Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 why not, Essien is just an average midfielder now, haven't seen much of Romeu since his poor olympics showing and Meireles isn't really a DM....hence our only DM in the first team is Mikel, which is quite frightening.were gona have to use romeu and essien because mierles is gona be out of the door, and the price of new top class dm is too much to spend in one window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLionheart 516 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Kalou , Bosingwa and Malouda were usually bashed and criticized by fans , they simply deserved it .. Mikel now is our most bashed and criticized player , and rightly so , replace mikel with someone like a prime essien or tiote and 50% of our problems are gone , he regularly gives position away , incapable of making the simplest of forward passes , no pace , no drive , no mobility and his positioning is really questionable at times.Ivanovic is certainly at fault , but IMO it's mikel who has cost us the game and will continue to do so  ,  Romeu over him everyday of the week . RamiCFC9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazyB 58 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Good callWho would you play alongside Mikel then, if not lamps?He does break up play, but was a little sloppy today at times...I don't think our squad has any prime time passers, that can also put in a defensive shift. We all know MRLSH is average, Josh isnt experienced and flimsy, Oscar can dictate play but I would hate too see his composure in tight spaces go to waste and we don't know if he can be that effective from deep. We are going to have this problem until we buy a new CM, which I don't think will happen until next season after Lampard leaves the club on a free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 It is quite amazing how people can be so affirmed about Mikel after one game. He wasn't class yesterday yes but nor were 75% of the team. To me it's so naive that he's scapegoated for the loss. It's easy to pick on Mikel because he doesn't score/assist regularly but still... Some perspective needed IMO. It's quite dumb to write off a player based on one game IMO. I wonder if Torres would've been slaughtered on here too if he had the same game but just didn't score. My bet is that people would be crying for the board to press the panic button and buy Falcao or Cavani or whatever. We'll see anyway. RDM has faith in Mikel and sees him as his first choice, we've rarely been linked with a DM... That's all that matters to me. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What, Kalou and Bosingwa are no longer Chelsea players? Malouda never even gets a game? Sturridge and Torres played a part in the goals? Hmm ... who shall we point the finger at? Step up, John Mikel Obi. We have our man. Beigl, TorontoChelsea, zolayes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What, Kalou and Bosingwa are no longer Chelsea players? Malouda never even gets a game? Sturridge and Torres played a part in the goals? Hmm ... who shall we point the finger at? Step up, John Mikel Obi. We have our man.Yeah, it's going to be Lampard and Mikel as the popular scapegoats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Kalou , Bosingwa and Malouda were usually bashed and criticized by fans , they simply deserved it ..Mikel now is our most bashed and criticized player , and rightly so , replace mikel with someone like a prime essien or tiote and 50% of our problems are gone , he regularly gives position away , incapable of making the simplest of forward passes , no pace , no drive , no mobility and his positioning is really questionable at times.Ivanovic is certainly at fault , but IMO it's mikel who has cost us the game and will continue to do so , Romeu over him everyday of the week .50% of the problem is an overstatement for me.Ivanovic is not a natural right back, Terry is past his prime and is slower and slower. Mikel and Lampard playing deep in midfield is not good.I remember Gerrad Lampard in the midfield playing for England in the world cup 2006, it was awful. Good players but they were not used to play in that system.The team lacks mobility in the back and in the deeper positions in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 For all the fellas saying we are making Mikel the new "scapegoat", DID YOU ACTUALLY SAW HIM PLAY. WTF He was like 10 times worst then every other player on the pitch.There was like 20 minutes period of time (early second half) when he didn't touch the ball even once, which for DM is fuking JOKE.Football forums are so fuking pointless really and prime example is this thread. BLionheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He deserves the benefit of the doubt. Should be given more chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He´s very underrated by Chelsea Fans but he has one of the best passing accuracy and tackling qoute in the BPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLionheart 516 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What, Kalou and Bosingwa are no longer Chelsea players? Malouda never even gets a game? Sturridge and Torres played a part in the goals? Hmm ... who shall we point the finger at? Step up, John Mikel Obi. We have our man.He has exclusively owned those rights to be our worst man , as soon as he is out we are a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLionheart 516 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 50% of the problem is an overstatement for me.Ivanovic is not a natural right back, Terry is past his prime and is slower and slower. Mikel and Lampard playing deep in midfield is not good.I remember Gerrad Lampard in the midfield playing for England in the world cup 2006, it was awful. Good players but they were not used to play in that system.The team lacks mobility in the back and in the deeper positions in midfield.The team doesn't lack mobility in the back , only JT is not mobile enough and he can be covered by Luiz , Iva and Cole who are all very mobile for defenders , the problem is in deeper positions in midfield as you said.The combination of a double pivot is always a (ball winner,defense protector) and a (ball distributor,deep play-maker) , that's Mikel and Lamps but unfortunately Mikel doesn't win any balls and doesn't add any help to the defense , that's not lampard's fault ....Mikel can't make the simplest of passes under-pressure , and can't retain possession when pressed by opponents , i don't think that's Lampard's fault ......Lampard is not a very good deep lying playmaker but he is average , Mikel on the other hand is average he is well below that !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He has exclusively owned those rights to be our worst man , as soon as he is out we are a lot better.Nuh-uh. Too simplistic, that's all I'm gonna say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He has exclusively owned those rights to be our worst man , as soon as he is out we are a lot better.Completely wrong. Actually Mikel returned to the team when AVB left, and it is needless to say that the team has become much better since. I am in no way attributing the success to Mikel's presence, just saying that your claim is wrong.Regarding yesterday, wasn't Mikel's best game by far, but the criticism is way over the top. First we were out numbered in midfield and thanks to Lampard's bad performance Mikel was left alone against 3 mancity midfielders. He lost the ball quite a few times, that's a fact, but I don't think he, or any other DM, could have done much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Completely wrong. Actually Mikel returned to the team when AVB left, and it is needless to say that the team has become much better since. I am no way attributing the success to Mikel's presence, just saying that your claim wrong.This statement is wrong. It isn't because Mikel has returned to the team that we were better once André Villas-Boas has been sacked. We were shit under the portuguesh because a bunch of players, with Lampard at their helm, wanted badly to sack him. Once he wasn't here anymore, they didn't have any reason to keep playing passionless and effortlessly. That's how the truth is. BLionheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 This statement is wrong. It isn't because Mikel has returned to the team that we were better once André Villas-Boas has been sacked. We were shit under the portuguesh because a bunch of players, with Lampard at their helm, wanted badly to sack him. Once he wasn't here anymore, they didn't have any reason to keep playing passionless and effortlessly. That's how the truth is.I did not say he caused our success!Completely wrong. Actually Mikel returned to the team when AVB left, and it is needless to say that the team has become much better since. I am no way attributing the success to Mikel's presence, just saying that your claim wrong.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I did not say he caused our success!Bro, I didn't put words in your mouth. We cannot compare our team under AVB and under RDM. Because, under the portuguesh, the players were playing with the aim the get their manager to get sacked ; under RDM, the players played to redeem themselves towards the fan, to prove they were right to sack their coach, and to win the CL. So, whether the team looks better with Mikel or without him, we cannot work it out regarding what happened in the few months following the departure of AVB.I might have misspoken in my previous post ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Bro, I didn't put words in your mouth. We cannot compare our team under AVB and under RDM. Because, under the portuguesh, the players were playing with the aim the get their manager to get sacked ; under RDM, the players played to redeem themselves towards the fan, to prove they were right to sack their coach, and to win the CL. So, whether the team looks better with Mikel or without him, we cannot work it out regarding what happened in the few months following the departure of AVB.I might have misspoken in my previous post !No worries mate. I completely agree with every word in that post. I'm afraid that the effort that our 'old guard' put in last season to prove AVB at fault is misleading to a lot of fans. I have actually spoken to a few of our supporters who actually believe that we are the best team in Europe It was mental strength, imho, and sheer will that won us the CL and FA cup last year, not talent unfortunately. Anyway, my badly worded point in the first post was that the system, and manager, has changed since Mikel was last out of the team, so we cannot say if the team is better or worse without Mikel since he is not the only variable. Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I've seent it! Ok maybe mikel isnt a world class DM. But he is far and away our biggest problem. If we bought tiote, our transition and build up play would still be what is holding us back. So you better get off it, because we won't be seeing another DM this window.And you have the nerve to say I'm a troll?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 To Mikel critics, i would like to see a lists of DMs that you guys prefer over Mikel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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