Super Frank Thread

[Vesper 30,088]

Just now, Jason said:

You have people - or rather, someone - suggesting Barkley is better than Mount!

Barkley needs to sold whilst we can still get good money for him

I do not see him becoming a better player out of the blue

at least not here

[Stats 7,136]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

You have people - or rather, someone - suggesting Barkley is better than Mount!

While Barkley has dropped of, it is not as absurd as suggesting Gallagher is better than Mount as he is a full England international but generally speaking, yes I agree with you. I guarantee it will take 2-3 games for CHO to pick up some form then there will be sudden calls for him to be starting regularly....

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13 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Oh don't get me wrong I am by no means saying they don't deserve to be critisized, but writing them off when they've already shown themselves to be quality players at this level is absurd. It's hardly a Patrick Bamford case where he looked out of his depth (at PL level) from day dot.

Form is going to fluctuate with these lads at this age, Pulisic after a period of looking genuinely on Hazard's level is slowing down a bit again. At some point we will see the Mount of August and September again. 

I agree

I am more concerned about tactics atm

we are in a massive rut overall

I also think there is a true 800-pound Gorilla in the room

Kante

what is his role here

what position does he most benefit the team in

and at what point is he so much of a square peg round hole IF we continue to try and play him higher (which is an utter waste of his talents and his best role IMHO) do we start to consider selling him, as he is not getting any younger

Of course I will be burnt alive for even bringing the subject up at even the most slightest and initial levels

I find it strange that we are often overrun in MF yet we have who once was the worlds best best DMF on our team

sure Sarri got him to be more expansive, but there are 50 MFers who can go forward at the same level he does

there were NO MF'ers in the world who could utterly disrupt a game like he could, he was a force of nature

now he is hit and miss

he was atrocious against Bournemouth, it was his worst game ever for us (that I can recall)

I have zero doubts he is still the same player of 2015-2018, but we are not using him that way

if we do not, then he is a £125m luxury player for a side like ours atm

it is like taking van Dijk and forcing him to play wingback

taking Hazard and forcing him to play a false nine, oh....... wait...

 

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13 minutes ago, Stats said:

While Barkley has dropped of, it is not as absurd as suggesting Gallagher is better than Mount as he is a full England international but generally speaking, yes I agree with you. I guarantee it will take 2-3 games for CHO to pick up some form then there will be sudden calls for him to be starting regularly....

IF CHO picks up form and Willian continues his turgid downward slide, then anyone NOT suggesting we give CHO a go for a few is just being silly

we do not have Liverpool's front 3

nor Spud's front 3 (now that Moura seems to be the starting RWer for the year)

we do not have any etched in stone places on the team (nope, not even Kante, not the position we play him at), other than Kepa (and a decent backup would be giving him a hard time atm) and Rudiger (when healthy)

Kovacic should be, he has been our best overall player so far this season, and I expect Reece to soon be too, hopefully by next season

[Nicco 927]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Gallagher is playing in the Championship

let's seem him do it at big boy level before we start comparing him to Mount

What has Mount done exactly at a big boy level except starting this season to think Gallagher can't do? Mount has been beyond useless in the last few games, any other manager and he wouldn't even feature in the squad if not for uncle Lampard. I see the myth he is a goal scorer, yeah as consistent and threatening as Oscar was here. Mount can only dream of reaching the heights Barkley has shown at his best. Mount is easily the worst youngster in our batch and most overrated here a jack of all trades master at nothing.

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1 minute ago, Nicco said:

What has Mount done exactly at a big boy level except starting this season to think Gallagher can't do? Mount has been beyond useless in the last few games, any other manager and he wouldn't even feature in the squad if not for uncle Lampard. I see the myth he is a goal scorer, yeah as consistent and threatening as Oscar was here. Mount can only dream of reaching the heights Barkley has shown at his best. Mount is easily the worst youngster in our batch and most overrated here a jack of all trades master at nothing.

way too harsh

and Barkley has been a flop

Mount needs more time

he has been pure shit lately, but I expect him to snap out of it

Barkley needs to be sold this summer

his career has been a bust overall

hopefully Mount doesn't end up the same or worse

 

[killer1257 3,282]

Mount reminds me of Oscar. Great at pressing and pretty good at shooting. That's it. Zero creativity, which is something needed to make a good no. 10 and is also needed here at Chelsea because we don't have Creative players.

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[Tomo 21,751]

5 minutes ago, Nicco said:

What has Mount done exactly at a big boy level except starting this season to think Gallagher can't do? 

Are you waiting for Reece's first blip to tell us all Dujon Sterlings better?

[Tomo 21,751]

Just to add further context these were Mount's stats upto and including the Liverpool game. There's no denying he's been average to poor recently, but you think a start like this alone would buy anyone new to the league some time, let alone a 20 year old homegrown kid.

And we have the cheek to moan at Roman for supposedly being impatient, some of our fanbase make him look as patient as the guy who decided to stick by SAF.

[Nicco 927]

12 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Are you waiting for Reece's first blip to tell us all Dujon Sterlings better?

So you can't respond to the question, not surprised people don't even know what to say about Mount except he is a "goal threat", and linking midfield to attack gimmick.

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1 minute ago, Nicco said:

So you can't respond to the question, not surprised people don't even know what to say about Mount except he is a "goal threat", and linking midfield to attack gimmick

I actually have in my post just now.

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Just to add further context these were Mount's stats upto and including the Liverpool game. There's no denying he's been average to poor recently, but you think a start like this alone would buy anyone new to the league some time, let alone a 20 year old homegrown kid.

And we have the cheek to moan at Roman for supposedly being impatient, some of our fanbase make him look as patient as the guy who decided to stick by SAF.

 

[Nicco 927]

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Just to add further context these were Mount's stats upto and including the Liverpool game. There's no denying he's been average to poor recently, but you think a start like this alone would buy anyone new to the league some time, let alone a 20 year old homegrown kid.

And we have the cheek to moan at Roman for supposedly being impatient, some of our fanbase make him look as patient as the guy who decided to stick by SAF.

Those stats are from the first 5-7 matches when Jorgingo and Kovacic were doing everything in the midfield, and everything was clicking, what has he done since then? 

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Nicco said:

Those stats are from the first 5-7 matches when Jorgingo and Kovacic were doing everything in the midfield, and everything was clicking, what has he done since then? 

Everything was clicking? Did you see our results in August? 

Point is he came in and was for two months one of our better players, surely that alone earns him a bit of patience through his first serious sticky spell in his entire career? That's the exact thing we'd be saying about a player who was new to the league from abroad for big money, so why can't that apply to a 20 year old HG lad?

[Nicco 927]

13 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Everything was clicking? Did you see our results in August? 

Point is he came in and was for two months one of our better players, surely that alone earns him a bit of patience through his first serious sticky spell in his entire career? That's the exact thing we'd be saying about a player who was new to the league from abroad for big money, so why can't that apply to a 20 year old HG lad?

He plays full matches so either he shows something for it or he gets rightfully criticized. Pulisic was thrown on the bench when he was just finding his feet so what exactly warrants this guy starting and playing full matches since lately it looks like were playing in 10 men right now with him. Lampard is definitely obsessed with playing him, no explication on why he should start and not try Barkley he can't possibly be worse. 

Whats your point we should have patience with him and continue playing him until he suddenly gets half good again? Lampard is definitively biased with this guy and I don't understand why, he dropped Tomori for no reason but keeps playing Mount.

[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, Nicco said:

He plays full matches so either he shows something for it or he gets rightfully criticized. Pulisic was thrown on the bench when he was just finding his feet so what exactly warrants this guy starting and playing full matches since lately it looks like were playing in 10 men right now with him. Lampard is definitely obsessed with playing him, no explication on why he should start and not try Barkley he can't possibly be worse. 

Whats your point we should have patience with him and continue playing him until he suddenly gets half good again? Lampard is definitively biased with this guy and I don't understand why, he dropped Tomori for no reason but keeps playing Mount.

I've already said he shouldn't be immune to criticism or even took out the side, it's writing him off totally I've taken exception too (that's what I mean by patience). Similar was being said about Pulisic in September and Tammy after Istanbul.

And Mount has been dropped in 3 of our last 7 games, we're not exactly talking a Jose/Ivanovic situation.