Branislav Ivanovic

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

GTFO!

[Spike 12,049]

Defensively he has been astronomically better than last season however that isn't saying much. His crossing however, is still the worst in the league.

[Polo7 3,496]

4 minutes ago, Spike said:

Defensively he has been astronomically better than last season however that isn't saying much. His crossing however, is still the worst in the league.

One step at a time.......

[nono 791]

11 minutes ago, Spike said:

Defensively he has been astronomically better than last season however that isn't saying much. His crossing however, is still the worst in the league.

We haven't faced anyone of note yet. He was responsible for the goal. Was in the center when he should have been out wide. 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

5 minutes ago, nono said:

He was responsible for the goal.

Well the way I saw it, I'd place more blame at Cahill. But the point you make stands, because between the two of them I worry when we face United with Martial and Zlatan having a field day against those two. I'm sure Nolito and Aguero are also keeping a wide eye on the fact we're still yet to address our major areas of weakness lol.  Thank christ we're not in the Champions League. Imagine we somehow scrap through a group stage only to face MSN/BBC with this shocking backline

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

New playing style: Iva's Crosses. 

[nono 791]

 I hate that I have to keep saying these negative things about all these players because we have lots of very good memories with them. I wouldn't even mind if they were squad players for us but they should not be starting. Unfortunately the club persists with these selections until the players become villains in the eyes of the fans. Ivanovic is WAY past it.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Honestly, and I'm not one to defend Ivanovic, but the goal is not his fault, neither is it Cahill's for that matter! 

He did the right thing in tucking in because Cahill and JT were outnumbered in the middle and would have had trouble dealing with the cross alone. The fault is on Oscar/Matic (can't remember who) who failed to track the run of Capoue from central midfield and from Pedro who was MILES away from his fullback when we did not have the ball. 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

24 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Honestly, and I'm not one to defend Ivanovic, but the goal is not his fault, neither is it Cahill's for that matter! 

He did the right thing in tucking in because Cahill and JT were outnumbered in the middle and would have had trouble dealing with the cross alone. The fault is on Oscar/Matic (can't remember who) who failed to track the run of Capoue from central midfield and from Pedro who was MILES away from his fullback when we did not have the ball. 

They weren't outnumbered. Terry had Ighalo. If Ivanovic picks up Capoue and Cahill picks up Deeney then it would have been a 3 on 3 with Kante being close by to offer support. 

Can see it well at 2:13.

 

 

 

[mccg 1,528]

Again play him more as Cb as than fb simples ,again c'mon board season after season lets have a full squad of Cfc quality,2 players in every position that want to to play for the club/shirt and are worthy.

Keeper

Ivan Cahill Terry

Azpil Kante (new lwb)

 Fab

Hazard

Batman Costa

Would b fun at Sw6?1

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

1 hour ago, mccg said:

Again play him more as Cb as than fb simples ,again c'mon board season after season lets have a full squad of Cfc quality,2 players in every position that want to to play for the club/shirt and are worthy.

Keeper

Ivan Cahill Terry

Azpil Kante (new lwb)

 Fab

Hazard

Batman Costa

Would b fun at Sw6?1

Conte would not find a bigger downgrade from his Italian BBC if he tried to.  

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Yeah he needs to be benched. All the profesionalism he has, all the trophies he helped us win, his performances are poor these days and thats it. Been average for over a year and today game shown nothing else. 

And I could somehow see past his bad defending, as long he would not stop the team. But the whole right side is dragged down because of his poor passing and crossing.

IMO the only thing he brings is height and experience.

I would not go head in the wall, but if there is quality full back available, pay the damn money.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 hour ago, Belgiannutt said:

They weren't outnumbered. Terry had Ighalo. If Ivanovic picks up Capoue and Cahill picks up Deeney then it would have been a 3 on 3 with Kante being close by to offer support. 

Can see it well at 2:13.

 

 

 

When I was writing that I knew that someone would pick out the word outnumbered. I didn't mean that there were more Watford players, I said outnumbered because you need 3 players to mark 2 in the box. I know it's a stupid use of the word but I didn't want to complicate the sentence.

Yeah, he needed to to tuck in to help in 2vs2 because you can have man marking in corners and set pieces when the box is packed, but when you only have 2 attackers, having just 2 defend is basically giving your defender a 50% chance of getting the ball. Actually even less as it's harder to defender the cross than to attack it.. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

9 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

When I was writing that I knew that someone would pick out the word outnumbered. I didn't mean that there were more Watford players, I said outnumbered because you need 3 players to mark 2 in the box. I know it's a stupid use of the word but I didn't want to complicate the sentence.

Yeah, he needed to to tuck in to help in 2vs2 because you can have man marking in corners and set pieces when the box is packed, but when you only have 2 attackers, having just 2 defend is basically giving your defender a 50% chance of getting the ball. Actually even less as it's harder to defender the cross than to attack it.. 

You definitely don't need three players to mark two in the box. You don't tuck in and help your CBs mark opposition strikers when there's a threat out wide. If you do that, you're surrendering a goal scoring opportunity. You say you give your defenders 50% to defend the ball if it's 1v1. But what you've done is essentially give that 3rd player that's coming in from wide a 100% scoring chance. Capoue took it very well but Ivanovic needs to be there. Full backing 101. Cahill and Terry are great in the air, why would they need help from Ivanovic?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

33 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

You definitely do it need three players to mark two in the box. You don't tuck in and help your CBs mark opposition strikers when there's a threat out wide. If you do that, you're surrendering a goal scoring opportunity. You say you give your defenders 50% to defend the ball if it's 1v1. But what you've done is essentially give that 3rd player that's coming in from wide a 100% scoring chance. Capoue took it very well but Ivanovic needs to be there. Full backing 101. Cahill and Terry are great in the air, why would they need help from Ivanovic?

You don't give a goal scoring opportunity because someone SHOULD be there to pick up Capoue. He made a run from central midfield with no one picking him up and ran behind the fullback with the winger no where to help cover.

You definitely do need 3 players to defend a cross into the center of the box against 2 attackers. Regardless of how good your defenders are in the air. Because the attacker can either attack the ball from in front of the man marking him or from behind so the defender has to take a risk and stand either in front of the attacker and risk the ball being played above him or behind the attacker and risk the ball being played in front of him. Hence a 50-50 chance.

But if you have 3 defenders like you should, if the ball looks to be hitting the near post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there and the third will move in front of the attacker on the far post side and if the ball hits the far post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there with the third standing between the second attacker and the far post.

That's literally how coaches coach defending against those situations. Most defenders would do exactly as Iva did. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

4 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

You don't give a goal scoring opportunity because someone SHOULD be there to pick up Capoue. He made a run from central midfield with no one picking him up and ran behind the fullback with the winger no where to help cover.

You definitely do need 3 players to defend a cross into the center of the box against 2 attackers. Regardless of how good your defenders are in the air. Because the attacker can either attack the ball from in front of the man marking him or from behind so the defender has to take a risk and stand either in front of the attacker and risk the ball being played above him or behind the attacker and risk the ball being played in front of him. Hence a 50-50 chance.

But if you have 3 defenders like you should, if the ball looks to be hitting the near post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there and the third will move in front of the attacker on the far post side and if the ball hits the far post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there with the third standing between the second attacker and the far post.

That's literally how coaches coach defending against those situations. Most defenders would do exactly as Iva did. 

A defender should always be goal side of a striker. If he is, he minimising the chance for the shot on goal quite significantly. You don't need another player in there to negate the threat.

Coaches teach full backs to patrol the area around the far post, and Ivanovic failed in that aspect. Was ball watching. Nothing more to it. Apart from that mistake he had a solid game (defensively anyway). He was definitely at fault for the goal. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

2 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

A defender should always be goal side of a striker. If he is, he minimising the chance for the shot on goal quite significantly. You don't need another player in there to negate the threat.

Coaches teach full backs to patrol the area around the far post, and Ivanovic failed in that aspect. Was ball watching. Nothing more to it. Apart from that mistake he had a solid game (defensively anyway). He was definitely at fault for the goal. 

How would a defender stop a header on goal if he is goal side of an attacker on the near post and the cross is played in front of him? 

In that scenario, and here we're talking about a totally different case, defenders are usually told to do the opposite and stand between the attacker and the crosser and not goal-side.

[The Skipper 20,593]

10 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

How would a defender stop a header on goal if he is goal side of an attacker on the near post and the cross is played in front of him? 

In that scenario, and here we're talking about a totally different case, defenders are usually told to do the opposite and stand between the attacker and the crosser and not goal-side.

He challenges for it, quite simple... Anyway! In this scenario, Ivanovic doesn't help at all even if he is the 3rd defender near goal. He is completely irrelevant if the ball is crossed near post. That'll be for Terry to deal with, and he usually does very well in this scenario.