Tiemoue Bakayoko

[ILoveLamp 270]

12 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Hard to explain in writing. It's basically Tie-moo. The "e" at the end is mute.

Nope, nearer to tee-mou-ay, the last e with the accent is not mute. it's pronounced ay.

[BoyBlue96 990]

10 hours ago, Chelsea? said:

Wonder why we aren't after Fabiano since everyone seems to think he's the better option. Maybe he's weak defensively?

Because Fabinho has a higher FIFA potential.

I seriously doubt anyone here saying this watches any of Monaco's games.

[ILoveLamp 270]

9 minutes ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Because Fabinho has a higher FIFA potential.

I seriously doubt anyone here saying this watches any of Monaco's games.

I watch a lot of Monaco's games. Both are excellent but different. Fabinho is also good defensively (he's a converted right back and he was solid in that position). He is a better passer than Bakayoko but not so much of a dribbler.

I honestly think that either would be good enough to fit into our team and seriously improve it.

In my opinion the main reason we are going for Bakayoko is that his contract is running out, so he's more attainable and it makes more financial sense.

I would be really happy with either, with a slight preference for Bakayoko in terms of the role he will play in breaking up play and carrying the ball out for quick counters etc.

[Special Juan 28,100]

Would be a great capture, but I will wait until it's announced on official Chelsea site.

[gadget 126]

Cant say i've watched too many Monaco games but what i've read/seen he could be a beast next to Kante. Cant help but think given a chance to flourish Chalobah could fit in this exact job. Difference is one has been given the opportunity and the other hasn't 

[BoyBlue96 990]

49 minutes ago, ILoveLamp said:

I watch a lot of Monaco's games. Both are excellent but different. Fabinho is also good defensively (he's a converted right back and he was solid in that position). He is a better passer than Bakayoko but not so much of a dribbler.

I honestly think that either would be good enough to fit into our team and seriously improve it.

In my opinion the main reason we are going for Bakayoko is that his contract is running out, so he's more attainable and it makes more financial sense.

I would be really happy with either, with a slight preference for Bakayoko in terms of the role he will play in breaking up play and carrying the ball out for quick counters etc.

I'll be happy with most Monaco players. They have a great squad for what I've seen. Bakayoko, Fabinho, both fine and great reinforcements for our midfield. 

Very happy with this if it's true and happening. Good that the club is starting it's business early. 

 

14 minutes ago, gadget said:

Cant say i've watched too many Monaco games but what i've read/seen he could be a beast next to Kante. Cant help but think given a chance to flourish Chalobah could fit in this exact job. Difference is one has been given the opportunity and the other hasn't 

Chalobah has a nice haircut and that's it. Not good enough to become a starter. 

[gadget 126]

5 minutes ago, BoyBlue96 said:

 

 

Chalobah has a nice haircut and that's it. Not good enough to become a starter. 

How would you know if he has'nt had a chance. But yeah logic says spend £40m+ when we could have a carbon copy rotting away 

[BoyBlue96 990]

5 minutes ago, gadget said:

How would you know if he has'nt had a chance. But yeah logic says spend £40m+ when we could have a carbon copy rotting away 

Maybe there is a reason he doesn't get a chance? Same as why Michy never plays. They probably don't impress Conte.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

2 hours ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Maybe there is a reason he doesn't get a chance? Same as why Michy never plays. They probably don't impress Conte.

Exactly so.

Like many, I'd be glad to see more minutes for both Nat & Michy but Antonio already sees more of the pair than we do. Who knows, if we saw what he does everyday, we might very well be making the same decisions. Be that as it may, there is no doubt that if the boss felt the pair could help the team, he would pick them. Since he does not pick them, he clearly he does not think that Nat & Michy offer what he wants. Even if anyone has a different view about this, it is still only a matter of opinion and, in the end, someone has to choose. That person has be the manager.

[Rekin 835]

I think its important to remember that we rarely create chances from the middle. The front three, supported by the wing backs, are our offensive unit. 
While Bakayoko and Kante arent exactly Fabregas-level in terms of passing, they dont have to be. Their job is more or less to together with the back three ensure that we win back the ball as often as possible, disrupt play and transfer the ball to an offensive player. Their job is to free up the wing backs asap and allow us to attack more.
To ensure that, we need as much presence in the midfield as possible. Kante is a machine in terms of tackling and intercepting, but we also need someone who can win the air duels, and shield the ball in a more effective way. As much as I love Fabinho, or even Kessie/Keita, Bakayoko is to me the player who today is the closest to fitting the profile of what we need out of the young CM's. He still has several areas to improve in, but those are supporting areas rather than key areas (which in my opinion is physical presence together with the ability to shield the ball). If he with the help of our coaches and Conte improves his decision-making, passing and shooting, then we would have a true elite player. If he doesnt, he still has the tools to do the job we need. 

Its a bit unfortunate that Keita or Kessie havent had another season to assess them properly, as both can turn out to be superior to Bakayoko. I am not convinced regardless that this is a done deal, as we know we were sniffing around Kessie in January. Still, there are several very attractive young CM's available this summer, it would be foolish to not try getting any of them as early as possible. 

[lucio 5,418]

2 hours ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Maybe there is a reason he doesn't get a chance? Same as why Michy never plays. They probably don't impress Conte.

he would not have sold mikel and oscar, leaving chalobah as backup if he wasn't impressed. Or bring him on v man city with a 1 goal lead

[gadget 126]

2 hours ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Maybe there is a reason he doesn't get a chance? Same as why Michy never plays. They probably don't impress Conte.

 

12 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Exactly so.

Like many, I'd be glad to see more minutes for both Nat & Michy but Antonio already sees more of the pair than we do. Who knows, if we saw what he does everyday, we might very well be making the same decisions. Be that as it may, there is no doubt that if the boss felt the pair could help the team, he would pick them. Clearly therefore he does not think that Nat & Michy offer what he wants. Even if anyone has a different view about this, it is still only a matter of opinion and, in the end, someone has to choose. That person has be the manager.

You may be correct, none of us can see what happened on the training pitch, but if we go out and spend 40/50m on a player who we have a very similar player, the acadamy is useless. The Youth is by far the best in the country and arguably Europe. It's clear is someone like Nate (Probably our best product in years/decades) doesn't progress we have no  plan or idea how to progress from youth to seniors

[Chelsea? 892]

7 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Nemanja is not a Chelsea youth product.

He was until we sold him as part of Luuz deal

[Unionjack 7,531]

 

[gadget 126]

12 minutes ago, Chelsea? said:

He was until we sold him as part of Luuz deal

was 21 when we first brought him, wasn't an academy product