Vesper 30,195 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: Yes, in the long term picture I'm still positive CHO will be better than Mount and Abraham for us. Not saying you are wrong at all, but you have far more faith that the rupture did not perma fuck him (or at least semi-wreck him until possibly as late as mid 2021 to early 2022 even) than I do. Odds are better now at least than in the past, at least. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2019/07/29/bjsports-2019-100556 Results 118 athletes (mean age 27.2±7.2 years) were included. 113 (96%) returned to unrestricted practice after a mean of 199±53 days, with faster recovery in players involved in national teams. Return to competition was after a mean of 274±114 days. In the 76 athletes with at least two seasons of follow-up, 14 (18%) did not compete at the pre-injury level during the two seasons following the index injury. Six players (8%) sustained a re-rupture within the first two seasons after return to play; four re-ruptures were in footballers who returned to play <180 days after injury. Age >30 years and re-ruptures had higher odds ratios of not returning to the same level of play. Conclusions 96% of professional male football players who underwent surgery to repair an ATR returned to unrestricted practice and then competition after an average time of 7 and 9 months, respectively. However, 18% did not return to the same level of play within the two seasons following their return, with a higher risk in those experiencing a re-rupture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Nothing will come instantly with this group of young lads we have, there will be may ups and downs, both in results and performances. That isn't a concern for me, what my concern is that we will quickly need to find a balance of signing top players but also keeping the current crop happy and in and around. It's either stand up and be counted with shoulders back or head sag and give up. This side needs so much more quality to get back where we were, we need signings quickly in 3-4 areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, Vesper said: Not saying you are wrong at all, but you have far more faith that the rupture did not perma fuck him (or at least semi-wreck him until possibly as late as mid 2021 to early 2022 even) than I do. Odds are better now at least than in the past, at least. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2019/07/29/bjsports-2019-100556 Results 118 athletes (mean age 27.2±7.2 years) were included. 113 (96%) returned to unrestricted practice after a mean of 199±53 days, with faster recovery in players involved in national teams. Return to competition was after a mean of 274±114 days. In the 76 athletes with at least two seasons of follow-up, 14 (18%) did not compete at the pre-injury level during the two seasons following the index injury. Six players (8%) sustained a re-rupture within the first two seasons after return to play; four re-ruptures were in footballers who returned to play <180 days after injury. Age >30 years and re-ruptures had higher odds ratios of not returning to the same level of play. Conclusions 96% of professional male football players who underwent surgery to repair an ATR returned to unrestricted practice and then competition after an average time of 7 and 9 months, respectively. However, 18% did not return to the same level of play within the two seasons following their return, with a higher risk in those experiencing a re-rupture. Can no longer tell if you're just really paranoid, worried or have given up on CHO at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,195 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jason said: Can no longer tell if you're just really paranoid, worried or have given up on CHO at this point. have not given up at all but I have been worried since it happened (the original injury) I think we brought him back too soon really frustrating for him, the club, all of us hopefully it works out and next comes the same thing (worse? as the injury was worse) with RLC devastating if both are bollocksed up for years worse yet if we wait 2 or 3 years to realise this, IF that is indeed the case those 2 lad's injures (and the fallout at all levels), plus LB and CF (the only 2 positions that MUST have immediate action or else we are fucked we simply cannot, cannot go forward with what we have now without disastrous outcomes galore, especially if Tammy, dog forbid, is injured), then finally what to do with Kante are the big, BIG five main questions for me we need to resolve I am profoundly disappointed with Emerson (no clue why he has somehow become worse that fucking Alonso!, it is maddening), Alonso (unless he plays as a wingback, then he is still actually a weapon, which is why Conte wants him badly), Azpi (as a LB he is worse than the other two, somehow and as a RB is only good about one out of 4 games now) Barkley (waste of flesh, at a pure prime age and is a joke, even in personal life), Pedro, Bats (shit that we all, or most of us all knew was shit, at least here at Chels, he just doesn't fit in well here at all, another shit-shit Marina and board buy), and Giroud. Starting to get that way with Mount, but because he is young, (unlike all the dregs I just listed) I will cut him slack,. Finally, Kante's play has bloody well went into the bin lately, which is probably the biggest disappointment as well, as he was supposed to be our best player by miles and miles and most of us knew the rest listed were going to be shit (some just due to age and wear and tear, like Pedro and Azpi). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 FWIW, a decent outing today for CHO. 1 goal and 1 assist. Also looked better on the right (along with James) than the left (cc @killer1257 ). That being said and pardon me for being a little harsh, his better performances have come against poor opposition, notably in the Europa League, League Cup, FA Cup and today was no different. Yet to fully convince against better teams. But baby steps, I guess... killer1257 and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 CHO looked decent on the right again, especially with James at RB. (cc @killer1257) At this rate, I wanna see Pulisic at LW and CHO at RW in full flow. Could well be glorious! bigbluewillie and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 CHO looked decent on the right again, especially with James at RB. (cc [mention=6611]killer1257[/mention]) At this rate, I wanna see Pulisic at LW and CHO at RW in full flow. Could well be glorious!You will probably mark me everytime when CHO has a good game on the right side in this thread ^^I hope CHO continues that way. Getting sharper and more confident Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, killer1257 said: You will probably mark me everytime when CHO has a good game on the right side in this thread ^^ Yes I will, until you change your mind/thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Delighted for him scoring, need more and more please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Yes I will, until you change your mind/thinking. [emoji185]I will mark you in this thread when I change my mind regarding my opinion about CHO as a right winger . Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,958 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Good to see him getting more and more confident. It was a weak opposition yet again, but first he needs his confidence back, then we can think next. Him and Reece, that is something that seems to be working very well. Long, long, long (I mean really long) may it continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, killer1257 said: I will mark you in this thread when I change my mind regarding my opinion about CHO as a right winger . Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,326 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jason said: @killer1257 At this rate, I wanna see Pulisic at LW and CHO at RW in full flow. Could well be glorious! I always expected them to be our starters but Pulisic RW and CHO LW. Frank changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, NikkiCFC said: I always expected them to be our starters but Pulisic RW and CHO LW. Frank changed that. Indeed. Where does this leave Sancho then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,326 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Indeed. Where does this leave Sancho then? They are all young they'll be inconsistent. And we can have three top players for two positions. City, Real, Barca are good examples. Plus I think Pulisic can play AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, NikkiCFC said: They are all young they'll be inconsistent. And we can have three top players for two positions. City, Real, Barca are good examples. Plus I think Pulisic can play AM. Lampard not trying Pulisic in the No.10 role is a bit of a bummer (if that's the right word) so far, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,326 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Lampard not trying Pulisic in the No.10 role is a bit of a bummer (if that's the right word) so far, IMO. I know the reason but rather not say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Lampard not trying Pulisic in the No.10 role is a bit of a bummer (if that's the right word) so far, IMO.Did Puli ever play that role? Does he have any creativity ?Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, killer1257 said: Did Puli ever play that role? Does he have any creativity ? Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk I believe he's played there a few times for the US team. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, Jason said: I believe he's played there a few times for the US team. @killer1257Here's something on it... https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/can-christian-pulisic-flourish-for-borussia-dortmund-and-usmnt-as-number-10-3156 killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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