19/20 POTY

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47 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

But would not put Mount in this conversation. That would be like Lallana gets best player of the season award 

oh please, Mount was massive for us all season

only 6 or 7 of our players had good (or better seasons) and some of them (like Giroud and Tammy) were only half a season at that level

César Azpilicueta    
Mateo Kovacic    
Mason Mount    
Christian Pulisic   
Willian    
Tammy Abraham    (1st half)
Olivier Giroud    (2nd half)

 

Alonso, Reece, and even Barkley had some  good games, but in now way were really good all year

I need to see if there is overlap on the Mount haters and the Ake fanboys/girls here

both groups seem too have some sort of religious fervour going on

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2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

But still after restart is 25% of the season.

And it is not like Pulisic was not good before. He was great in that best part of the season and our winning run of 6 PL games. He had 5 goals and 1 assist in this period.

Second game in this run was Southampton away and I feel this was the last good game for Mount in his great start of the season. After this we waited more than 2 months for his good game.

Also we had CL. Pulisic was massive in both Ajax games and Valencia away. Mount did nothing in full CL campaign. Do you remember anything significant? 

Like I said before Pulisic has most MOTM performances in our team. I honestly think he has Ballon d Or potential.

This gave me some perspective for my question. Henderson is POTY in PL this season it seems and Modric even won Ballon d Or before. Many would ask how Henderson over KDB, Mane but you cannot always give this awards to attacking players.

So it is similar with Kovacic-Pulisic for us this season. But would not put Mount in this conversation. That would be like Lallana gets best player of the season award 

Why do you keep using forum MOTM votings as a criteria? Most fans would simply give goal scorers as MoTM with no regards to the performances around them. So obviously forwards will have far more "MoTM" awards than mids and defenders.

If the 25% games were the first game of the season, and then puli had a dip, would we still say he should have got the POTY? Obviously I rate puli too, but imho, consistency takes the cake for me. Obviously people have different criterias, mine is this. Hence my vote goes to kova.

Again with the "mount did nothing for so and so period". Are we serious about it. Because I honestly don't want to argue on such polarizing opinions specially when most fans accept that the same period is when we played our best football with mount being an integral part of a midfield 3. 

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Not easy to choose, because pretty much no one has been flawless or even consistent enough to have a clear winner like most of the previous years.

Voted for Pulisic, but I mostly did it because of the Hazardesque vibe he gives with his contribution in the final third. That being said I haven't forgotten his slow start of the season. You could just as easily give the award to either Mount or Kovacic using different arguments, but I'm the type of person who picks flashy over consistent most of the time, so...

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14 hours ago, Jason said:

Saying Pulisic was average pre-restart is over the top, to be honest. Yes, he struggled in the early months - not a surprise for a newcomer - but since that game at Burnley, he actually started playing well right up until his injury in January. He might not have scored consistently or had a lot of assists but his attacking numbers (it's a The Athletic piece and it's behind a paywall  but the numbers are there) were pretty much second to only Abraham. The difference in Pulisic between pre-restart and since the restart is that he simply went up another level, he got even better. 

And it is also harsh to imply voting for Pulisic as Player of the Year is outlandish. Fair enough if you want to pick Mount or Kovacic for their non-goal/assist work as the POTY but on the other hand, others may look at the impact or offensive output that, for example, Pulisic has produced when choosing their POTY. Moreover, considering this is Pulisic's first season in English football and his struggles early on, to finish the season 2nd or 3rd with the most goal contribution - goals + assists - in the team is pretty impressive.

Cant say OTT. If we look at it in a vaccum (without giving him the concession that a 21 year old, new joinee in a different league deserves), then would say it was average or maybe just above average. I mean if it was a 26 year old zaha for 60m who had put in those performances, we surely would not have been rejoicing, atleast I wont have been. 

 

Totally, agree. I myself, would vote for him as a close 3rd and just behind kova and mount, and might even change it based on what happens in FA cup final and maybe even the bayern game. But "outlandish" was for someone voting for him as POTY before the re-start. Again, preferences matter obviously, but dont think it would/could have been justified, imo. 

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24 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Cant say OTT. If we look at it in a vaccum (without giving him the concession that a 21 year old, new joinee in a different league deserves), then would say it was average or maybe just above average. I mean if it was a 26 year old zaha for 60m who had put in those performances, we surely would not have been rejoicing, atleast I wont have been. 

Is that not convenient to disregard context completely? How can one not consider all the factors when it comes to picking Player of the Year? Pulisic practically went from looking lost at the start of the season to arguably our most important attacking player now. 

Also, you keep saying Pulisic was average. What was average about his performances? Once he got into the XI from that Burnley game, he was very good and contributing attacking numbers that were only second to Abraham. If he was average, why then did Lampard consistently play him until he got injured in January? Whenever he has been fully fit, Lampard has put him in the XI. 

And if we want to talk about average performances, go through someone like Kovacic's or Mount's seasons and there are such games as well. Moreover, Kovacic did not play as much in the second half of the season as he did in the first half - partly due to Lampard chopping and changing the midfield - while Mount, for example, was hooked off a couple of times recently because Lampard wasn't happy with his performances. 

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47 minutes ago, Jason said:

Is that not convenient to disregard context completely? How can one not consider all the factors when it comes to picking Player of the Year? Pulisic practically went from looking lost at the start of the season to arguably our most important attacking player now. 

Also, you keep saying Pulisic was average. What was average about his performances? Once he got into the XI from that Burnley game, he was very good and contributing attacking numbers that were only second to Abraham. If he was average, why then did Lampard consistently play him until he got injured in January? Whenever he has been fully fit, Lampard has put him in the XI. 

And if we want to talk about average performances, go through someone like Kovacic's or Mount's seasons and there are such games as well. Moreover, Kovacic did not play as much in the second half of the season as he did in the first half - partly due to Lampard chopping and changing the midfield - while Mount, for example, was hooked off a couple of times recently because Lampard wasn't happy with his performances. 

I feel judging a player's season successful or not should have such parameters counted for. But something like a POTY, needs to be absolute, imo. The award needs to go to who has performed the best for the club irrespective of age, vintage etc etc. But again, very subjected and obviously everyone will have a different opinion and no one is to say the other is wrong.

Well, knowing his potential, and seeing what he does do on the pitch, I would say those performances were average. Look at the difference between puli before restart and post restart. I feel a difference in class. 

Mount did have a couple of such games, but don't think kova had any of such games. Definitely none where he was hooked off. None which I would say would be lesser than a 6/10

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7 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

I feel judging a player's season successful or not should have such parameters counted for. But something like a POTY, needs to be absolute, imo. The award needs to go to who has performed the best for the club irrespective of age, vintage etc etc. But again, very subjected and obviously everyone will have a different opinion and no one is to say the other is wrong.

Well, knowing his potential, and seeing what he does do on the pitch, I would say those performances were average. Look at the difference between puli before restart and post restart. I feel a difference in class. 

Yes, there was a difference but that does not mean the performances pre-restart were average. Pulisic just happened to take his game up to another level, as Lampard mentioned it before.

7 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Mount did have a couple of such games, but don't think kova had any of such games. Definitely none where he was hooked off. None which I would say would be lesser than a 6/10

The performances might not have been bad but doesn't mean Kovacic haven't had any average ones either. Plus, if Kovacic was really good, he would have played more than he did in the second half of the season. 

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes, there was a difference but that does not mean the performances pre-restart were average. Pulisic just happened to take his game up to another level, as Lampard mentioned it before.

The performances might not have been bad but doesn't mean Kovacic haven't had any average ones either. Plus, if Kovacic was really good, he would have played more than he did in the second half of the season. 

You can be good for a game and still get dropped for the bigger picture. With no real goalscorer, I can understand going with 2 no8s at the time, which unfortunately meant that kova got the boot. And obviously I do agree he might have had average days, but still more consistent than the rest. 

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Speaking of POTY the great journalist Simon Phillips of The Sun gave 8 to Zouma and James 

More than he gave to Pulisic, Giroud and Azpi... 

Kovacic as POTY is ok for me but I would give him 7.5. He gave him 9 lol That is Hazard from last year tbh. What a joke.

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when will this be announced? next week?

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

On 8/7/2020 at 1:04 PM, whats happening said:

when will this be announced? next week?

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/landing-pages/misc/annual-awards?cid=goaloftheseason

Fans can vote on official site.

Kova won here, Pulisic on WAGNH so surely it will be one of them I guess.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

For me it was Mount.

Maybe not the best individual, but the development he made was fantastic. Gone from no games to being regular was crazy. Tammy, Tomori eventualy got rotated, but Mount was there almost always whenever fit. 

His attitude is top too. Gives 100% on any position he is demanded to play and works hard for the team. 

Seeing James, RLC, Odoi in games where they just walk around in casual mood, then there is Mount fighting for every ball. 

He played so many games, proved to be key in plenty, especialy in first half of the season when we were still wondering how we will replace Hazard; and played best football this season.

So yeah, my vote goes to him.

If Pulisic played more games at the level he played, he would edge it. Kovacic despite being very reliable didnt realy amaze me. He is crazy talented, but he doesnt demonstrate it often enough. He could be fantastic ball carrier and playmaker, once he gets to that level, I will put him at the top. Until then, no. He was expected to perform great given his talent and abilities and while he performed well, he has much more to show.

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Tomori won the Goal of the Season award (vs Wolves).

Gilmour won the Academy Player of the Season award.

The Men's Player of the Season award will be announced at 5pm UK time today. 

[Jase 43,479]

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/08/25/player-of-the-season--mateo-kovacic

Kovacic won the Player of the Season award...  

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/08/25/player-of-the-season--mateo-kovacic

Kovacic won the Player of the Season award...  

Face palm? Really? 😂😂😂