Chelsea Transfers

[killer1257 3,282]

Werner can play winger as well
and I simply do not buy into what you are trying to frame as a given
and I REALLY want to see an option of 2 strikers up front
but by all means
let's just keep Bats as our main option when Tammy cannot go
that will work out just grandly

I just gave you examples why it does not work and you just say it works without giving me any proof that it works.

Werner is a Second striker and he is s Counter Striker. He really struggles playing CF and that is why even Gnabry for instance plays CF before Werner. Löw sadly only knows 4-2-3-1 since 2010^^.

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24 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Thats just a rumour though from Kicker. Therr was also rumour he has one that is around 60m euros and it will drop 10m euro each year running upto 2023.... I doubt any club, especially one who are notorious for developing and selling for profit, would be stupid enough to put a 30m euro release clause in a player who has scored the amount of goals he has. Id imagine the 60m would be more realistic than 30m.

Not sure what is correct and what isn't, but a fairly low release clause may be realistic as wasn't his contract running down last season and he re-signed.

Perhaps at the time he was willing to re-sign but with a fairly low release clause which would allow him to move to a bigger club when the time is right. That way too at least Leipzig haven't lost him on a free.

I think he's played things perfectly to be honest. How many players are quick to move to bigger clubs too early and get lost in the shuffle and lose momentum. He's stayed and this has been a real break-out year for him, just before the Euros with Germany.

After this, he'll have a pick of clubs or stick where he is.

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Just now, BDTips said:

Timo Werner has a 60 million clause on NEXT SUMMER !!!

But he's the killer I want and we need.
A player of present and future.

If we have to wait for summer, let's wait.

25m quid or 50m

makes hardly any difference to me

BUY HIM

I really do not care if he ends up benching Tammy overall or not (I still say they can play together)

if we are serious about trophies we are talking close to 60 games a year

and lets say we dont do shite or buy a bust ( I am sorry but Dembele of Lyon has overpay/under produce written all over him and will cost £40 or £50m anyway)

and Tammy goes down for a month

ready for a month of Bats lads if we but no one?

I see (taken cumulatively as some people want to sell this one but not that one) arguments on why NONE or almost none of the current squad should be sold

or how we cannot afford to upgrade

well

if we do that (almost nothing of real WC quality an even the, not a lot of buys at all or make wretched buys (which we all know we are capable of)

we will more than likely finish out of the top 4 for sure next year

the team is NOT going to get better if we just stand pat, we have far too much shite on the books to just do a patch job and pray for Zaha to magically turn into Mane or Sterling

 

there is, unfortunately a really HIGH chance that we miss out on ALL of Werner, Sancho, Chilwell, and then a truly WC GK and a truly WC CB

I hope to hell we have other options that do not stop at simply dumping £80m on Zaha, £40m on Ake and then a hope and a prayer striker (and tht may not happen till summer)

and then just wish for the best and cling onto most all of of the rest (minus Giroud and Pedro) including Alonso and Emerson as our LB's (because we missed out on Chilwell and the club wont drop quid on the only couple other top ones (after him there are only 3 other real options, Telles, Gaya, Grimaldo) and Willian renewed for 2 or 3 years (as after the £80m Zaha dump, we say NOPE, no more for wingers, make due and pray CHO recovers)

TBH, I can SO see that happening, with a backup keeper for around £10m and maybe dropping £25m on Ben White (I need to see more of him but he looks very promising) taking our spend up to £195-205m or so (for BOTH windows when a £40-50m dice roll striker is added in)

and then we call it a day (and fob off a 2021 summer buy of Declan Rice as the next big hope)

 

 

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39 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I just gave you examples why it does not work and you just say it works without giving me any proof that it works.

Werner is a Second striker and he is s Counter Striker. He really struggles playing CF and that is why even Gnabry for instance plays CF before Werner. Löw sadly only knows 4-2-3-1 since 2010^^.

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so what striker do you want to buy?

going forward with only Tammy and Bats is asking to crash out of the top 7, if not this year, certainly next

Bats is shit

we have or had some of the worst 35-40m plus cost or were at one time ever valued players in the EPL for the past 8,9, 10 years

Baka

Bats

Drinkwater

Willian, when you factor in we turned down £65m for him

 

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Not always.

Think of the players in Liverpool's current squad that looks like it may break the points record, did any of them (bar Alison) at the point of signing did you think that was a top player who would elevate them?

There's more players around than you think, especially in team orientated systems.

Completely agree. Almost all of Liverpool's players have developed into what they've become at Liverpool. They weren't purchased as ready made. And even whilst they have some top players now, they are incredibly strong as a team. Somebody as talented as Hazard I don't think would work at Liverpool because he wouldn't be prepared to press as intensely as Mane does. They've not focused necessarily on who the best player available on the market is, but who is the best fit for them. 

Spurs built a lot of their own side in a similar way too (Alli, Son, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Alderweireld, etc).

The key thing for me though with both cases above was the level of continuity that allowed these players time and patience to develop and grow.

Compare that to us where we went from buying young after the Champions League win (De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Oscar, Hazard, Azpi, etc) to Mourinho who doesn't have time for younger players and wants ready made experience (Fabregas, Costa) to Conte with a very specific system to Sarri who plays a completely different style to now Lampard who is similar in some aspects to Sarri but clearly wants to play with more pace and energy. We've made some bad blunders in the transfer market but they haven't been helped by some huge changes. As an example we brought wing backs for Conte in Alonso and Zappa who simply aren't good enough full backs now we've changed to a back four. Bakayoko and Drinkwater were purchased specific for Conte but both are technically limited and have no chance since Sarri and then Lampard have come in.

I have no problem with buying players who aren't in the mould of ready made players already in their prime and I'm quite happy to go for a player who might not be everybody's first choice on paper but suits Lampard and his style. So long as there is continuity. Even if Lampard was to completely flop and be replaced, someone else similar in their methods needs to be installed (i.e. attacking football, happy to use the young players, etc) so we're not back to square one yet again.

[manpe 10,861]

Werner for me is the dream signing of next summer. Do I realistically believe it will happen? No, there will be too many more appealing buyers. The slim chance we do have of signing him would evaporate if we miss out on CL footie next season.

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Crystal Palace will hold firm on their £80m valuation of Wilfried Zaha during the January window... with winger now on Chelsea's wishlist after Arsenal and Everton failed to sign him

Wilfried Zaha was wanted by Arsenal and Everton during the summer window 
Crystal Palace's £80m asking price meant he was too expensive for both clubs
The Eagles will stick with that valuation during the January transfer window
Chelsea are keen on Zaha after having their transfer ban reduced to one window

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7803099/Crystal-Palace-hold-firm-80m-valuation-Wilfried-Zaha-January-transfer-window.html

 

£80m, sigh

but I am now 90% convinced we are going to do it

[Nicco 927]

Hopefully Newcatle do one for us against Zaha in the weekend.

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27 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Hopefully Newcatle do one for us against Zaha in the weekend.

lol

he will score a hat trick and the price will go up to £101m

[manpe 10,861]

33 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Crystal Palace will hold firm on their £80m valuation of Wilfried Zaha

£80m? Big fat NO  Enough of inflating the market of mediocre players with silly purchases like this. 20 mill player, add on the stupid prices tax and he's probably closer to between £30-40m.

[BDTips 34]

And continues the masochistic novel for Zaha.

Is there no one in the club to stop this?

80 million. haha.

Doesn't the fact that Arsenal and Everton, the stupidest clubs on the planet, were interested in him say enough?

I want players like Werner. Not failures to take us to Everton level.

[manpe 10,861]

No way in hell Marina pays that amount for fucking Zaha, she is notorious for penny pinching for far better players. Just not gonna happen. 40-45 mill is the highest I can see her go tbf and Palace will ultimately take that and run.

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Well, just got off the phone with my father

and he says I am utterly delusional to think that Werner and Håland will go for less than £70 to £80m a piece (or far more in Werner's case)

he says there is a bidding war going on and to toss any thought of near release clause prices into the bin

so

I guess I can flush most all hope there down the shitter, as he is almost never wrong (he even told me I was dead wrong to be so excited over Bakayoko, that he was not EPL level (he lives in Monaco part-time, in La Condamine so sees a lot of their games) and that we would sorely regret not signing Bernardo (and to avoid Sidibe like the plague)

[manpe 10,861]

12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Well, just got off the phone with my father

and he says I am utterly delusional to think that Werner and Håland will go for less than £70 to £80m a piece (or far more in Werner's case)

he says there is a bidding war going on and to toss any thought of near release clause prices into the bin

so

I guess I can flush most all hope there down the shitter, as he is almost never wrong (he even told me I was dead wrong to be so excited over Bakayoko, that he was not EPL level (he lives in Monaco part-time, in La Condamine so sees a lot of their games) and that we would sorely regret not signing Bernardo (and to avoid Sidibe like the plague)

Hmm, isn't it so that if a club meets the release clause, that club can already negotiate a contract with the player? So in theory all interested clubs would only need to submit the exact fee in the clause, which then allows opening contract negotiations and then the player will ultimately decide who's offer to take. Why would anybody need to bid higher if the outcome is the same? Or does he mean that by the time he is on the move, his release clause will have risen?

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9 minutes ago, manpe said:

£80m? Big fat NO  Enough of inflating the market of mediocre players with silly purchases like this. 20 mill player, add on the stupid prices tax and he's probably closer to between £30-40m.

£40m is my valuation

maybe 45m MAX

no way anything over

80m is rape

he is bloody 30yo after two full sesons, ffs

his salary will be 200K pw or more

so we will get basically 3 (3.5 MAX) peak years max out of him

with it costing around £45m to £50m a year for that peak span (amortised fee plus salary)

and when he is 31yo we will be lucky to get 10-15m for him, especially with his massive salary

BAD BUSINESS

 

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11 minutes ago, manpe said:

Hmm, isn't it so that if a club meets the release clause, that club can already negotiate a contract with the player? So in theory all interested clubs would only need to submit the exact fee in the clause, which then allows opening contract negotiations and then the player will ultimately decide who's offer to take. Why would anybody need to bid higher if the outcome is the same? Or does he mean that by the time he is on the move, his release clause will have risen?

my father said that the 20m euro RC was only for RB Leipzig

he says Manure alone will toss up to 80-90m euros to RB Salzburg

 

and I have to LOLOLOL again at people who say clubs only can have 1 good striker

that is some numpty logic and I will dismiss it every time

we are going to end up with Morata 2.0 (Dembele) for around what we tossed out for that Gelled-up cunt 

 

[manpe 10,861]

my father said that the 20m euro RC was only for RB Leipzig
he says Manure alone will toss up to 80-90m euros to RB Salzburg
 
and I have to LOLOLOL again at people who say clubs only can have 1 good striker
that is some numpty logic and I will dismiss it every time
we are going to end up with Morata 2.0 (Dembele) for around what we tossed out for that cunt 
 

Werner plays in Leipzig, what do you mean the RC is for them?

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1 minute ago, manpe said:

Werner plays in Leipzig, what do you mean the RC is for them?

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same owners

and I am talking about Håland