The Sarri Thread

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

How did they adapt? They still play the same styles they've always used in their careers... its just better because they were more persistent with it at the beginning. Klopp and Pep both still hardly rotate that often too.

Sometimes to change the culture and style you need to be more drastic, if Sarri has to do what he has to do to get us there then so be it. Seems some people just dont want to change and would rather we were this quick fix team who changed manager every 2 years,  yes theres been success but success wont always happen with this method.

This pep adapt. Lol lol. I was laughing at all this pundit that say pep need to change his football to suit epl. Nope, that is not the problem. It was as simple as changing fb and gk. Problem solved. 

What people want is for us to basically forget about trying to develop Sarri football, he should maximize this team potential rather than developing his football . Then what is the point of hiring Sarri. It is like if we hire klopp but our team is suck at pressing so let's not press or hire pep but our team does not not know how to play possession football, so let's play on the counter more. 

 

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8 hours ago, whats happening said:

he's done then. players will sabotage him for sure.

The manager is stubborn to adapt and that's the player's fault. Of course!

8 hours ago, BlueSunshine said:

No top manager will want the job if we sack Sarri this season. Like him or not, he is highly regarded in the football world, both for his football ideas/tactics and his ethos, I have read so many interviews of players and managers who were praising him. I am afraid that sacking him will have a really negative impact on our already bad reputation with managers.

I'm sure you can easily find comments from managers that they still highly regard Mourinho. But does that really mean much?

8 hours ago, BlueSunshine said:

And that is exactly what baffles me the most. Are all those Chelsea fans that are asking for his head considering the implications of sacking him, or they just want to see Chelsea winning the next match even if it means that we will never have a long term plan as a club? I am not even taking part in the whole "who's fault is it" debate, i am just tired of talking the same fucking things every couple of years and genuinely worried about the direction that our club is taking

Has anyone considered that maybe Sarri's and methods just do not work in England? Has anyone considered maybe this job is just too big for someone like Sarri, who let's face it, only has decent success at ONE club for 1-2 seasons. Have seen plenty of people who want Sarri to stay but have not seen a convincing argument on why he should stay based on what he is doing THIS season. All the arguments have just been (a) look at Guardiola/Klopp's first season and look where they are now, (b) he needs time, his own players or basically, (c) it's the players' fault or (d) backing the manager for the sake of it. Sarri has shown that he incapable of adapting, be flexible etc and those were some of the things we criticized Mourinho, Conte for in the past and some even wanted them out because of that. So, why is Sarri getting the free pass now? No manager will succeed at the highest level if he's stubborn and can't adapt.

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

How did they adapt? They still play the same styles they've always used in their careers... its just better because they were more persistent with it at the beginning. Klopp and Pep both still hardly rotate that often too.

Sometimes to change the culture and style you need to be more drastic, if Sarri has to do what he has to do to get us there then so be it. Seems some people just dont want to change and would rather we were this quick fix team who changed manager every 2 years,  yes theres been success but success wont always happen with this method.

For the love of god Ryan, I'm not asking Sarri to change his style but rather how he's going about in implementing it! Are you really telling me that you're happy with Sarri just rolling out the 4-3-3, same like-for-like players, making no tactical alterations, no Plan B?! Even some of the poorer sides in the league are finding it easy to play against us! Klopp and Guardiola have their style but unlike Sarri, they aren't averse to making changes, to tweaking things! Am all for the manager to stay long term but in Sarri's case, he is showing that he's a one trick pony and he's going to get himself sacked if he continues to be that, regardless of his style.  

And oh, Klopp and Guardiola hardly rotate that often? There's a game like every 3-4 days in England, you can't say that they do not rotate often. Plus, have seen people go nuts over their Fantasy Premier League team every week because of Guardiola's constant rotation.

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Chelsea boss Sarri thinks backroom staff are LEAKING information to Granovskaia - Castles

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1081443/Chelsea-Maurizio-Sarri-Granovskaia-Roman-Abramovich-Duncan-Castles

The plot thickens

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21 minutes ago, mccg said:

Chelsea boss Sarri thinks backroom staff are LEAKING information to Granovskaia - Castles

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1081443/Chelsea-Maurizio-Sarri-Granovskaia-Roman-Abramovich-Duncan-Castles

The plot thickens

They're probably the same back stabbing snake cunts thats always kissed her arse!

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

I just saw this. The 24 man squad named for the rest of the season!!

Chelsea Premier League squad

(*Home grown)

Alonso Mendoza, Marcos

Arrizabalaga Revuelta, Kepa

Azpilicueta Tanco, Cesar

Barkley, Ross*

Borges Da Silva, Willian

Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel

Cahill, Gary James*

Christensen, Andreas Bodtker*

Drinkwater, Daniel Noel*

Giroud, Olivier

Green, Robert Paul*

Hazard, Eden

Higuain, Gonzalo Gerardo

Jorge Luiz, Frello Filho

Kante, Ngolo

Kovacic, Mateo

Loftus Cheek, Ruben*

Luiz Moreira Marinho, David

Palmieri Dos Santos, Emerson

Piazon, Lucas Domingues*

Rodriguez Ledesma, Pedro Eliezer

Rudiger, Antonio

Van Ginkel, Marco Wulfert Cornelius

Zappacosta, Davide

Now doesn't that fill you all with cofidence!!! 

 

Barella and Kante in a double pivot.

Oh wait........

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46 minutes ago, mccg said:

Chelsea boss Sarri thinks backroom staff are LEAKING information to Granovskaia - Castles

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1081443/Chelsea-Maurizio-Sarri-Granovskaia-Roman-Abramovich-Duncan-Castles

The plot thickens

Are we seriously taking shit from Mourinho's mouthpiece that is Duncan Castles now?

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Barella and Kante in a double pivot.

Oh wait........

You have those same dreams I do eh!

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

The manager is stubborn to adapt and that's the player's fault. Of course!

I'm sure you can easily find comments from managers that they still highly regard Mourinho. But does that really mean much?

Has anyone considered that maybe Sarri's and methods just do not work in England? Has anyone considered maybe this job is just too big for someone like Sarri, who let's face it, only has decent success at ONE club for 1-2 seasons. Have seen plenty of people who want Sarri to stay but have not seen a convincing argument on why he should stay based on what he is doing THIS season. All the arguments have just been (a) look at Guardiola/Klopp's first season and look where they are now, (b) he needs time, his own players or basically, (c) it's the players' fault or (d) backing the manager for the sake of it. Sarri has shown that he incapable of adapting, be flexible etc and those were some of the things we criticized Mourinho, Conte for in the past and some even wanted them out because of that. So, why is Sarri getting the free pass now? No manager will succeed at the highest level if he's stubborn and can't adapt.

For the love of god Ryan, I'm not asking Sarri to change his style but rather how he's going about in implementing it! Are you really telling me that you're happy with Sarri just rolling out the 4-3-3, same like-for-like players, making no tactical alterations, no Plan B?! Even some of the poorer sides in the league are finding it easy to play against us! Klopp and Guardiola have their style but unlike Sarri, they aren't averse to making changes, to tweaking things! Am all for the manager to stay long term but in Sarri's case, he is showing that he's a one trick pony and he's going to get himself sacked if he continues to be that, regardless of his style.  

And oh, Klopp and Guardiola hardly rotate that often? There's a game like every 3-4 days in England, you can't say that they do not rotate often. Plus, have seen people go nuts over their Fantasy Premier League team every week because of Guardiola's constant rotation.

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

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47 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

That's not very convincing, is it? We can see that there are problems with Sarri's setup but oh, because that's the way he is and has done, let's just keep doing the same thing! That's a real recipe for disaster. It's real curious that more successful managers got criticized and partly binned because they were stubborn, not flexible etc but Sarri is getting all the free pass because of the fixation with his football. Maybe his style, his way of doing things just aren't suited in England like Van Gaal at United or even AVB here. And Klopp plays 4-3-3 every week? He has also played 4-2-3-1 and on rare occasions, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2!

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19 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's not very convincing, is it? We can see that there are problems with Sarri's setup but oh, because that's the way he is and has done, let's just keep doing the same thing! That's a real recipe for disaster. It's real curious that more successful managers got criticized and partly binned because they were stubborn, not flexible etc but Sarri is getting all the free pass because of the fixation with his football. Maybe his style, his way of doing things just aren't suited in England like Van Gaal at United or even AVB here. Klopp plays 4-3-3 every week? He has also played 4-2-3-1 and on rare occasions, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2!

In all fairness as well, the formation wont make a huge difference. 4231 just means youve got a pure 10 and not playing with a 6 as opposed to 433 with a 6 and two 8s. Its still not going to make Willian, Hazard, Kovacic/Barkley do more offensively is it? Kante will still push up and Jorginho will still dictate the play. The players in attack will still stand still and we would still be exposed when we lose the ball becasze everyone will be higher up. 4231 basically becomes a 433 because Kante and Jorginho both dont need to be deeper to move the ball out when we have it. Was the same when when had Ramires playing in a double pivot. He just pushed up and it was effectively 433. The 10 would drop in as a more advanced CM without the ball...

The issue with our play is with the ball in the final third (if your going to use David Luiz and Emerson in your back 4 you should 100% expect to concede big chances/goals imo) , its more patterns of play than the formation. We always come inside, always into overcrowded central areas. Theres no selfless movement off the ball. No overloads in wider areas. Everyone wants to dribble or take too many touches instead of 1 or 2 touch combination plays.

Sarris Napoli were exceptional at one and two touch passing, the formation doesnt neccessarily matter because regardless of where Hazard, Willian, Kovacic/Barkley play they will dribble when they could pass or take too many touches... I mean Sarri said we haven't even learned the basics and hes right, in the final third we are slow because players dont look to play quickly or change it up. Napoli were hard to play against because they played at such a tempo and were unpredictable in attack, they could get at you from wide areas, come inside, they were inventive in the final third. Defensively they would be narrow and let teams try to attack them through the wings because at CB theh had 2 strong defenders in the air and a goalkeeper who was comfortable at coming for higher crosses.

 

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6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

In all fairness as well, the formation wont make a huge difference. 4231 just means youve got a pure 10 and not playing with a 6 as opposed to 433 with a 6 and two 8s. Its still not going to make Willian, Hazard, Kovacic/Barkley do more offensively is it? Kante will still push up and Jorginho will still dictate the play. The players in attack will still stand still and we would still be exposed when we lose the ball becauze everyone will be higher up. 4231 basically becomes a 433 because Kante and Jorginho both dont need to be deeper to screen when we have the ball. Was the same when when had Ramires playing in a double pivot. He just pushed up and it was effectively 433. The 10 would drop in as a more advanced CM without the ball...

Sarri mentioned recently that he does have 4-2-3-1 in his mind and since 4-3-3 isn't working, why not try the former? 

And no, 4-2-3-1 may well give the team a better balance because you have two fellas screening the defence and gives the full backs a better platform to go forward. You saw the game on Wednesday? Only 3 players stayed back while everyone was caught high up the pitch when Bournemouth broke. Kante can't or won't be getting forward as much because otherwise, we'll just end up with another Matic-Fabregas situation.

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No Odoi again, this bloke is beginning to fucking piss me right off.

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2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

No Odoi again, this bloke is beginning to fucking piss me right off.

What was the point in keeping him if just going to be on the bench?! We're oretty shit anyway so nothing to lose by playing him. So there's no excuse. 

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1 minute ago, Laylabelle said:

What was the point in keeping him if just going to be on the bench?! We're oretty shit anyway so nothing to lose by playing him. So there's no excuse. 

Clubs a joke, preach in every press conference about how good he is, last two games been sat on his fucking arse.

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Just now, Special Juan said:

No Odoi again, this bloke is beginning to fucking piss me right off.

It's kinda ironic, isn't it? The board got Sarri in to change our style moving forward but the manager himself isn't quite in-tuned with the board's long term plan on the players.

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Just now, Jason said:

Sarri mentioned recently that he does have 4-2-3-1 in his mind and since 4-3-3 isn't working, why not try the former? 

And no, 4-2-3-1 may well give the team a better balance because you have two fellas screening the defence and gives the full backs a better platform to go forward. You saw the game on Wednesday? Only 3 players stayed back while everyone was caught high up the pitch when Bournemouth broke. Kante can't or won't be getting forward as much because otherwise, we'll just end up with another Matic-Fabregas situation.

But again with 4231, your going to lose movement off the ball which Kante provides. Its not a huge difference, two screens yes but Luiz at CB and Alonso or Emerson at LB is still pretty suspect. Plus Sarris attacking instincts Kante will still be asked to push up and make options because he cannot affect a game from a deeper position in an offensive way. It will be interesting to see if he would change it but I wouldn't expect anything hugely different. Fullbacks maybe have more cover yes but again, will it affect our attacking play? Defensively weve been poor recently too and I get thst but Sarri is a purist, he would rather win 5-4 playing in that way than grind out a 1-0. The Man City game was maybe an exception at times but they pressed us so well.

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jesus fucking christ

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Clubs a joke, preach in every press conference about how good he is, last two games been sat on his fucking arse.

He played well when he does get a chance as well! 

This month.. FA Cup round.. Europa round and Carling Cup final... Be nice if we can end it well. Not out of everything and in 6th. Huge games coming up everywhere 

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Just now, Jason said:

It's kinda ironic, isn't it? The board got Sarri in to change our style moving forward but the manager himself isn't quite in-tuned with the board's long term plan on the players.

The whole structure of the club is fucked from top to bottom.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

But again with 4231, your going to lose movement off the ball which Kante provides. Its not a huge difference, two screens yes but Luiz at CB and Alonso or Emerson at LB is still pretty suspect. Plus Sarris attacking instincts Kante will still be asked to push up and make options because he cannot affect a game from a deeper position in an offensive way. It will be interesting to see if he would change it but I wouldn't expect anything hugely different. Fullbacks maybe have more cover yes but again, will it affect our attacking play? Defensively weve been poor recently too and I get thst but Sarri is a purist, he would rather win 5-4 playing in that way than grind out a 1-0. The Man City game was maybe an exception at times but they pressed us so well.

If Kante is still gonna push forward in a 4-2-3-1, then why even bother playing that? If Sarri can't make tactical alterations, can't make players work in a system - which is already proving to be the case - then he definitely won't be here for long. Digging his own grave.