manpe 10,861 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Robguima said: Yeah my original point wasn't even so much about green, but merely how lack of ambition is not health in the extremely competitive business of professional football and at the highest level at that. Concerning my aggressiveness, perhaps I've been able to "keep some of that aggression in my late life" - ironic. FYI I tend to edit my posts several times after posting, it's like an OCD I can't help it. You might want to reread some of them, I've corrected some wordings to better reflect what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 He should have come out and called the manager, the board and everyone at the club twats instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said: He should have come out and called the manager, the board and everyone at the club twats instead! No, he couldn't and he wouldn't and that was exactly my point before: this is just PR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Robguima said: No, he couldn't and he wouldn't and that was exactly my point before: this is just PR Speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Robguima said: No, he couldn't and he wouldn't and that was exactly my point before: this is just PR Yeah, obviously because the Mikel brand is HUGE around the world and needs to be maintained! No, it was a nice-guy reply and it was just nice to read a grounded (in many ways old-school) reply rather than the usual diva attitudes that most players at this level tend to have nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, manpe said: Speculation. Perhaps but in my view I am the non-believer and others are the ones speculating - believing words at face value when a lot if at stake. Does he employ an agent? Isn't part of his agent's job help with what he say or not to the press? Is this speculation or I am basing my opinion on something I know agents are involved in? Does he run everything he says by the club also? I don't know but he might. Wouldn't surprise me. Have you ever refrained yourself from saying something about your employer or employer's customer, just because it wasn't proper even if true? Happens all the fucking time. @CHOULO19 are you kidding me?! his agent won't ever stop chatting with the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Robguima said: Perhaps but in my view I am the non-believer and others are the ones speculating - believing words at face value when a lot if at stake. Does he employ an agent? Isn't part of his agent's job help with what he say or not to the press? Is this speculation or I am basing my opinion on something I know agents are involved in? Does he run everything he says by the club also? I don't know but he might. Wouldn't surprise me. Have you ever refrained yourself from saying something about your employer or employer's customer, just because it wasn't proper even if true? Happens all the fucking time. @CHOULO19 are you kidding me?! his agent won't ever stop chatting with the press. Yes, they have PR help, but we cannot know if what they say in particular cases was calculated or just said impromptu to a journalist asking. In any case, if he is bullshitting, then Courtois should hire his agent, think we all can agree on that. robsblubot and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 @Robguima let it go, mate. When you can't even bare someone saying "hey, it was nice that Mikel said that very respectful thing", you might have an irrational hate of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said: @Robguima let it go, mate. When you can't even bare someone saying "hey, it was nice that Mikel said that very respectful thing", you might have an irrational hate of him. quite on the contrary: as a person I've heard really great things of him during the olympics... a class act. Still it has nothing to do with football, agents, or PR. There is nothing irrational about my dislike of him as a player: I have very clear in my mind the things he doesn't do and I wish he did (quite a few). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Robguima said: fair enough no the other top teams are not exclusively comprised of demanding superstars, neither do they have any player as passive and comfortable as mikel. That's where we mostly disagree: I think mikel is very greedy. I think he only cares about money and that's the only reason he's stayed. Now if you believe player love clubs, I'm not going to stop you. I do not base my judgment on what they say whatsoever. Most of it is very well thought out, often with the blessing of the club and most certainly input from their agent. What is he supposed to say? I wish I could play more, but no other club will give me 75K a week, so I rather sit on the bench or not even that, than play in a smaller club for far lower wages - have you seriously ever heard a player say anything like this? Real Madrid had Arbeloa for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Drogba 2,000 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 hours ago, The Skipper said: Real Madrid had Arbeloa for years. Arbeloa may not seem like one but he is a very passionate player. Casillas: " Arbeloa is a leader in the dressing room and when he speaks, you listen”. I have also seen pre-game footage that supports what Casillas says. Passive and comfortable players are more common in British teams in my opinion, because fans are more forgiving and less demanding than Spanish or Italian fans. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilander 35 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Someone says that Mikel Obi deserves starter in the club, but if Mikel Obi is good engouh, why Chelsea FC buy Matic then Kante? Without doubts, his good performance in UCL 2012 final helped Chelsea to win first-ever title, however, Mikel is uni-functional for Bus-parking defence style. Now Chelsea FC is no longer Bus-parking team, his sluggish movement causes him totally fail to fit Conte's 343/352 formation. It is suggested that he should transfer out. If Mikel Obi is good engouh, why Chelsea FC buy Matic then Kante. Without doubts, his good performance in UCL 2012 final helped Chelsea to win first-ever title, however, Mikel is uni-functional for Bus-parking defence style. Now Chelsea FC is no longer Bus-parking team, his sluggish movement causes him totally fail to fit Conte's 343/352 formation. It is suggested that he should transfer out. If Mikel Obi is good engouh, why Chelsea FC buy Matic then Kante. Without doubts, his good performance in UCL 2012 final helped Chelsea to win first-ever title, however, Mikel is uni-functional for Bus-parking defence style. Now Chelsea FC is no longer Bus-parking team, his sluggish movement causes him totally fail to fit Conte's 343/352 formation. It is suggested that he should transfer out. blueblood22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 4 hours ago, wilander said: Someone says that Mikel Obi deserves starter in the club Who says? blueblood22, wilander and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 8 hours ago, wilander said: Someone says that Mikel Obi deserves starter in the club, but if Mikel Obi is good engouh, why Chelsea FC buy Matic then Kante? Nobody says this lol. wilander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Still the greatest player this club has ever seen. wilander, The Skipper and Despiadado.Maleante 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilander 35 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 http://www.nairaland.com/3018619/new-super-eagles-thread-russia/227 Sb copy my message, and some Nigerian fans challenge him (about my idea - If Mikel is good enough, why Chelsea buy Matic and Kante), they reply that if Makelele and Essien is good enough, why Chelsea buy Mikel! Those Nigerian fans are very stupid - Mikel was just a substitute for Makelele and Essien (Actually, Mikel is AMC not DMC). Health Mikel cannot challenge the starter position of either health Makelele and health Essien. Now, health Mikel cannot challenge the starter position of either health Matic and Kante. Those Nigerian says that Mikel helped Chelsea to win UCL, but Matic and Kante can't (This is fact!). But if you only count the history, Liverpool FC >>> Chelsea FC, those Nigerian should support LFC rather than CFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfan89 97 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Linked with Marseille in January. http://www.espnfc.us/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/2985321/john-obi-mikel-to-switch-chelsea-for-marseille wilander and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilander 35 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 hours ago, volfan89 said: Linked with Marseille in January. http://www.espnfc.us/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/2985321/john-obi-mikel-to-switch-chelsea-for-marseille Hope that Mikel Obi can successfully transfer to another club and will have good performance. (For my selfish wish, I want him to go because Chelsea have Kante, Matic and future star Chalobah.) But I am worried that Emenalo will use his privilege to keep Mikel Obi in the team. the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 7 hours ago, wilander said: http://www.nairaland.com/3018619/new-super-eagles-thread-russia/227 Sb copy my message, and some Nigerian fans challenge him (about my idea - If Mikel is good enough, why Chelsea buy Matic and Kante), they reply that if Makelele and Essien is good enough, why Chelsea buy Mikel! Those Nigerian fans are very stupid - Mikel was just a substitute for Makelele and Essien (Actually, Mikel is AMC not DMC). Health Mikel cannot challenge the starter position of either health Makelele and health Essien. Now, health Mikel cannot challenge the starter position of either health Matic and Kante. Those Nigerian says that Mikel helped Chelsea to win UCL, but Matic and Kante can't (This is fact!). But if you only count the history, Liverpool FC >>> Chelsea FC, those Nigerian should support LFC rather than CFC. Don't read that dross, they are biased to the core and not Chelsea fans. Their logic is super flawed. Mikel is their legend and they worship the man, it has very little to do with his footballing abilities. wilander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Let's see him in the new formation. He was always a CAM forced to play CDM. Get him out there and take the shackles off! Let's see the Mikel that plays for Nigeria, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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