Chelsea Transfers

[Blues Forever 1,232]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

Is Haaland really the real deal? Gotta be cautious about buying one-season wonders. 

Seems like a real deal based on his forms this season. Here's an excellent article about him: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/erling-braut-haland-2019-20-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Seems like a real deal based on his forms this season. Here's an excellent article about him: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/erling-braut-haland-2019-20-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics

That's the issue here, this season. I know he's only 19 but he's done well in only one season so far - his Champions League goals have certainly propelled him to global attention. What if he regresses to the mean next season? What if he turns out to be a one season wonder?

Between him and Werner, I'd rather take Werner, who is playing in a better league than the Austrian league and has proven he's not a flash in the pan with his goalscoring record.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's the issue here, this season. I know he's only 19 but he's done well in only one season so far - his Champions League goals have certainly propelled him to global attention. What if he regresses to the mean next season? What if he turns out to be a one season wonder?

Between him and Werner, I'd rather take Werner, who is playing in a better league than the Austrian league and has proven he's not a flash in the pan with his goalscoring record.

Agree, Werner is safer and probably also cheaper than Haaland.

[Vesper 30,185]

43 minutes ago, Jason said:

Is Haaland really the real deal? Gotta be cautious about buying one-season wonders. 

I will be shocked if he doesnt end up being a world class striker

[Vesper 30,185]

14 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Agree, Werner is safer and probably also cheaper than Haaland.

Werner is going to cost insane money, he renewed with RB Leipzig (I had missed that)

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Werner is going to Bayern

it is pointless to talk about him

If Lewandowski continues performing/scoring like he is doing this season, then that is debatable..at least for next summer. 

[Vesper 30,185]

Just now, Jason said:

If Lewandowski continues performing/scoring like he is doing this season, then that is debatable..at least for next summer. 

I edited it after you replied, Werner renewed with RB (I had missed that)

so maybe we do have a shot, BUT he is going to cost £100m or so, as Liverpool, and many others are in the mix now

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Vesper said:

I edited it after you replied, Werner renewed with RB (I had missed that)

so maybe we do have a shot, BUT he is going to cost £100m or so, as Liverpool, and many others are in the mix now

Apparently, he has a £27 million release cause in his contract. So...

[Blues Forever 1,232]

9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Werner is going to cost insane money, he renewed with RB Leipzig (I had missed that)

Think he has low release clause around €30M which could rise to €60M depending on whether he reaches some pre-agreed target.

[Vesper 30,185]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Apparently, he has a £27 million release cause in his contract. So...

£27m, wow

these articles are so fucked

lolol

I did find that (30m euros) from Kicker

the articles I had read before did not mention it, and said that RB would get huge money for him

 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

£27m, wow

these articles are so fucked

lolol

I did find that (30m euros) from Kicker

the articles I had read before did not mention it, and said that RB would get huge money for him

Going from 0 to 30 million euros is kinda huge.  

[Vesper 30,185]

2 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Think he has low release clause around €30M which could rise to €60M depending on whether he reaches some pre-agreed target.

that does change things

but fucking Klopp is after him like a rat with cheese too

[Vesper 30,185]

Liverpool open transfer talks with Timo Werner

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/media-watch/371040-liverpool-open-transfer-talks-with-timo-werner

grrrrrrrrr

 

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[communicate 2,703]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Liverpool open transfer talks with Timo Werner

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/media-watch/371040-liverpool-open-transfer-talks-with-timo-werner

grrrrrrrrr

 

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I think it all depends whether he want to be bench player for pool. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

39 minutes ago, communicate said:

I think it all depends whether he want to be bench player for pool. 

If Liverpool sign him, i can see Klopp switch to 4-2-3-1 and put Firmino as no. 10.

[King Kante 1,643]

15 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Sorry mate but waiting till 2021-22 aint happening. He will be in City or something like that by then if we dont pull the trigger.

Will he? If he waits then a large proportion of the transfer fee he would attract could be taken by him and his agents instead through signing on fees and wages. Moving next Summer only really benefits Dortmund. Further, he does not have to move to a club or early if he does not want to. I mean, Real and Munich seem to be able to do this sort of thing all the time i.e. a) target a player you want, tap him up and c) get him two years later when his value is less.

I do not really see why this cannot play out with Sancho as Dortmund is a big club, so it is not like playing another season while you're aged 20-21 with them is going to affect you that much, especially as the next season has no international competition you want to play in and the team you play in do not have a ready made player to replace you with. Further, if he whittles down his contract he gets a larger slice of the pie when he does move. 

[King Kante 1,643]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

£27m, wow

these articles are so fucked

lolol

I did find that (30m euros) from Kicker

the articles I had read before did not mention it, and said that RB would get huge money for him

 

Werner was out of contract at the end of this season and signed an extension in the Summer so that he could leave in 2020 and not completely screw over RB. The figure since he signed has always been stated as €30m which is roughly £27m. 

The real question that arises is why did he do this? Is it because RB said you're not going Bayern this Summer but if you sign and give us one more year then you will go with our blessing? Is it because he feels a sense of infinity to RB and felt they could do well this year, so he would stay and achieve something meaningful before he left? Or is it because the club that he wants to sign for did not want him this Summer (whether than be due to a ban (us) or because they have players/squads they do not want to unsettle? (Bayern (Lewandowski), Liverpool (their front 3.) 

Imo, I do not see him signing for Liverpool. I say this as Klopp has already indicated that he only has a few years left there, while the competition for places against their established three will be super tough. I reckon he will end up at Bayern as for the first year he can act as Lewandowski's back up, then the season after he can take over, which makes a lot of sense as there is no international competition in 2021. I do think we have a chance, and a bigger one than Liverpool, but I reckon its likely that he will want to stay in Germany. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Werner was out of contract at the end of this season and signed an extension in the Summer so that he could leave in 2020 and not completely screw over RB. The figure since he signed has always been stated as €30m which is roughly £27m. 

The real question that arises is why did he do this? Is it because RB said you're not going Bayern this Summer but if you sign and give us one more year then you will go with our blessing? Is it because he feels a sense of infinity to RB and felt they could do well this year, so he would stay and achieve something meaningful before he left? Or is it because the club that he wants to sign for did not want him this Summer (whether than be due to a ban (us) or because they have players/squads they do not want to unsettle? (Bayern (Lewandowski), Liverpool (their front 3.) 

Imo, I do not see him signing for Liverpool. I say this as Klopp has already indicated that he only has a few years left there, while the competition for places against their established three will be super tough. I reckon he will end up at Bayern as for the first year he can act as Lewandowski's back up, then the season after he can take over, which makes a lot of sense as there is no international competition in 2021. I do think we have a chance, and a bigger one than Liverpool, but I reckon its likely that he will want to stay in Germany. 

The reason was Bayern decided to focus on signing Sane rather than Werner. This action pissed Werner since Bayern broke their initial promise to prioritize him this summer, and because of that he finally signed an extension.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Will he? If he waits then a large proportion of the transfer fee he would attract could be taken by him and his agents instead through signing on fees and wages. Moving next Summer only really benefits Dortmund. Further, he does not have to move to a club or early if he does not want to. I mean, Real and Munich seem to be able to do this sort of thing all the time i.e. a) target a player you want, tap him up and c) get him two years later when his value is less.

I do not really see why this cannot play out with Sancho as Dortmund is a big club, so it is not like playing another season while you're aged 20-21 with them is going to affect you that much, especially as the next season has no international competition you want to play in and the team you play in do not have a ready made player to replace you with. Further, if he whittles down his contract he gets a larger slice of the pie when he does move. 

Yeah could be you never know, but at the same time if city barca etc came calling with huge offers and wages then he is a goner imo. I dont see him in Dortmund in 2 years time.

[Vesper 30,185]

3 hours ago, King Kante said:

Werner was out of contract at the end of this season and signed an extension in the Summer so that he could leave in 2020 and not completely screw over RB. The figure since he signed has always been stated as €30m which is roughly £27m. 

The real question that arises is why did he do this? Is it because RB said you're not going Bayern this Summer but if you sign and give us one more year then you will go with our blessing? Is it because he feels a sense of infinity to RB and felt they could do well this year, so he would stay and achieve something meaningful before he left? Or is it because the club that he wants to sign for did not want him this Summer (whether than be due to a ban (us) or because they have players/squads they do not want to unsettle? (Bayern (Lewandowski), Liverpool (their front 3.) 

Imo, I do not see him signing for Liverpool. I say this as Klopp has already indicated that he only has a few years left there, while the competition for places against their established three will be super tough. I reckon he will end up at Bayern as for the first year he can act as Lewandowski's back up, then the season after he can take over, which makes a lot of sense as there is no international competition in 2021. I do think we have a chance, and a bigger one than Liverpool, but I reckon its likely that he will want to stay in Germany. 

makes sense