Álvaro Morata

[the wes 7,212]

Juventus want to re-sign Chelsea striker Alvaro Morata this summer, according to Sky sources.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11370038/juventus-want-to-re-sign-alvaro-morata-from-chelsea

if we do sell Morata who do you replace him with there's not many top strikers who would be available maybe Icardi could be available ?

[Thor 2,392]

16 minutes ago, the wes said:

Juventus want to re-sign Chelsea striker Alvaro Morata this summer, according to Sky sources.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11370038/juventus-want-to-re-sign-alvaro-morata-from-chelsea

if we do sell Morata who do you replace him with there's not many top strikers who would be available maybe Icardi could be available ?

Giroud is a far better player than Morata already according to a lot on here. So we don't need anyone. We've only had Giroud for a little bit of the season, so we are undoubtably set for great things with how we've turned things around with him. Should produce some exciting football too. 

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, the wes said:

Juventus want to re-sign Chelsea striker Alvaro Morata this summer, according to Sky sources.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11370038/juventus-want-to-re-sign-alvaro-morata-from-chelsea

if we do sell Morata who do you replace him with there's not many top strikers who would be available maybe Icardi could be available ?

I see we're back on ditching players and dreaming that the board will actually make quality signings. Imagine them selling Morata and then buying someone like Benteke!  

[Starman60 1,343]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

I see we're back on ditching players and dreaming that the board will actually make quality signings. Imagine them selling Morata and then buying someone like Benteke!  

Its a bit of a stretch calling Benteke a striker !!!As for the board making quality signings, if it's Marina Granovskaia who is making the signings, whats she judging them on? Probably shoe size and nice arses 

[milka 3,346]

return  Diego Costa 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

16 hours ago, The Skipper said:

My problem with Morata is that whilst he is a good footballer, he seems to lack that killer striker mentality guys like Costa and Drogba (who are arguably worse footballers on pure talent) had, which is what ultimately makes or breaks a top striker imo. Finishing wise he seems to be extremely average. As a striker, finishing is extremely important. He has one goal in the PL in 2018. People have a right to be reserved about him. 

True he lacks that killer instinct but that is gained through playing regularly and through taking chances along with training. He does get the chances, he manages to find himself in good positions a lot, which for me shows he is more than good enough, he just has to stick them away, its a shame hes only managed the 1 goal this year because although some of his performances have been dodgy some of them have not been. I think its just been a tough season. If we sell after one season, who would we replace him with? People keep mentioning Cavani but it wont happen. Griezmann? Wont happen. Bring Batshuayi back to be first choice? Wont happen. It was a big spend on Morata and I think he'll be a lot better next season but if he goes who do we actually sign to replace him? Not many strikers out there that are attainable at the sort of level everyone assumed Morata was last summer. Icardi maybe but honestly he will cost 80-100M easily. Who says he'd even want to play here? 

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I am so torn, I don't want to give up on Morata but if the new coach wants someone else and we have a buyer it might happen? Personally if we get Sarri I think getting an ice cold killer like Icardi is best. That being said, lots of people want Icardi haha he is very expensive and comes with his own baggage. 

I think we have to wait and see who we bring in to Manage next. That hiring will dictate our transfer targets, especially the higher priced ones. I am assuming the board has already come up with a list we will 'monitor' and 'keep tabs on'

Rumours of Sarri wanting Higuain, I am similarly torn about offloading a young talent like Morata for an older striker. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

On 13/05/2018 at 1:36 PM, OneMoSalah said:

True he lacks that killer instinct but that is gained through playing regularly and through taking chances along with training. He does get the chances, he manages to find himself in good positions a lot, which for me shows he is more than good enough, he just has to stick them away, its a shame hes only managed the 1 goal this year because although some of his performances have been dodgy some of them have not been. I think its just been a tough season. If we sell after one season, who would we replace him with? People keep mentioning Cavani but it wont happen. Griezmann? Wont happen. Bring Batshuayi back to be first choice? Wont happen. It was a big spend on Morata and I think he'll be a lot better next season but if he goes who do we actually sign to replace him? Not many strikers out there that are attainable at the sort of level everyone assumed Morata was last summer. Icardi maybe but honestly he will cost 80-100M easily. Who says he'd even want to play here? 

Personally don’t think “killer instinct” is that coachable - you either have it or you don’t. Morata isn’t really that young for him to develop it either. Like I said before - I have my criticisms on Morata but wouldn’t sell unless we got in a top replacement, such as Icardi as you mentioned. If we could get a top striker like that in I wouldn’t mind selling him at all. Inter failed to qualify for the CL so who knows? Especially if we got a fellow Italian like Sarri in? 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

2 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Personally don’t think “killer instinct” is that coachable - you either have it or you don’t. Morata isn’t really that young for him to develop it either. Like I said before - I have my criticisms on Morata but wouldn’t sell unless we got in a top replacement, such as Icardi as you mentioned. If we could get a top striker like that in I wouldn’t mind selling him at all. Inter failed to qualify for the CL so who knows? Especially if we got a fellow Italian like Sarri in? 

True perhaps but I think of Lampard as a MF player he was ice cold in front of goal, he repeatedly said about he'd do extra training etc too to improve that stuff, finishing and getting into goal scoring positions etc to a point where it became natural. Others just have it straight away but I don't think its a thing about age, I think you can improve things at any age as a footballer so I think for somebody like Morata who always seems to get repeated chances, can become lethal in front of goal, hes coming upto his peak years so he will improve regardless if he manages to follow the progression hes had in his career the last 3 or 4 years anyway so hopefully he can get that or even just work on his finishing. Although I think its also a confidence thing with him, I think first 3 months here he was playing very well, he scored a lot of our goals, looked confident but now he looks a bit sort of defeated if not for a better word. I honestly don't think Icardi would come here and be a major improvement on him either, hes a pretty good footballer who can still grow but we all said the same of Morata last summer so it just shows that it is not as easy as that.

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Personally don’t think “killer instinct” is that coachable - you either have it or you don’t. Morata isn’t really that young for him to develop it either. Like I said before - I have my criticisms on Morata but wouldn’t sell unless we got in a top replacement, such as Icardi as you mentioned. If we could get a top striker like that in I wouldn’t mind selling him at all. Inter failed to qualify for the CL so who knows? Especially if we got a fellow Italian like Sarri in? 

You've never said anything more true mate.

And forwards need it in bucketloads. Our problem now is ours dont. We need to seriously look at theit faults even tho we might have some emotional attachment to them

Chelsea as a team is bigger than individual players that dont contribute enough.

[The Skipper 20,593]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

True perhaps but I think of Lampard as a MF player he was ice cold in front of goal, he repeatedly said about he'd do extra training etc too to improve that stuff, finishing and getting into goal scoring positions etc to a point where it became natural. Others just have it straight away but I don't think its a thing about age, I think you can improve things at any age as a footballer so I think for somebody like Morata who always seems to get repeated chances, can become lethal in front of goal, hes coming upto his peak years so he will improve regardless if he manages to follow the progression hes had in his career the last 3 or 4 years anyway so hopefully he can get that or even just work on his finishing. Although I think its also a confidence thing with him, I think first 3 months here he was playing very well, he scored a lot of our goals, looked confident but now he looks a bit sort of defeated if not for a better word. I honestly don't think Icardi would come here and be a major improvement on him either, hes a pretty good footballer who can still grow but we all said the same of Morata last summer so it just shows that it is not as easy as that.

Again, here’s where mentality comes into it and Morata doesn’t seem to have that mentality to me. He isn’t that sort of guy that will stay behind and do those extra hours. It’s a gamble - do we stick with him and hope that his mentality changes, that he’s more hungry to succeed here? Or do we cut out losses soon (either this season or next if he doesn’t provide the goods) and try our hand with someone else like Icardi? I’m leaning towards the latter more. 

On Icardi - off the ball movement and finishing is immense, better than Morata’s. We lose out on technical ability a bit but still, since when has that stopped a top CFC striker as long as he’s hungry enough? Icardi just has that mentality already, and in the right system he could easily grab 30/40 a season. 

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On 5/13/2018 at 5:09 AM, Mana said:

There is no question that Morata is the biggest overall flop of the season

For me, Bakayoko is the biggest flop of the century, starting with this season.

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Just now, Mana said:

Baka, as bad as he is didn't have a star name, hardly anybody knew Baka exists until he moved to Chelsea. The expectations of Morata of impacting the league was much higher than Baka's. That's why Morata is the biggest flop of the season. Morata's downfall was much bigger than Bakabambi.

I am NOT saying Morata is worse than Baka. Far from it, I'm aware Baka is a million times worse. But it's about the expectation.

Bakayoko was known by many before he came here. He had a stand out season for Monaco along with others in that particular side, (Most notibaly in the CL). Yea Morata has flopped this side of Christmas but he did have a pretty decent start scoring goals and linking up well with Hazard and co. Bakayoko has arguably had one decent game for us in the whole season and that was vs Liverpool a few weeks back. The rest of the time he has been pathetic, so for me that has made him a bigger flop.

[Cosmin 2,484]

We should pick our next striker taking into account his personality first and only then his scoring abilities. You just can see that Morata isn't going to be a success here, no matter what. He's not enough of a prick, he's fragile and sensitive. 

We need a bully, someone confident, someone who can bounce back and not fall into a depresion after missing a sitter.

Cavani would be terrific, but I don't think he wants Europa League football. I'd also take Mariano Diaz, from Lyon, in a heartbeat. 

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7 hours ago, Mana said:

That's not true I'm afraid. No one I know including myself knew Baka existed until rumours of him coming to Chelsea

I'm afraid what you are saying here isn't true. Just because you had never heard of him before rumours to Chelsea arose, doesn't mean that 'nobody' had ever heard of him. That is a sweeping statement that I just cannot agree with. I had been watching Monaco progress through the CL the season before he came and he was being mentioned alot. Rumours of the elite clubs around Europe looking at him were in full force quite a while before he was specifically linked with us. Just saying.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

11 hours ago, Mana said:

That's not true I'm afraid. No one I know including myself knew Baka existed until rumours of him coming to Chelsea. And you said a stand out season which was last season. So that gave nobody time to understand how good Baka was. Have you heard of one season wonders? (Which is funny since Morata is also a definition of a one season wonder).

If you ask anyone that's not a Chelsea fan, they will say Morata's the biggest flop. I didn't have much expectation for Baka as I did for Morata. It has to be the same for almost every Chelsea fan here. No one here can say "Baka is going to shine more than Morata" at the beginning of the season.

I wasn't that happy when we signed Morata because of his track record, but I wanted to give him a chance. Show the world that Madrid made the biggest mistake of their lives. He failed to do that, can't even match his goal scoring record. He has serious trouble scoring with his feet too.

And that to me, is why Morata's the biggest flop.

I'm sorry but Bakayoko had been earning rave reviews all season in France so how you or nobody you know never heard of him before, I am not sure, especially when watching the champions league that season too (although I wasn't completely impressed with him as a player). Bigger clubs had been looking at him, PSG (although I doubt he'd be regularly playing there I mean Kryochiawak or whatever was one hell of a player at Sevilla and got loaned out as he was not playing), Juventus, Manchester United... but we got him. He was actually highly thought of in France and perhaps still is I don't know. Just because you hadn't heard of him doesn't mean nobody else had not. Many people on here who had watched him last season had said he was better than Matic already and had much more to his game etc. I didn't agree and still don't agree that he'll ever be better than him but. Morata is hardly a one season wonder either. I get it hes struggled this season but hes hardly a one season wonder, he had a pretty good year at Juventus when they got to the CL final under Allegri as well as the previous season at Madrid, fair enough its not exactly a huge difference but one season wonder? Hardly. 

[Jase 43,479]

Apparently...

 

[Superblue 6,370]

He's apparently missed out on the Spain squad. It will be interesting to see what happens with him this summer.

He either sulks or gives up and pushes to leave, or he re-focuses and re-energises over the summer and comes back for pre season with the mentality to kick on next season. 

It'll be interesting which manager will be here next season and if they feel they can get more out of Morata.