The Next Manager?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10002227/Chelsea-open-talks-with-Manuel-Pellegrini-over-summer-switch-to-Stamford-Bridge.html

The Telegraph has picked this story up this morning

[Santiago. 1,500]

Wouldn't look too much into it, but he wouldn't be a bad option.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

Does Pellegrini even speak english?

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Does Pellegrini even speak english?

Yes. Quite Fluently

But any manager coming in here (other than Jose) will have one hand tied behind the back. Firstly, he should get instant results --->atleast a title challenge next season. that's why i worry for the club if we don't get Jose

[Special Juan 28,145]

He looks far too much like Wenger.

[bushman 2,043]

Wouldn't look too much into it, but he wouldn't be a bad option.

Can you tell us a bit more why ?

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

Can you tell us a bit more why ?

Because WHS told us José is coming home

[bushman 2,043]

Because WHS told us José is coming home

Thanks for substituting of....

but is Jose coming ?

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Yes. Quite Fluently

But any manager coming in here (other than Jose) will have one hand tied behind the back. Firstly, he should get instant results --->atleast a title challenge next season. that's why i worry for the club if we don't get Jose

Any manager coming in should be mounting a title challenge. We're a good side only a couple of players away from being a very good side and once that pivot is addressed, all the other pieces really should fall into place.

Pellegrini is just such an uninspired choice. There are other, younger managers in this country who would be a gamble but have massive potential, and then there's Jose who is not only a world-class coach but also beloved by the support. Pellegrini is a middle-of-the-road choice, a repeat of old mistakes. He's spectacular only in his being unspectacular. He seems like an affable chap who won't cause much disruption, he'll manage games effectively, he'll probably get us a respectable league finish, give us a respectable run in the cups and leave without much disruption in a year's time.

But he speaks English and he's cheap, and at the end of the day isn't that enough for us Chelsea fans?

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Well, if I may. Just because he speaks English & is cheap to sign, I do not feel that´s good enough.

This team should challenge for CL, PL...trophies & not be contented with 2nd best.

I believe, as mentioned above 2-3 players away from a serious challenge for those trophies.

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Any manager coming in should be mounting a title challenge. We're a good side only a couple of players away from being a very good side and once that pivot is addressed, all the other pieces really should fall into place.

Pellegrini is just such an uninspired choice. There are other, younger managers in this country who would be a gamble but have massive potential, and then there's Jose who is not only a world-class coach but also beloved by the support. Pellegrini is a middle-of-the-road choice, a repeat of old mistakes. He's spectacular only in his being unspectacular. He seems like an affable chap who won't cause much disruption, he'll manage games effectively, he'll probably get us a respectable league finish, give us a respectable run in the cups and leave without much disruption in a year's time.

But he speaks English and he's cheap, and at the end of the day isn't that enough for us Chelsea fans?

I agree with that. Pellegrini is closer to di Matteo than Jose in terms of ruthlessness and eccentricity. But then again, he did take decisive action when needed - dropping and selling Riquelme at Villarreal and then doing the same to Raul at Madrid. At this point, we've gone past the days where the seniors are pulling strings at the club.

The new manager will be walking into a young squad with great potential. The appeal of Pellegrini is that his teams adhere to basic organisation and create chances. His teams are full of 'off-the-ball' running and 'pass-and-move' characteristics. At present, our attack is just giving the ball to Mata or Hazard and see whether they do something with it. Team-play is quite rare from Chelsea.

Also, That's where I feel Moyes hasn't proven enough. Moyes' Everton have been playing rugged target-man tactics for the better part of his time at Everton. Maybe not to the extent of Stoke and West Ham but their play often involved aerial balls and target strikers. His strikers at the club over the years - Yakubu, Anichebe, Tim Cahill, Jo, Louis Saha - were all target-men. In recent years, Everton have shifted to more fluent football with the likes of Osman Mirallas and Pienaar etc but I would love to see more of Moyes before making up my mind.

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Pellegrini is near the top of the list because of lack of choice. But that doesn't take away his achievements or that he is a good footballing 'coach'.

Klopp won't leave Dortmund. Loew won't leave Germany till 2014 WC. Hiddink's retiring. There are reports that Frank de Boer will be offered a new deal

It's realistically down to the likes of Pellegrini, Moyes, Capello, Roberto Martinez if Jose deal doesn't happen

edit: in reference to "too nice of a manager" , There are examples on the contrary you know? Pellegrini dropped Riquelme - probably Villarreal's greatest ever player, and eventually transferred him out of the club. At Real, he dropped Raul. Both were quite decisive actions

Even after dropping those players, it seems that they still play quite a fair bit of games for their respective clubs. And being bold to drop players is only one part of the matter.

As for Hiddink, didn't he sort of back track with his retirement comments in February or something? Said something about if he can still continue managing, then he will do so.

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Even after dropping those players, it seems that they still play quite a fair bit of games for their respective clubs. And being bold to drop players is only one part of the matter.

As for Hiddink, didn't he sort of back track with his retirement comments in February or something? Said something about if he can still continue managing, then he will do so.

I read somewhere that Hiddink is keeping options open but the general consensus is that he's retiring at the end of the season

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People are all emotional about the Jose rumors, it is only normal that any other manager will get criticized. Everyone wants Jose, me included, but till now, it's just a fairy tale. Pelligrini is the best out of the realistic options we have along with Hiddink.

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People are all emotional about the Jose rumors, it is only normal that any other manager will get criticized. Everyone wants Jose, me included, but till now, it's just a fairy tale. Pelligrini is the best out of the realistic options we have along with Hiddink.

He's the best in your opinion.

Personally I'd rather go with someone who knows this league and has shown an ability to surpass expectations. Moyes has done that. He's shown a pragmatism that we need, but also a genuine desire to build a team that plays nice football and integrates young players.

Any option who isn't Jose or Klopp is a step down and a big risk, but I've seen nothing to suggest that Pellegrini is any better of an option than Moyes. Neither has a fantastic resume, but at least one has experience of English football which is something that some people simply don't acknowledge as a factor possibly because of their own experiences.

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He's the best in your opinion.

Personally I'd rather go with someone who knows this league and has shown an ability to surpass expectations. Moyes has done that. He's shown a pragmatism that we need, but also a genuine desire to build a team that plays nice football and integrates young players.

Any option who isn't Jose or Klopp is a step down and a big risk, but I've seen nothing to suggest that Pellegrini is any better of an option than Moyes. Neither has a fantastic resume, but at least one has experience of English football which is something that some people simply don't acknowledge as a factor possibly because of their own experiences.

Obviously the two don't have a good resume, although Pelligrini has managed at the very top level, I mean he was just managing last week in the quarter finals of the CL, unlike Moyes. Pelligrini is better tactician, imo. His teams are always very organized with close lines and efficiency in attack. The main argument against Moyes for me, is the one you mentioned actually: His philosophy is built around cheap buys and integrating young players. How in the world is that going to work out here? I feel that Moyes is just not suited for us, he'd be way out of his depth here, imo.

All that said, what makes you think Moyes would come here? He's done fantastically well at Everton that his name has become synonymous with the team. Why would he throw all that away just to manage Chelsea for half a season?

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Obviously the two don't have a good resume, although Pelligrini has managed at the very top level, I mean he was just managing last week in the quarter finals of the CL, unlike Moyes. Pelligrini is better tactician, imo. His teams are always very organized with close lines and efficiency in attack. The main argument against Moyes for me, is the one you mentioned actually: His philosophy is built around cheap buys and integrating young players. How in the world is that going to work out here? I feel that Moyes is just not suited for us, he'd be way out of his depth here, imo.

All that said, what makes you think Moyes would come here? He's done fantastically well at Everton that his name has become synonymous with the team. Why would he throw all that away just to manage Chelsea for half a season?

His cheap buys have taken Everton into the top four twice and finish one spot behind us last season, although don't confuse philosophy with the restrictions of his job. He didn't choose not to spend £30 million on a striker based on philosophical objections.

Pellegrini does have experience with spending hundreds of millions of pounds in a single summer though. The fact that he lost to a French team in the Champions League and was sacked 12 months later is perhaps an indicator of how successful he was though.

Tactically I think they both have things to offer this club - the difference is that Moyes knows what tactics work in this league. Pellegrini has no experience of the Premier League. He has no experience of the FA Cup. He has no experience of Stamford Bridge.

But he can speak English, he's cheap and no-one will give a fuck when we sack him in 2014. Sign him up!!

Getting Pellegrini is an unambitious acceptance of the status quo - but we'll probably finish top four and probably have a nice cup run. Yay!

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His cheap buys have taken Everton into the top four twice and finish one spot behind us last season, although don't confuse philosophy with the restrictions of his job. He didn't choose not to spend £30 million on a striker based on philosophical objections.

Pellegrini does have experience with spending hundreds of millions of pounds in a single summer though. The fact that he lost to a French team in the Champions League and was sacked 12 months later is perhaps an indicator of how successful he was though.

Tactically I think they both have things to offer this club - the difference is that Moyes knows what tactics work in this league. Pellegrini has no experience of the Premier League. He has no experience of the FA Cup. He has no experience of Stamford Bridge.

But he can speak English, he's cheap and no-one will give a fuck when we sack him in 2014. Sign him up!!

Getting Pellegrini is an unambitious acceptance of the status quo - but we'll probably finish top four and probably have a nice cup run. Yay!

Well, you haven't really addressed the points I raised, so let me put them more clearly:

1) Not sure how much of Pelligrini's teams you've watched, but his sides are always very organized with close lines, good defensive work-rate and very efficient attack. In my mind, he is a much better tactician than Moyes.

2) Pelligrini has managed at the top level. You can't judge his time at real from just that loss in the CL. The 96 points he accumulated in the league were a stellar achievement, but it happened to coincide with Barcelona having one of the best season in the history. He got sacked because of the political issues inside the club that every knew of. But I don't mean just Real. He managed both Villareal and Malaga in the CL and has taken them far in the competition. He's made the CL semifinal and the quarter finals twice. That is valuable European experience that Moyes does not have.

3) Moyes might have PL experience, but his tactics and 'philosophy' at Everton is unlikely to work out here. Even if you put aside the fact about Moyes liking to integrate youth players into his teams, which he obviously won't be able to do here. Everton, play some nice football, but they're still built as physical team that dominate opponents with strength. Everton rely on long balls and crosses into the box. That won't work here with the likes of Mata and Oscar and Hazad. We're looking to play fast paced football with short ground passes; the kind of football Pelligrini is known for. It's a completely different philosophy. That's why I don't think Moyes is suited for Chelsea. In fact, if we're going for managers who know the league, I'd rather Martinez over Moyes, tbh.

4) Finally, again, what makes you think Moyes would even want to come here. Why would Moyes leave all the great work he's done at Everton just to manage Chelsea for half a season? On the other hand, we know for a fact that Pelligrini is interested in coming here and he has stated that he would like to manage in the PL.

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Just something about David Moyes. I would not necessarily be against his appointment simply because he knows the league very well and one thing you are likely to be guaranteed from his team is that the players will give a 100%(or close to it at least) in performances every game. However, the issue does come when you look at his track record in terms of winning trophies. Yes, he has done extremely very well at Everton to make them competitive as possible on a shoe string budget but even then, he has managed quite a few good Everton sides that should be winning or have won at least 2-3 trophies in the past 10 years and hasn't. And when you see Swansea won the League Cup this season, in Laudrup's first season, it kinda makes one wonder if Moyes has ability to drag his players over the finishing line in really big crunch matches.

Also, when you look at his record agains the big teams in the league, he has yet to win at Emirates(or Highbury), Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford and Anfield in his years at Everton. I know it's not easy to win at those grounds but it's rather staggering that he has yet to win at any of those grounds. Furthermore, Moyes's tactics can be a bit of a suspect. Sometimes, he a bit too rigid in it and seem rather unwilling to take the risk to change things around. And not to mention, he can be a bit negative with it as we have seen in the past. Despite not being able to play in the Champions League so far, Everton have played a fair bit of games in Europe in the UEFA Cup previously and they have not exactly done all too well in it especially when playing against decent sides such as Benfica and Sporting Lisbon. They even lost 5-1 to Dinamo Bucharest at one point!

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Chelsea 'in talks with Pellegrini', claim reports

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/202997.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/18/chelsea-malaga-manuel-pellegrini-benitez

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10002227/Chelsea-open-talks-with-Manuel-Pellegrini-over-summer-switch-to-Stamford-Bridge.html