good Dortmund side and leaves them stronger by far than they were when he began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Mourinho here. Ancelotti to Madrid. Pellegrini to PSG. I could see that happening.@ChelsTransferAccording to Italian Sportmediaset, Carlo Ancelotti to #RMCF is done; #PSG eyeing Manuel Pellegrini as a possibly replacement. #CFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkE 267 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 The interesting manager not being touted around right for any club in particular is Jupp Heynckes.He has built a great squad at Bayern, been to two CL finals, won the Bundesliga by a distance from a good Dortmund side and leaves them stronger by far than they were when he began.I believe I've heard something about retirement?, not sure eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 The interesting manager not being touted around right for any club in particular is Jupp Heynckes.He has built a great squad at Bayern, been to two CL finals, won the Bundesliga by a distance from a good Dortmund side and leaves them stronger by far than they were when he began.Isnt he retiring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHL 47 378 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Isnt he retiring?Being quite widely reported that he would like to shelve his retirement plans and manage in England or Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 But there's no getting around the fact that Moyes doesn't have trophies to his name yet if that's all we're going to judge managers on then we should discount Pellegrini too. Moyes and Pellegrini don't have much trophies to their name, but that is where the comparison's end.Moyes has spent years in a low pressured job, yes he has done fantastic keeping them competitive every season but lets put it into perspective, Big Sam did the same at Bolton, if he stayed at Bolton to this day and carried on, would he be on that poll above? If Roy didn't ruin his reputation at Liverpool, would we be calling for him due to his miracle work at Fulham? Infact if Hughes stayed at Blackburn to this day we would almost certainly be calling for him too.Pellegrini has got shitloads of CL experience, he is the only manager to break the Madrid-Barca stranglehold in nearly a decade and at Madrid got them 96 points, he took on the biggest job in football and done well, he was very unlucky that he happened to go there at the same time one of the best teams off all time were at the peak of their powers.Pellegrini has proven he can handle a massive job, where as Moyes, hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Moyes and Pellegrini don't have much trophies to their name, but that is where the comparison's end.Moyes has spent years in a low pressured job, yes he has done fantastic keeping them competitive every season but lets put it into perspective, Big Sam did the same at Bolton, if he stayed at Bolton to this day and carried on, would he be on that poll above? If Roy didn't ruin his reputation at Liverpool, would we be calling for him due to his miracle work at Fulham? Infact if Hughes stayed at Blackburn to this day we would almost certainly be calling for him too.Pellegrini has got shitloads of CL experience, he is the only manager to break the Madrid-Barca stranglehold in nearly a decade and at Madrid got them 96 points, he took on the biggest job in football and done well, he was very unlucky that he happened to go there at the same time one of the best teams off all time were at the peak of their powers.Pellegrini has proven he can handle a massive job, where as Moyes, hasn't.Another argument for Pelle and for me the most important one, is playing style and the quality of the pitch. I have watched Pelle’s team for almost a decade now, his teams are ferocious and they play a proactive style like a big club. They force their style on the other team with their pressing, up tempo, and retention of the ball.Lets also consider Malaga, were very unlucky to lose to the same Klopp juggernaut team that wiped Madrid off the pitch a few nights ago.I would be very happy with Pelle at the club next season. But make no doubt it will take some time for him to implement his style just like if Klopp took the job. Because both managers preach unity in attack and defense which is very hard to implement in a short amount of time. How long it takes will be determined by the intelligence of the squad, and how quickly they can apply it on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton 2,120 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Just want José, with him as captain on the Cfc ship teams will be frightend again to play us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Moyes and Pellegrini don't have much trophies to their name, but that is where the comparison's end.Moyes has spent years in a low pressured job, yes he has done fantastic keeping them competitive every season but lets put it into perspective, Big Sam did the same at Bolton, if he stayed at Bolton to this day and carried on, would he be on that poll above? If Roy didn't ruin his reputation at Liverpool, would we be calling for him due to his miracle work at Fulham? Infact if Hughes stayed at Blackburn to this day we would almost certainly be calling for him too.Pellegrini has got shitloads of CL experience, he is the only manager to break the Madrid-Barca stranglehold in nearly a decade and at Madrid got them 96 points, he took on the biggest job in football and done well, he was very unlucky that he happened to go there at the same time one of the best teams off all time were at the peak of their powers.Pellegrini has proven he can handle a massive job, where as Moyes, hasn't.I'm not going to get into a debate about Allardyce or any other manager. I've said why I think Moyes is worthy of discussion if we don't get Mourinho and I've explained he's by no means the perfect choice. Neither is Pellegrini. Yes he did well to spend £200 million to amass 96 points and yes he's got experience in the CL, but he also has question marks hanging over him.That's really all I can be bothered to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodZola 630 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Personally think there is an order of priority in who the club decide to appoint as our new manager, the 2 j's - Jose & Jupp, every other name being banded around are quite simply second rate.We didn't know until a couple of weeks ago that Jupp isn't nailed on to retire, infact he has been taking digs at the Bayern hierarchy - what would give him more pleasure than building a team to take on & defeat his current employers that it seems have been premature to discard his services, it must surely give him a massive incentive to carry on elsewhere? Why is his age a problem? Ferguson has just won the title at 71? Why not bring him in & have someone like Frank as a assistant manager to groom & take over when he feels ready to quit? Ultimately Jose should be number 1 but if not Jupp has all the right credentials to take us to the next level.There aren't too many question marks, if any regarding Jose & Jupp but there are over the also rans, that's not to say they wouldn't be successful but I would be 100% confident in the 2 j's where as I don't get the same optimism in the rest.Think & hoping It's a done deal with Jose but if it isn't Jupp would be a fantastic appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkE 267 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Today, Pellegrini's Agent was negotiating with Txiki Begiristain, City's Football Director.http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffutbol.as.com%2Ffutbol%2F2013%2F04%2F29%2Fprimera%2F1367250266_461417.html&act=urlAlthough is from AS.com (bullshit media) doesn't seems to be fake as I also have heard it from another Spanish football radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 So the rumor Mancini to PSG could be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 CARLO ---> REALPELLEGRINI ---> CITYMANCHINI ---> PSGJOSE ---> CHELSEA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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