Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, BlueLyon said: On paper any skilled player would look better next to Kante Yore dead right mate. Thats why its really hard to take the stats in sites like WhoScored too serious cause looking at N'Golo on there you'd just think Meh! You just never know what any player will be like untill theyre in the team. A team thats gelled together all working for each other is something any manager would kill for. We got some lads that we think need upgrading but we never know if the new guys going to fit in ok. So far Conte seems to understand man management and putting players into position we raised our eyebrows at. Just gotta pray to the footballing atoms he keeps doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 23/03/2017 at 11:16 AM, DYC. said: They're different players so it all depends on what Conte is looking for. Tolisso is the superior player technically and offensively, and he's box-to-box. Baka is the superior player physically and defensively, and he's a midfield shield. Personally, I don't like the idea of two technically average players in the centre of the pitch who don't offer much invention and imagination with the ball at their feet. We've seen how laberous Chelsea can be and there's no guaranteeing the team will keep finding ways to win next season. Grinding is never a long term plan for succes (don't mention the likes Juve and old Chelsea as those teams possessed great quality. Atletico grind and they've been 'unlucky' these past few years). But at least Baka offers great athleticism and can surprise with the occasional surge from deep. And with the right purchase(s) at wingback and/or up front, you could make up for that lack of skill in the centre. And what do I know, really. Conte could make it work of course if he does indeed want him. Interesting. I don't think it's the actual pass which is the most important component of being a good passer. Most people, you & me included I think, could complete a very high percentage of the passes available to us if we were first set up with the right angle, on our chosen foot, with the time and space required, and with the runner in position. Even if you and I couldn't, most professionals could. Nemanja, for example, certainly can. Yes, there are differences between different professionals but, given the perfect set up I've described, the better passer isn't going to complete a significantly higher percentage of the passes than the less good distributor. There is something which makes a much bigger impact on the outcome of any given possession than mere precision of delivery. That thing is the special player's ability to do the things which create the good conditions for a pass in the first place. These include; the collect and turn which leaves the immediate marker in his wake and opens up the pitch in front of him, the precise touch which puts the ball right were it needs to be so he has that split second to get his pass away, the poise and body control to retain possession long enough for the target of his pass to make a run. I won't go on with the list; we all know the sort of things which are on it. I think Bakayoko has many of the attributes required to generate good passing opportunities for himself. Threading the intricate pass around the edge of the opponents' box is a part of the function of a player in Bakayoko's role, but effectively turning defence into attack is a more important part. Bakayoko may not score lots of goals or register many assists, but his team does and he is a big part of the reason for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 42 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Interesting. I don't think it's the actual pass which is the most important component of being a good passer. Most people, you & me included I think, could complete a very high percentage of the passes available to us if we were first set up with the right angle, on our chosen foot, with the time and space required, and with the runner in position. Even if you and I couldn't, most professionals could. Nemanja, for example, certainly can. Yes, there are differences between different professionals but, given the perfect set up I've described, the better passer isn't going to complete a significantly higher percentage of the passes than the less good distributor. What makes a much bigger impact on the outcome of any given possession than mere precision of delivery, is the special player's ability to do the things which create the good conditions for a pass in the first place; the collect and turn which leaves the immediate marker in his wake and opens up the pitch in front of him, the precise touch which puts the ball right were it needs to be so he has that split second to get his pass away, the poise and body control to retain possession long enough for the target of his pass to make a run. I won't go on with the list; we all know the sort of things which are on it. I think Bakayoko has many of the attributes required to generate good passing opportunities for himself. Threading the intricate pass around the edge of the opponents' box is a part of the function of a player in Bakayoko's role, but effectively turning defence into attack is a more important part. Bakayoko may not score lots of goals or register many assists, but his team does and he is a big part of the reason for that. I agree with what you've said but I can't say Bakayoko struck me as the player with the awareness, composure and poise you described in that same paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 22 hours ago, the wes said: Why did they  include Carrick?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 23 hours ago, the wes said: Dont know why we signed N'Golo. Looks like hes shite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Is that source worth anything ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 40 minutes ago, Artandur said: Is that source worth anything ? That's a Italian source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Well the guardian has it on the football transfer rumour as well. But we need to wait to have more confirmation to see if this is true: Apparently they have agreed a deal to take Tiemoué Bakayoko from the club for £35m, and what’s more have concluded negotiations with the player’s representatives over a five-year contract, and all that remains is for contracts to be signed and press conferences to be called. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/27/football-transfer-rumour-mill-alvaro-morata-tiemoue-bakayoko-chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 This will just be another Willian/Oscar type of signing. An average player who won't really get us anywhere and will be a regular in the team for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 This will just be another Willian/Oscar type of signing. An average player who won't really get us anywhere and will be a regular in the team for a long time.Not really comparable as Willian was already a finished product when he joined us and in comparison to Oscar he already proved in european competitions that he is good enough to compete before joining us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Over the moon with this transfer. Fantastic business. Nice and early. I hope we can look most if not all of our targeta down before next pre-season. Will be extremely exciting to see Contes team for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I saw a number of Monaco matches and I think he is good for Chelsea. Also they play real hard football in France. It's not kiddie football in la ligue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 13 hours ago, nono said: This will just be another Willian/Oscar type of signing. An average player who won't really get us anywhere and will be a regular in the team for a long time. Willing to bet, that this guy's watched 4 games of him, vs City and Spurs. Three of which he bossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said: Willing to bet, that this guy's watched 4 games of him, vs City and Spurs. Three of which he bossed. And he bullied Dembele in both them spurs games which end up spurs substitute dembele twice in both games  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 TIEMOUE BAKAYOKO'S agent says the Monaco star dreams of a move to Paris St-Germain. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/600629/Tiemoue-Bakayoko-Chelsea-Man-United-Arsenal-Monaco-PSG-agent-dream-rumours-gossip-news Fingers crossed psg don't show interest in him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 4 hours ago, the wes said: TIEMOUE BAKAYOKO'S agent says the Monaco star dreams of a move to Paris St-Germain. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/600629/Tiemoue-Bakayoko-Chelsea-Man-United-Arsenal-Monaco-PSG-agent-dream-rumours-gossip-news Fingers crossed psg don't show interest in him Great news. Hopefully he goes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Having a nightmare game against Spain. Him and Kante together just won't work against top midfields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, nono said: Having a nightmare game against Spain. Him and Kante together just won't work against top midfields. He is actualy having more than decent game...few good passes and two realy good dribbles through entire right side. First half, their midfield was Rabiot-Kante-Tolisso (by account of many we need more ''creative'' players to control the game, like Tolisso), and they got completely outplayed against spanish midfield. Couldnt even make two passes. Second half with Baka instead of Rabiot, they started playing better. Kante is average tonight too, but was better once Baka came in, because he can roam around more. First half he was sitting back and was completely lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, BlueLyon said: He is actualy having more than decent game...few good passes and two realy good dribbles through entire right side. You must really be blind. He gave the ball away for the penalty with a really dumb pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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