🇳🇬 Mikel John Obi

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Sure since when has one MF player managed to stop players like Ribery, Robben and Muller who constantly interchanged and popped up wherever they wanted to? Would like to know, even Sergio Busquets the best holder in the world struggled against them in the next year when they played a much more disciplined style before they reached the final. They created 34 chances that night against us, a team Robbie set up which we were happy to let them come and shoot from 30 yards out and try to create a lot of 'clear cut chances' when it was obvious they would struggle against a very low block. I'll say it again, Mikel gave his best performance for us that night and I stand by that hes our best holding player since Maka. Sure he didn't play in the Europa League final but we were abysmal in the Europa League final, MF was all over the place, had no real control on the game at all so to say that him not playing in that game is justified or even trying to hint at it is a stupid move given how bad our MF was.

So Mikel's greatest performance came in a game when the whole team was set up to defend.

Jose Bosingwa probably had his best performance that night. It's an absolute joke to use a one-off performance where we simply looked to stop a team and pray for luck to go our way as the best example of Mikel's use to us now. And the fact the he's been our 'best holding player since Make' is one of the reasons we've won just one league title in that time.

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He is an absoulte joke. I can't handle him anymore. Why is he getting minutes. He has that lazy mentality I can't digest. He is so shit

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So Mikel's greatest performance came in a game when the whole team was set up to defend.

Jose Bosingwa probably had his best performance that night. It's an absolute joke to use a one-off performance where we simply looked to stop a team and pray for luck to go our way as the best example of Mikel's use to us now. And the fact the he's been our 'best holding player since Make' is one of the reasons we've won just one league title in that time.

What's really interesting is that his fanclub single hiim out as the GREATEST PLAYER ON THE PITCH in the CL. No-one mentions DD's tireless working upfront on his own or his defending despite being a striker. No-one mentions Frank helping out every player on the pitch and chasing down every loose ball. No-one mentions Ash 's refusal to be intimidated and his relentless pressure on their players. All intangible stuff. All taken for-granted. IT IS EXPECTED.

Mikel's best performance is one in which every attacking player is defending. Says it all.

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So some vague stuff then.Nothing concrete to show he had a better game than any of the other players on the pitch who all stood up to be counted to a man.

Ash. Frank. DD. Cech.But it's expected of those guys is it not? It's almost the norm for those guys to be stellar so it's let slide. Mikel was praised cause no-one thought he had it in him to stand up and be counted. Exception rather than the rule.

No he was praised because he was excellent on the ball while most of our players couldn't keep the ball under Bayern's pressing. Keep twisting it which ever way you want, but you can't change the fact that Mikel has been part of our success in the past 5-6 years and he's put in some big performances in some big matches along the way to help us win the trophies we have won.

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No he was praised because he was excellent on the ball while most of our players couldn't keep the ball under Bayern's pressing. Keep twisting it which ever way you want, but you can't change the fact that Mikel has been part of our success in the past 5-6 years and he's put in some big performances in some big matches along the way to help us win the trophies we have won.

Right and here you go off on another tangent. Just start deflecting and hope people tire of your rambling. What am I twisting here exactly.? I simply asked what makes him the stand -out player in the CL.

Did I say he played no part whatsoever?No.

Did I question his involvement in any other trophy we have won at the club?NO.

He had an 88%passing range. Did not keep the ball all that well now did he?

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Right and here you go off on another tangent. Just start deflecting and hope people tire of your rambling. What am I twisting here exactly.? I simply asked what makes him the stand -out player in the CL.

Did I say he played no part whatsoever?No.

Did I question his involvement in any other trophy we have won at the club?NO.

He had an 88%passing range. Did not keep the ball all that well now did he?

Read your post again:

So some vague stuff then.Nothing concrete to show he had a better game than any of the other players on the pitch who all stood up to be counted to a man.

Ash. Frank. DD. Cech.But it's expected of those guys is it not? It's almost the norm for those guys to be stellar so it's let slide. Mikel was praised cause no-one thought he had it in him to stand up and be counted. Exception rather than the rule.

If you don't see the twisting of logic and logical fallacies in decrediting Mikel then I give up.

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No he was praised because he was excellent on the ball while most of our players couldn't keep the ball under Bayern's pressing.

That's not true in the slightest though is it. In that game, Lamps kept hold of the ball better and also worked his arse off defensively. In fact the whole team put in a shift whilst Mikel was very much his normal self.

Bonus question - who was the player slow in closing down the crosser for Muller's 83rd minute goal?

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Read your post again:

If you don't see the twisting of logic and logical fallacies in decrediting Mikel then I give up.

'Decrediting' Mikel? So if one does not fawn and drool over Mikel's performance and says other players did just as well, it is talking down Mikel's performance?

There there petal.

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That's not true in the slightest though is it. In that game, Lamps kept hold of the ball better and also worked his arse off defensively. In fact the whole team put in a shift whilst Mikel was very much his normal self - average.

Bonus question - who was the player slow in closing down the crosser for Muller's 83rd minute goal?

It is true. And that's what everyone was saying after the next day, not just my opinion. Here, watch it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0LamBfOyBc

You thought MIkel was average, which is your right, but the vast majority of Chelsea fans thought he was excellent. And you can go back and see what everyone wrote here on any other Chelsea forum after the match.

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Appeal to the masses. IT MUST BE TRUE.Discussion closed.

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It is true. And that's what everyone was saying after the next day, not just my opinion. Here, watch it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0LamBfOyBc

You thought MIkel was average, which is your right, but the vast majority of Chelsea fans thought he was excellent. And you can go back and see what everyone wrote here on any other Chelsea forum after the match.

I'm actually watching it now. Mikel's finest defensive performance came in a game where we constantly looked to get 9-10 players behind the ball whenever Bayern were in possession. Mikel did nothing exceptional in that game and we won because of luck and because Bayern's finishing was absolutely atrocious.

And the fact that ONE performance in 2012 is all his supporters can point to is precisely why he's viewed the way he is. He's a passenger. He always has been.

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'Decrediting' Mikel? So if one does not fawn and drool over Mikel's performance and says other players did just as well, it is talking down Mikel's performance?

There there petal.

Saying the he "was praised cause no-one thought he had it in him to stand up and be counted" is like the definition of decrediting

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I'm actually watching it now. Mikel's finest defensive performance came in a game where we constantly looked to get 9-10 players behind the ball whenever Bayern were in possession. Mikel did nothing exceptional in that game and we won because of luck and because Bayern's finishing was absolutely atrocious.

And the fact that ONE performance in 2012 is all his supporters can point to is precisely why he's viewed the way he is. He's a passenger. He always has been.

Of course everyone points to that match, that was the most important match in the history of the club. But you want big performances in big matches? See the FA cup final a few days before Munich. See the performances against the "top 4" in the 09-10 season, especially the games against Arsenal. More than 300 appearances for the club under some of the best managers in the world. You can call him what you want but you can't change that he's part of our success in recent years and has been a great servant to the club over the past 7-8 years.

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Saying the he "was praised cause no-one thought he had it in him to stand up and be counted" is like the definition of decrediting

Stands to reason that the over the top praise would be cause it's something supporters had not witnessed before. Again why are the likes of Frank,DD,Ash not praised for something as vague as 'Mikel gave players an outlet'or some such jazz?

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That's not true in the slightest though is it. In that game, Lamps kept hold of the ball better and also worked his arse off defensively.

Yeah but Mikel did pretty turns with the ball and stuff.....

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Stands to reason that the over the top praise would be cause it's something supporters had not witnessed before. Again why are the likes of Frank,DD,Ash not praised for something as vague as 'Mikel gave players an outlet'or some such jazz?

Because that is the job of the holding midfielder? But for the record, Didier always got praise for being an outlet for pressure, because we would just hoof the ball forward to him and he would win it to release the pressure and allow us to reorganize at the back. I always say that Didier was a key component in our brick wall defense during his time here especially in the Jose era (for that and for the amazing job he does at defending set-pieces).

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No he was praised because he was excellent on the ball while most of our players couldn't keep the ball under Bayern's pressing. Keep twisting it which ever way you want, but you can't change the fact that Mikel has been part of our success in the past 5-6 years and he's put in some big performances in some big matches along the way to help us win the trophies we have won.

So we can't criticize Mikel in the city game because everyone played really bad, but we can single him out in a game where everyone played really well and give him the lime light when it was Lampard who made all those vital interceptions and cleared the ball out of the box more times than the average centre back.

[Henrique 9,133]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at. You act as if Matic is no better than Mikel but then you say this:

I don't get it. That is my main point, but yet it seems like you want to disagree with me at the same time for the sake of it.

Thank you!

I really dont know what you are finding hard to understand. My point is very simple: a better player doesn't always play better than a worse one, and sometimes the "worse" is "better" for what a team needs. We had many examples in the past. Just take a look at Shevchenko or Torres. They were proven players in their clubs but the just failed to produce the performance people were expecting.

So, as the other guy said, Matic was one of the best players in portuguese league, but I dont mind, because he needs to be a good player for Chelsea, and what I'm trying to say, and I expect you will understand now is: how big is Matic impact in the team? Whats the difference between having Matic or Mikel as our DM in terms of results? The best example was our team last season. Mata, Oscar and Hazard. Really fun to watch sometimes, you cant deny they have better technics than Kalou, Malouda, Anelka, but at the end of the day Mazacar were no better than Kalouda/Anelka/Malouda.

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So we can't criticize Mikel in the city game because everyone played really bad, but we can single him out in a game where everyone played really well and give him the lime light when it was Lampard who made all those vital interceptions and cleared the ball out of the box more times than the average centre back.

Lol Who says you can't criticize him? You can say whatever you want about him and you have said whatever you wanted about him. That's your opinion. But like wise, I have the right to point out that he is being singled out and getting slatted much more than players that played much worse than him in the same game and express my opinion that he (and Luiz) is being scapegoated, yet again, for a bad team performance.

Plus, no one has ever singled Mikel out in the CL final. All the lads were heroes and, for me, if you're going to single someone out it has to be Petr. That match just comes up because it is obviously the most memorable response to the factually incorrect claims that John can't perform at the highest levels or in the biggest games or that the team can't win trophies with him in it.