Jorginho

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14 minutes ago, Jason said:

I watched the game again earlier and noticed that the players were ball watching for all the Arsenal chances and goals. Nobody tracked the runners and everyone just went AWOL and allowed Arsenal players to have a free run inside the box. Instead of marking players, we're marking zonally. The Iwobi goal is a prime example. Also, the space between Luiz and Alonso is a problem. There were couple of instances where Arsenal cut us open by just simply playing balls into the space between them. Doesn't happen a lot, if at all, on the opposite side, which says something. That needs to be addressed ASAP.

Unfortunately both Alonso and Luiz are terrible defensively, but among our best when we are in possession. Its a dilemma we must face. 

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5 hours ago, Jason said:

The space between Luiz and Alonso is a problem. There were couple of instances where Arsenal cut us open by just simply playing balls into the space between them. Doesn't happen a lot, if at all, on the opposite side, which says something. That needs to be addressed ASAP.

From what I've seen of Sarri's Napoli, the FB will go out to challenge the winger and the other 3 defenders will be in the box almost like a3 CB (because they shift to the ball side so much).

That's not the best video of it, I forget which one I saw that showed it in-game.

I think that gap being exploited more on the left vs the right isn't just down to Luiz and Alonso vs Azpi and Rudiger.  That's also Pedro and Kante vs Barkley and Willian

 

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4 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

From what I've seen of Sarri's Napoli, the FB will go out to challenge the winger and the other 3 defenders will be in the box almost like a3 CB (because they shift to the ball side so much).

That's not the best video of it, I forget which one I saw that showed it in-game.

I think that gap being exploited more on the left vs the right isn't just down to Luiz and Alonso vs Azpi and Rudiger.  That's also Pedro and Kante vs Barkley and Willian

 

His Napoli team without the ball, the defence would be narrow and try make the opposition play in the wings to get crosses in because with Kouliably and Albiol and another fullback when the other one goes out to challenge they would always be favourites in the air because the two CBs were extremely dominant in that aspect and they'd have their sitting midfield player tucked in at the penalty spot. Its interesting because in that regard if the ball comes in from Azpi's side, Rudiger, Luiz and Alonso are all very strong in the air for high crosses. Azpi is a bit shorter, although still solid enough in the air but hasnt got the height advantage (I know this sounds a lot like Mourinho wanting 4 6 ft plus defenders haha) but I think low cut backs will be a big issue for us this season if the centre backs and DM aren't in sync and have that awareness of the space where it could be extremely dangerous, particularly if MF runners are going to come if off the back of Jorginho, Kante and whoever plays that 3rd position.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

His Napoli team without the ball, the defence would be narrow and try make the opposition play in the wings to get crosses in because with Kouliably and Albiol and another fullback when the other one goes out to challenge they would always be favourites in the air because the two CBs were extremely dominant in that aspect and they'd have their sitting midfield player tucked in at the penalty spot. Its interesting because in that regard if the ball comes in from Azpi's side, Rudiger, Luiz and Alonso are all very strong in the air for high crosses. Azpi is a bit shorter, although still solid enough in the air but hasnt got the height advantage (I know this sounds a lot like Mourinho wanting 4 6 ft plus defenders haha) but I think low cut backs will be a big issue for us this season if the centre backs and DM aren't in sync and have that awareness of the space where it could be extremely dangerous, particularly if MF runners are going to come if off the back of Jorginho, Kante and whoever plays that 3rd position.

That's what I thought.

I think the cutbacks will be sorted out, i'm not worried.  They've had such little time on the training pitch.  The French and Belgian players have only been back for 2-3 weeks. 

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5 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

That's what I thought.

I think the cutbacks will be sorted out, i'm not worried.  They've had such little time on the training pitch.  The French and Belgian players have only been back for 2-3 weeks. 

I think Jorginho is still maybe not 100% sure of the speed of the PL compared to Italy in defensive situations. Maybe not. Hes not very quick but he should be able to read those things and get in positions to prevent them. Maybe it was just individual errors but it happened a lot. 

I'm more concerned with Luiz in that back line more than anything but thats a different story altogether because as a player he has got a tendency to doze off a lot, which at 31 for a guy whos played for Chelsea, Brazil, PSG, Benfica... shouldn't be happening a lot but it has in his career. 

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Just now, OneMoSalah said:

I think Jorginho is still maybe not 100% sure of the speed of the PL in terms of Italy in defensive situations. Maybe not. Hes not very quick but he should be able to read those things and get in positions to prevent them. 

Im more concerned with Luiz in that back line more than anything but thats a different story altogether because as a player he has got a tendency to doze off a lot, which at 31 for a guy whos played for Chelsea, Brazil, PSG... shouldn't be happening a lot but it has in his career. 

I know we have the results right now, but I think we're only really 50-60% of the way there.  I'm still in the mind-set that we're looking at Oct/Nov before things are clicking.  We're seeing improvements every week.  At the start is was a move or 2 would look in synch.  Against Arsenal it was 20 minutes.  The second half was hard to judge because Arsenal kind of stopped playing and sat deep looking for a draw.  We have a long way to go still.

I know Luiz has his moments.  But, I'm not convinced that Albiol is better and Napoli had a solid defensive record.  We'll get there.  Right now, I'm going to hold off on worrying about personnel (Bakayoko aside, that was painfully obvious).  We need training ground reps more than anything right now.  

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14 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

 

Was just going to post this. Excellent vid.

I honestly cant believe our midfield at the moment, We have needed creative players of Jorgis and Mats class for such a long time. We were relying on Cescy to give us it and no matter how much I love the guy hes sadly dropped off and we were crying out for a upgrade. Specially in a Sarri team.

Jorgi gives much more than a spot on pass. He's got the mind of a chess master..

And the thing is that Mat K can fill in for him if that need ever arrises as hes got a great footballers head

I had to make my new signature for our 3 wise men. I don't think we fully understand yet just what they are going to do this season!. I think they will be  phenomenal.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6099855/Jorginho-outpasses-Newcastle-team-NBA-star-visits-St-James.html

 

Jorginho outpasses the entire opposition

 

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All these 'pundits' and articles comparing him to Pirlo