Timo Werner

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, DDA said:

I know its only headline sensationalism but talks of him quitting the club early are already surfacing... if the club were to perform a miracle and pull off the transfer of Haaland, I wouldn't be surprised if he looked at leaving.

The sources you're talking about are definitely shit and even if we sign Haaland, I don't see how he would really find his spot threatened by him considering he can play on either side of the striker. 

[DDA 9,924]

33 minutes ago, Jason said:

The sources you're talking about are definitely shit and even if we sign Haaland, I don't see how he would really find his spot threatened by him considering he can play on either side of the striker. 

I think he would work well with Haaland but where does this leave Havertz positional wise!!?? 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Just now, DDA said:

I think he would work well with Haaland but where does this leave Havertz positional wise!!?? 

4-4-2 narrow, which Tuchel has played before. (as if we are getting Haaland) 

DM

Mount----Kovacic

Havertz

Haaland --- Werner

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

I think he would work well with Haaland but where does this leave Havertz positional wise!!?? 

You could ask the same about Mount, Ziyech, Pulisic and CHO. It's why I think we need to return to a back 4 next season. Otherwise, it's crazy to have 7-8 players for just 3 positions. Constant rotation with this lot is not going to work forever. 

[Azul 1,615]

41 minutes ago, Jason said:

Look, scoring only 5 goals and missing all those chances in 20+ appearances are bad. Don't think anyone will disagree with that but there's a difference in defending Werner for missing chances and defending Werner for his general performance/play/use, which seems to be the more common discussion around here and I know you have your views of it but that's another debate. 

His fundamental skills is not Chelsea quality to be fair. He was bought to score goals and to get in to good positions, and not for his dribbling/link-up/passing etc. 

How exactly is he useful when he is not even productive in using his main attribute which is scoring? German football experts even said this before he came to Chelsea that he is not a complete forward, but he is a poacher.

I truly believe people that people defending him, basically don't have a leg to stand on. All you guys can say is that his confidence is low, and that this is his first season. All you can do is hope that he get's better, even though he hasn't showed enough to be considered a promising forward for the future.

[NikkiCFC 8,287]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

I know its only headline sensationalism but talks of him quitting the club early are already surfacing... if the club were to perform a miracle and pull off the transfer of Haaland, I wouldn't be surprised if he looked at leaving.

We need to have a couple of German players in the squad to make Kai happy and comfy. Timo, Rudi and we may go for Ginter/Sule.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

7 minutes ago, Azul said:

I truly believe people that people defending him, basically don't have a leg to stand on. All you guys can say is that his confidence is low, and that this is his first season. All you can do is hope that he get's better, even though he hasn't showed enough to be considered a promising forward for the future.

No one should write off a player after one season, especially one as absurd as this. 

[Jase 43,479]

14 minutes ago, Azul said:

His fundamental skills is not Chelsea quality to be fair. He was bought to score goals and to get in to good positions, and not for his dribbling/link-up/passing etc. 

How exactly is he useful when he is not even productive in using his main attribute which is scoring? German football experts even said this before he came to Chelsea that he is not a complete forward, but he is a poacher.

I truly believe people that people defending him, basically don't have a leg to stand on. All you guys can say is that his confidence is low, and that this is his first season. All you can do is hope that he get's better, even though he hasn't showed enough to be considered a promising forward for the future.

If he was the finished article and this is happening, I'd be very concerned (and not talking about him missing chances). But he isn't. He hasn't been great and consistent but he hasn't been a complete disaster either and there are good qualities that he has and things he can work on to improve his overall play. If we're still seeing the same issues this time next season, then we can look at what to do with him in the transfer window etc. Just don't understand this thing about writing players off after only a season every time. 

[Azul 1,615]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

No one should write off a player after one season, especially one as absurd as this. 

I'm not writing him off, I say give him another season. However he should be benched right now, other players like Pulisic are unhappy because they haven't even gotten the opportunity he has.

[Azul 1,615]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

If he was the finished article and this is happening, I'd be very concerned (and not talking about him missing chances). But he isn't. He hasn't been great and consistent but he hasn't been a complete disaster either and there are good qualities that he has and things he can work on to improve his overall play. If we're still seeing the same issues this time next season, then we can look at what to do with him in the transfer window etc. Just don't understand this thing about writing players off after only a season every time. 

I didn't mention once that he should be sold this summer, I just want him to get benched for now. I don't know why he seems to be in everyone's line-up every single week ffs. Give players like Puli and CHO a chance in his position and I'm sure they'll offer more than what he does in his position at the moment.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Azul said:

I didn't mention once that he should be sold this summer, I just want him to get benched for now. I don't know why he seems to be in everyone's line-up every single week ffs. Give players like Puli and CHO a chance in his position and I'm sure they'll offer more than what he does in his position at the moment.

Does it matter what everyone put in their line-up though? It's Tuchel who ultimately picks the team after all.

[Azul 1,615]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Does it matter what everyone put in their line-up though? It's Tuchel who ultimately picks the team after all.

Both matter, because I find it interesting to understand where fans are coming from. We are on a forum to discuss with eachother on what our opinion is right? 

I really think Tuchel has been brought to get Havertz and Werner playing well. Do I have the evidence for it? No, however there shouldn't be a good enough reason for Werner to start week in week out providing everyone's fit.

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Azul said:

Both matter, because I find it interesting to understand where fans are coming from. We are on a forum to discuss with eachother on what our opinion is right? 

Yeah but the views have always been different and we just end up going in circles anyway. lol

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

24 minutes ago, Azul said:

I'm not writing him off, I say give him another season. However he should be benched right now, other players like Pulisic are unhappy because they haven't even gotten the opportunity he has.

Unhappy according to whom? I'll ask you two questions. One,  what warrants him to start over Werner? He fails to make any impact when he is given the opportunity? Havertz seized his opportunity Monday. We got nothing close to that from Pulisic and Ziyech. And two, if a player who is allegedly unhappy for lack of game time, when said player is doing nothing with the opportunities he's given, is this bad apple even worth having in the dressing room? 

We've been undefeated since Tuchel has been appointed, with Werner leading our attack. The outrage is premature. 

[Azul 1,615]

29 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Unhappy according to whom? I'll ask you two questions. One,  what warrants him to start over Werner? He fails to make any impact when he is given the opportunity? Havertz seized his opportunity Monday. We got nothing close to that from Pulisic and Ziyech. And two, if a player who is allegedly unhappy for lack of game time, when said player is doing nothing with the opportunities he's given, is this bad apple even worth having in the dressing room? 

We've been undefeated since Tuchel has been appointed, with Werner leading our attack. The outrage is premature. 

Unhappy according to Fabrizio Romano today. 

I want to ask you a question and please answer me. Do you believe in being matchfit? If so doesn't Pulisic deserve a full match to show his abilities in the Prem? Why judge him when he gets 10 minutes, after he comes off the bench? Furthermore, it's not like Werner is doing much to deserve to start in this team! 5 and 8 assists goals in 27 games in the Premier League!

P.S. we've been undefeated because of how we're defending, and everyone knows we've been struggling to score lately. I blame that largely on Werner to be honest.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Azul