cosmicway 1,333 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Hudson moved from Chelsea to Stoke remember. He then later joined Arsenal from them. I was scratching my head trying to remember who from the 1970 Cup Final side was still around in 1974. I came up with Bonetti, Harris, Hinton, Hutchinson, and McCreadie. Marvin only made the bench in '70 but, looking back with modern thinking about football, I reckon he was one of the better Blues' players of that era. £240,000 was a European record was n't it ? I thought it was Arsenal but extraordinary. How could Stoke afford that money ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,313 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Hudson moved from Chelsea to Stoke remember. He then later joined Arsenal from them. I was scratching my head trying to remember who from the 1970 Cup Final side was still around in 1974. I came up with Bonetti, Harris, Hinton, Hutchinson, and McCreadie. Marvin only made the bench in '70 but, looking back with modern thinking about football, I reckon he was one of the better Blues' players of that era. That was the era started going in the Shed. One that was taken from us too soon (in 1977) was a fantastic player. Peter Houseman. Totally underrated and like Vialli a genuine nice guy. His wife, himself and their two friends killed by a drunk driver who veered across the other side of the road. The drunk driver was an Etonian, son of a Tory MP so, you've guessed it, got off practically scot free. OhForAGreavsie and Vesper 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, cosmicway said: £240,000 was a European record was n't it ? I thought it was Arsenal but extraordinary. How could Stoke afford that money ? Can't remember about the European transfer record for sure but I think it might not have been. I think I remember having a book, probably something like a Score annual, that showed the world record as being £400,000 for Luigi Riva around the time of the '70 World Cup. Might not have been Riva, might not have been 1970 but I'm sure it was £400,00. 🙂 Football finance was totally different in those days. Virtually no TV money and tiny gate receipts thanks to a combination of very low ticket prices and depressed attendances caused by hooliganism and racism. To put the prices in perspective; I bought my first season ticket in 1976. It cost me £22! This meant that there really wasn't a lot of difference between the budgets of the First Divison clubs. I don't remember the specific situation with Stoke, but maybe it was an owner who pumped money in. Whatever the source, it briefly made them one of the best sides in the country. They beat us in the '72 League Cup Final and later, propelled by Hudson's finest ever season, they finished runners up in the league. Edited January 12, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said: That was the era started going in the Shed. One that was taken from us too soon (in 1977) was a fantastic player. Peter Houseman. Totally underrated and like Vialli a genuine nice guy. His wife, himself and their two friends killed by a drunk driver who veered across the other side of the road. The drunk driver was an Etonian, son of a Tory MP so, you've guessed it, got off practically scot free. My first game in The Shed (Whitewall), was a 3rd round FA Cup tie brought forward to new year's day 1974. In those days new years day was not a traditional football day. Very dull game finished 0-0 against Bristol Rovers if I remember right. May have misremembered some of the details but I'm sure it was an FA Cup game. 🙂 Did you go to the Houseman memorial game? Pretty sure I've still got the program. It was a single piece of card printed black and white on both sides. P.S. Heard a chant of "We're the middle, we're the middle, we're the middle of the ..." during the Bournemouth game. Made me feel nicely nostalgic. Edited January 12, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Fulham Broadway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,313 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 37 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: My first game in The Shed (Whitewall), was a 3rd round FA Cup tie brought forward to new year's day 1974. In those days new years day was not a traditional football day. Very dull game finished 0-0 against Bristol Rovers if I remember right. May have misremembered some of the details but I'm sure it was an FA Cup game. 🙂 Did you go to the Houseman memorial game? Pretty sure I've still got the program. It was a single piece of card printed black and white on both sides. P.S. Heard a chant of "We're the middle, we're the middle, we're the middle of the ..." during the Bournemouth game. Made me feel nicely nostalgic. No never went to Peter Houseman's testimonial. Makes me feel really old. First game was 1967 on an uncles shoulders v Wolves. Funnily enough as a 15 year old was working part time at Eastville in Bristol in 1974 -£1. 40 for two hours, free entry and a pie and a pint The Tote End, Bristol Rovers v West Ham United, Eastville Stadium, Aug 1973 - Bing video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: No never went to Peter Houseman's testimonial. Makes me feel really old. First game was 1967 on an uncles shoulders v Wolves. Funnily enough as a 15 year old was working part time at Eastville in Bristol in 1974 -£1. 40 for two hours, free entry and a pie and a pint The Tote End, Bristol Rovers v West Ham United, Eastville Stadium, Aug 1973 - Bing video Double Barrel. Love it! Pie & a pint for a 15 year-old. They'd never get away with that now. 🙂 Edited January 12, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,313 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Double Barrel. Love it! Pie & a pint for a 15 year-old. They'd never get away with that now. 🙂 Exactly. Was working there once and coupl of seats in front could here this Come on Luton, Come on Luton ! -it was only Eric Morecambe. Ground is an Ikea now 😐 OhForAGreavsie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Can't remember about the European transfer record for sure but I think it might not have been. I think I remember having a book, probably something like a Score annual, that showed the world record as being £400,000 for Luigi Riva around the time of the '70 World Cup. Might not have been Riva, might not have been 1970 but I'm sure it was £400,00. 🙂 Football finance was totally different in those days. Virtually no TV money and tiny gate receipts thanks to a combination of very low ticket prices and depressed attendances caused by hooliganism and racism. To put the prices in perspective; I bought my first season ticket in 1976. It cost me £22! This meant that there really wasn't a lot of difference between the budgets of the First Divison clubs. I don't remember the specific situation with Stoke, but maybe it was an owner who pumped money in. Whatever the source, it briefly made them one of the best sides in the country. They beat us in the '72 League Cup Final and later, propelled by Hudson's finest ever season, they finished runners up in the league. Historical progression (not adjusted for inflation btw) Year Player Selling club Buying club Fee (£) 1893 Willie Groves West Bromwich Albion Aston Villa 100[2] 1903 Ben Green Barnsley Small Heath 500[77] 1904 Alf Common (1) Sheffield United Sunderland 520[78] 1904 Andy McCombie Sunderland Newcastle United 700[79] 1905 Alf Common (2) Sunderland Middlesbrough 1,000[80] 1913 Daniel Shea West Ham United Blackburn Rovers 2,000[81] 1913 Tommy Barber Bolton Wanderers Aston Villa 2,000[82] 1914 Percy Dawson Heart of Midlothian Blackburn Rovers 2,500[83] 1920 David Jack (1) Plymouth Argyle Bolton Wanderers 3,500[84] 1921 Tom Hamilton Kilmarnock Preston North End 4,600[85] 1922 Syd Puddefoot West Ham United Falkirk 5,000[86] 1922 Warney Cresswell South Shields Sunderland 5,500[87] 1925 Bob Kelly Burnley Sunderland 6,500[88] 1928 David Jack (2) Bolton Wanderers Arsenal 10,890[89] 1932 Bernabé Ferreyra Tigre River Plate 23,000[89] 1949 Johnny Morris Manchester United Derby County 24,000[88] 1949 Eddie Quigley Sheffield Wednesday Preston North End 26,500[88] 1950 Trevor Ford Aston Villa Sunderland 30,000[88] 1951 Jackie Sewell Notts County Sheffield Wednesday 34,500[88] 1952 Hans Jeppson Atalanta Napoli 52,000[89] 1954 Juan Schiaffino Peñarol Milan 72,000[89] 1957 Omar Sivori River Plate Juventus 93,000[89] 1961 Luis Suárez Barcelona Inter Milan 152,000[89] 1963 Angelo Sormani Mantova Roma 250,000[89] 1967 Harald Nielsen Bologna Inter Milan 300,000[90] 1968 Pietro Anastasi Varese Juventus 500,000[89] 1973 Johan Cruyff Ajax Barcelona 922,000[89] 1975 Giuseppe Savoldi Bologna Napoli 1,200,000[89] 1976 Paolo Rossi Vicenza Juventus 1,750,000[89] 1982 Diego Maradona (1) Boca Juniors Barcelona 3,000,000[89] 1984 Diego Maradona (2) Barcelona Napoli 5,000,000[89] 1987 Ruud Gullit PSV Eindhoven Milan 6,000,000[89] 1990 Roberto Baggio Fiorentina Juventus 8,000,000[89] 1992 Jean-Pierre Papin Marseille Milan 10,000,000[89] 1992 Gianluca Vialli Sampdoria Juventus 12,000,000[89] 1992 Gianluigi Lentini Torino Milan 13,000,000[89] 1996 Ronaldo (1) PSV Eindhoven Barcelona 13,200,000[89] 1996 Alan Shearer Blackburn Rovers Newcastle United 15,000,000[91] 1997 Ronaldo (2) Barcelona Inter Milan 19,500,000[89] 1998 Denílson São Paulo Real Betis 21,500,000[92][93] 1999 Christian Vieri Lazio Inter Milan 32,000,000[94] 2000 Hernán Crespo Parma Lazio 35,500,000[94] 2000 Luís Figo Barcelona Real Madrid 37,000,000[94] 2001 Zinedine Zidane Juventus Real Madrid 46,600,000[94] 2009 Kaká Milan Real Madrid 56,000,000[95] 2009 Cristiano Ronaldo Manchester United Real Madrid 80,000,000[96] 2013 Gareth Bale Tottenham Hotspur Real Madrid 86,000,000[97] 2016 Paul Pogba Juventus Manchester United 89,000,000[98] 2017 Neymar Barcelona Paris Saint-Germain 198,000,000[3][4] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said: That was the era started going in the Shed. One that was taken from us too soon (in 1977) was a fantastic player. Peter Houseman. Totally underrated and like Vialli a genuine nice guy. His wife, himself and their two friends killed by a drunk driver who veered across the other side of the road. The drunk driver was an Etonian, son of a Tory MP so, you've guessed it, got off practically scot free. The mad Maseratti driver, outside Oxford. Fulham Broadway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Vesper said: Historical progression (not adjusted for inflation btw) Year Player Selling club Buying club Fee (£) 1893 Willie Groves West Bromwich Albion Aston Villa 100[2] 1903 Ben Green Barnsley Small Heath 500[77] 1904 Alf Common (1) Sheffield United Sunderland 520[78] 1904 Andy McCombie Sunderland Newcastle United 700[79] 1905 Alf Common (2) Sunderland Middlesbrough 1,000[80] 1913 Daniel Shea West Ham United Blackburn Rovers 2,000[81] 1913 Tommy Barber Bolton Wanderers Aston Villa 2,000[82] 1914 Percy Dawson Heart of Midlothian Blackburn Rovers 2,500[83] 1920 David Jack (1) Plymouth Argyle Bolton Wanderers 3,500[84] 1921 Tom Hamilton Kilmarnock Preston North End 4,600[85] 1922 Syd Puddefoot West Ham United Falkirk 5,000[86] 1922 Warney Cresswell South Shields Sunderland 5,500[87] 1925 Bob Kelly Burnley Sunderland 6,500[88] 1928 David Jack (2) Bolton Wanderers Arsenal 10,890[89] 1932 Bernabé Ferreyra Tigre River Plate 23,000[89] 1949 Johnny Morris Manchester United Derby County 24,000[88] 1949 Eddie Quigley Sheffield Wednesday Preston North End 26,500[88] 1950 Trevor Ford Aston Villa Sunderland 30,000[88] 1951 Jackie Sewell Notts County Sheffield Wednesday 34,500[88] 1952 Hans Jeppson Atalanta Napoli 52,000[89] 1954 Juan Schiaffino Peñarol Milan 72,000[89] 1957 Omar Sivori River Plate Juventus 93,000[89] 1961 Luis Suárez Barcelona Inter Milan 152,000[89] 1963 Angelo Sormani Mantova Roma 250,000[89] 1967 Harald Nielsen Bologna Inter Milan 300,000[90] 1968 Pietro Anastasi Varese Juventus 500,000[89] 1973 Johan Cruyff Ajax Barcelona 922,000[89] 1975 Giuseppe Savoldi Bologna Napoli 1,200,000[89] 1976 Paolo Rossi Vicenza Juventus 1,750,000[89] 1982 Diego Maradona (1) Boca Juniors Barcelona 3,000,000[89] 1984 Diego Maradona (2) Barcelona Napoli 5,000,000[89] 1987 Ruud Gullit PSV Eindhoven Milan 6,000,000[89] 1990 Roberto Baggio Fiorentina Juventus 8,000,000[89] 1992 Jean-Pierre Papin Marseille Milan 10,000,000[89] 1992 Gianluca Vialli Sampdoria Juventus 12,000,000[89] 1992 Gianluigi Lentini Torino Milan 13,000,000[89] 1996 Ronaldo (1) PSV Eindhoven Barcelona 13,200,000[89] 1996 Alan Shearer Blackburn Rovers Newcastle United 15,000,000[91] 1997 Ronaldo (2) Barcelona Inter Milan 19,500,000[89] 1998 Denílson São Paulo Real Betis 21,500,000[92][93] 1999 Christian Vieri Lazio Inter Milan 32,000,000[94] 2000 Hernán Crespo Parma Lazio 35,500,000[94] 2000 Luís Figo Barcelona Real Madrid 37,000,000[94] 2001 Zinedine Zidane Juventus Real Madrid 46,600,000[94] 2009 Kaká Milan Real Madrid 56,000,000[95] 2009 Cristiano Ronaldo Manchester United Real Madrid 80,000,000[96] 2013 Gareth Bale Tottenham Hotspur Real Madrid 86,000,000[97] 2016 Paul Pogba Juventus Manchester United 89,000,000[98] 2017 Neymar Barcelona Paris Saint-Germain 198,000,000[3][4] Thank you. I wonder when the conversions were done. I'm focusing on the 1968 Anastasi move to Juve. This seems most likely to be the one I recalled. Albeit well over fifty-years ago, I feel pretty certain that the figure I read was £400,000. The disconnect might be explained by the difference between late 1960's exchange rates and those used in compiling the table. Of course it might also be explained by my memory fooling me. Still, I am confident it said £400k. Edited January 13, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Thank you. I wonder when the conversions were done. I'm focusing on the 1968 Anastasi move to Juve. This seems most likely to be the one I recalled. Albeit well over fifty-years ago, I feel pretty certain that the figure I read was £400,000. The disconnect might be explained by the difference between late 1960's exchange rates and those used in compiling the table. Of course it might also be explained by my memory fooling me. Still, I am confident it said £400k. source (the link is listed in my post) https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/23903470 It was 650 million lire (it looks like they made a mistake) it was more like 437,500 or so quid in summer 1968 (June to September rough average) here are the rates for 650m ITL in GBP for every month of 1968 https://fxtop.com/en/historical-exchange-rates.php?A=650000000&C1=ITL&C2=GBP&MA=1&DD1=01&MM1=01&YYYY1=1968&B=1&P=&I=1&DD2=31&MM2=12&YYYY2=1968&btnOK=Go! Edited January 13, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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