🇪🇸 Álvaro Morata

[akgw13 867]

I think this would be a mistake to give up on Morata already. When healthy he showed he could make a difference. Unless we decide to change our ways and break the bank for someone like Icardi I am not sure we will be able to recruit anyone at his age with his ability this summer. Lets hope these are false rumours.

[Pizy 18,909]

We aint selling him after 1 season. Not after breaking our transfer record to buy him. We gave Torres all that time and we'll give Morata every chance to justify his price. He'll 100% be here next season.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Sell Morata buy Dybala

[oldportblue 547]

yeah if we get dybala coming the other way, then no problem

[LAM09 7,054]

We aint selling him after 1 season. Not after breaking our transfer record to buy him. We gave Torres all that time and we'll give Morata every chance to justify his price. He'll 100% be here next season.

I can't imagine us not buying another CF in the summer, so it's up to him whether third or even fourth (if Michy isn't sold) is appealing to him.

Can see him going out on loan if we're busy in the summer.

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Sell Morata buy Dybala

 

16 minutes ago, oldportblue said:

yeah if we get dybala coming the other way, then no problem

Dybala has hardly been setting the world alight at Juventus and there were even criticisms that he doesn't do enough in the big games. 

[oldportblue 547]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

Dybala has hardly been setting the world alight at Juventus and there were even criticisms that he doesn't do enough in the big games. 

same scenario with morata at chelsea, maybe a switch will do both players good lol

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, oldportblue said:

same scenario with morata at chelsea, maybe a switch will do both players good lol

At least Morata has the excuse of this being his first season in a new country, club etc. Plus, he has scored some big goals in big games and has a decent goal record despite his issues. Dybala has been at Juventus since 2015 and his career has yet to really takeoff.

[11Drogba 2,000]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

At least Morata has the excuse of this being his first season in a new country, club etc. Plus, he has scored some big goals in big games and has a decent goal record despite his issues. Dybala has been at Juventus since 2015 and his career has yet to really takeoff.

Best player in the league according to squawka

http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#italian-serie-a|season-2017/2018#all-teams#all-player-positions#16#42#0#0#90#19/08/2017#08/05/2018#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Best player in the league according to squawka

http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#italian-serie-a|season-2017/2018#all-teams#all-player-positions#16#42#0#0#90#19/08/2017#08/05/2018#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total

Meh. Those numbers don't tell the whole story.

[Tomo 21,751]

49 minutes ago, Pizy said:

We aint selling him after 1 season. Not after breaking our transfer record to buy him. We gave Torres all that time and we'll give Morata every chance to justify his price. He'll 100% be here next season.

Few key differences between the two though.

1. Despite a so so season we could probably recoup most if not all the money we spent on him, Torres we had no chance so we had to keep persisting in the blind hope he somewhat repaid the fee but never did. 

2. £50m in Nando's era was huge money, now not so much.

3. Morata could quite feesably really want to go, Torres was perfectly happy to stick around and steal a living.

[11Drogba 2,000]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Meh. Those numbers don't tell the whole story.

They are more reliable than the people you talk about imo. He was good against Tottenham in London too.

He is also the best performing player according to whoscored. https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/108/Tournaments/5/Seasons/6974/Stages/15404/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2017-2018

 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

They are more reliable than the people you talk about imo. He was good against Tottenham in London too.

All he did was scoring a key goal. Hardly did anything else.

4 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

He is also the best performing player according to whoscored. https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/108/Tournaments/5/Seasons/6974/Stages/15404/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2017-2018

The metrics for Whoscored's Player Ratings is broken. It has Bakayoko at 6.93 rating or Fabregas at 7.07 and it isn't far behind Hazard or Kante. Do you think really think Bakayoko or Fabregas deserve that high of a rating when you look at their performances?

[oldportblue 547]

Their ratings aren't perfect, I disagree with a lot of them often times but to me, the fact that Dybala is an amazing talent who would be worth even more than Morata is undeniable... He scored 22 goals 5 Assists in Serie A in 24 starts this year, that's pretty good. I think most football fans in the world given a straight choice between the two would go for Dybala

[11Drogba 2,000]

45 minutes ago, Jason said:

The metrics for Whoscored's Player Ratings is broken. It has Bakayoko at 6.93 rating or Fabregas at 7.07 and it isn't far behind Hazard or Kante. Do you think really think Bakayoko or Fabregas really deserve that high of a rating when you look at their performances?

You are talking about something completely irrelevant. You said Dybala's performance was not that good.

Whoscored and squawka say otherwise. I respect their rankings more as I have never seen a bad or average performing player being ranked the best in a major league by both whoscored and squawka.

Both sites also say Neymar is best in France and Messi is best in Spain, but I am sure you call them exaggerated too according to your high standards.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

You are talking about something completely irrelevant. You said Dybala's performance was not that good.

Whoscored and squawka say otherwise. I respect their rankings more as I have never seen a bad or average performing player being ranked the best in a major league by both whoscored and squawka.

Both sites also say Neymar is best in France and Messi is best in Spain, but I am sure you call them exaggerated too according to your high standards.

Irrelevant? I refuted your point about using Whoscored's player ratings system and even gave an example as to why it's unreliable. Are you really gonna ignore the fact that their system has only 0.83 difference between Hazard's performances and Bakayoko's? Do you really believe that the latter has been good enough to merit a 6.93 rating? Not even sure if you are taking the piss at this point. Have no issues whatsoever if you think Dybala is the best player in Serie A but if player ratings is all you got to back that up, then...wow.

[11Drogba 2,000]

54 minutes ago, Jason said:

Irrelevant? I refuted your point about using Whoscored's player ratings system and even gave an example as to why it's unreliable. Are you really gonna ignore the fact that their system has only 0.83 difference between Hazard's performances and Bakayoko's? Do you really believe that the latter has been good enough to merit a 6.93 rating? Not even sure if you are taking the piss at this point. Have no issues whatsoever if you think Dybala is the best player in Serie A but if player ratings is all you got to back that up, then...wow.

22 goals and 5 assists, top scorer of the top team in Serie A, dribbles past players, creates chances, scores amazing goals. What does a player need to do impress you Jason?

It seems everyone (both managers and players) is mediocre and overrated for you. I asked you once whether there is a manager you think he is really good. No answer.

I am talking about ranking not individual grades or the size of difference. This is why Baka-Hazard example is irrelevant. You want to discredit their rankings by pointing out something irrelevant.

Also it is not just whoscored. Both squawka and whoscored agree on three players Messi, Neymar and Dybala saying they are the best performing players in their leagues yet you disagree with them.

This discussion started after I wrote that we should sell Morata and buy Dybala. This is one those things that I can't believe that we are even discussing. They are not even in the same caliber.

To my Italian friends I said there is Chelsea fan who thinks we should not selll Morata and get Dybala in return and this was their reaction.

[Jase 43,479]

23 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

22 goals and 5 assists, what does a player need to do impress you Jason? It seems everyone (both managers and players) is mediocre and overrated for you. I asked you once whether there is a manager you think he is really good. No answer.

Also it is not just whoscored. Both squawka and whoscored agree on three players Messi, Neymar and Dybala saying they are the best performing players in their leagues yet you disagree with them.

This discussion started after I wrote that we should sell Morata and buy Dybala. This is one those things that I can't believe that we are even discussing. They are not even in the same caliber.

My point was Dybala may have impressive numbers but he hasn't backed it up with his performances on a consistent basis. There were criticisms of his performances in big games and IIRC, he was even dropped by Allegri in some key games. Heck, he even got taken off at HT against Napoli recently!

41 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

I am talking about ranking not individual grades or the size of difference. This is why Baka-Hazard example is irrelevant. You want to discredit their rankings by pointing out something irrelevant.

You talked about ranking and isn't that based on the ratings of the player? 

42 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

To my Italian friends I said there is Chelsea fan who thinks we should not selll Morata and get Dybala in return and this was their reaction.

Did you actually even read what I typed? Where did I explicitly say we should not sell Morata and get Dybala in return?

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, Jason said:

Did you actually even read what I typed?

Well after quoting me when I wrote we should sell Morata and buy Dybala you wrote also this

"At least Morata has the excuse of this being his first season in a new country, club etc. Plus, he has scored some big goals in big games and has a decent goal record despite his issues. Dybala has been at Juventus since 2015 and his career has yet to really takeoff."

I should obviously thought that you dont oppose to such a transfer. Anyway I am done talking to you.

This is bonus.

Take care

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Well after quoting me when I wrote we should sell Morata and buy Dybala you wrote also this

"At least Morata has the excuse of this being his first season in a new country, club etc. Plus, he has scored some big goals in big games and has a decent goal record despite his issues. Dybala has been at Juventus since 2015 and his career has yet to really takeoff."

I should obviously thought that you dont oppose to such a transfer. Anyway I am done talking to you.

This is bonus.

Take care

Oh god. How desperate were you that you had to go dig out one of old my tweets? And imagine my shock at people taking a point at that particular time out of context.   Suarez was hardly a clinical goalscorer for Liverpool back in August 2012, only became one after that!