Antonio Rudiger

[Special Juan 27,429]

I can't believe how bad he actually is. The only good thing he's done this year is get Werner and hopefully gets Havertz and then we can fucking sell him.

[shrenshah 186]

Can we sell him as a player and still have him on contract as an agent

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[Strike 7,217]

It is a surprise how much Rudi has regressed this year. In the last two years, I'd be confident he would stop most of the Arsenal counters down that right side yesterday by using his pace and power.

Don't think there's any danger of Rudi being sold this summer. I think Zouma might be for a good fee or Tomori is loaned even though selling Rudi/Chris/Zouma makes more sense 

[killer1257 3,282]

Like I said many times before this season started. Rüdiger is famous for making stupid mistakes and lacks football IQ. It is too late for him to learn the basics.

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[King Kante 1,476]

On 02/08/2020 at 9:55 AM, killer1257 said:

Like I said many times before this season started. Rüdiger is famous for making stupid mistakes and lacks football IQ. It is too late for him to learn the basics.

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Have to agree. Even in the previous seasons he was doing stupid things but was bailed out. His primary problem is his how rash he is, however his lack of reading the game is a real killer imo. 

At the moment, our biggest problem is that our CB's collectively all have serious weaknesses in their game and no matter what combination you put together, they can be got at:

AC - Pros - Good reader of the game, knows when to step up (however this is actually a problem when playing with either Zouma or Rudi as neither do, so they end up playing people onside), comfortable on the ball if not spectacular. Cons - super weak physically for a CB and mentally weak too as mistakes get to him, also weak in the air. 

Zouma - Pros - super quick, strong and decent in the air (his aerial ability does annoy me though as it has no finesse to it as he just slams his head into things and it can go anywhere). Cons - Low football IQ, poor positional play, very poor with the ball under pressure. 

Rudi - Pros - Strong, quick and passionate. Cons - low football IQ, easy drawn out of position/cut in on, rash. 

Tomori - Pros - Comfortable on the ball, quick, good physical strength. Cons - overplays in dangerous positions, loses concentration often, short/weak in the air. 

Essentially all four are what I would class as CB3/4 for a top four side. For me Tomori/AC have more of a chance at becoming first team players at a top 4 club as they have a stronger grip on the basics and if they had someone leading them, I reckon their play would improve. Rudi/Zouma are pretty much at their level. 

[Special Juan 27,429]

On Saturday one incident sticks clearly in my mind was near the touchline where he tried to shield it and get royally mugged off.

[Kajo 176]

I don't think he's good enough to play for CFC. Just to imagine that at the beginning of the season when he was injured I was waiting for his speed recovery thinking he's our best CB and he's gonna improve our defence line... Oh boy how wrong I was! He's super prone to mistakes and quite often he's running like headless chicken.

[Puliiszola 519]

Apparently wanted by Liverpool. Sell god damn it, sell. 

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

I think he would look much better with someone like VVD.

[manpe 10,861]

6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I think he would look much better with someone like VVD.

Anybody would. If Liverpool want him for whatever reason, we mustn't sell and potentially strengthen their squad.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Panic Boy...

[Puliiszola 519]

8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I think he would look much better with someone like VVD.

To be fair, any one would.

[Vesper 28,822]

13 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

Apparently wanted by Liverpool. Sell god damn it, sell. 

and keep AC and Zouma???

we cannot buy THREE CB's in one window, lololol

well 3 good ones

[Puliiszola 519]

57 minutes ago, Vesper said:

and keep AC and Zouma???

we cannot buy THREE CB's in one window, lololol

well 3 good ones

Zouma has been our best CB so yes, I would say keep him

AC is shit, but getting a buyer in the current market will be even tougher. 

Point is most reports says that we need to sell one before buying, and if it's Rudi who can do that, so be it. We will hardly be losing a player of quality, and if we can replace him with Rice, then quite good.

[Vesper 28,822]

2 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Zouma has been our best CB so yes, I would say keep him

AC is shit, but getting a buyer in the current market will be even tougher. 

Point is most reports says that we need to sell one before buying, and if it's Rudi who can do that, so be it. We will hardly be losing a player of quality, and if we can replace him with Rice, then quite good.

Zouma is shit

he is absolutely a joke on the ball, and ball watches like Luiz

he is capable of a great tackle, but his overall game spatial awareness is just abhorrent

Rudiger pre injury was streets ahead

if he doesn't regain form (Rudiger) then he needs to go next summer as well

[Puliiszola 519]

Just now, Vesper said:

Zouma is shit

he is absolutely a joke on the ball, and ball watches like Luiz

he is capable of a great tackle, but his overall game spatial awareness is just abhorrent

Rudiger pre injury was streets ahead

if he doesn't regain form (Rudiger) then he needs to go next summer as well

Kante pre-injury was the best in the world and yet you want him sold. Despite him still putting in good performances

But on the other hand, we have rudiger who across the season has shown that he has fallen mightily in terms of quality, yet we are supposed to give him another season, while selling the player who was light years ahead of him in terms of CB play?

Nah, not buying it.

Zouma's great tackling might have ended up giving us a chance for CL this season. Rudi has done nothing. He is 27 and will be 28 next season, injury prone, so if he gets another one next season, thats it, he is done. There will be no market for him and we will have another dreg on our books. If we can make a decent buck out of him right now, we should do it. Get rice, see if tomori improves and see how ampadu does on loan. If both have a success, it's a massive win for us and we can move on from zouma and Ac next season (when hopefully the market would have stabilised and fans would be back).

[BlueLyon 9,359]

5 hours ago, manpe said:

Anybody would. If Liverpool want him for whatever reason, we mustn't sell and potentially strengthen their squad.

Tbh if we went on to buy Skriniar as Rudi replacement and a new CB that we need regardless like Carlos (just throwing a quality CB who is commanding in air), I wouldnt mind selling Rudiger to Liverpool. 

Its all about improving the backline and that would do it 10 times. 

I dont mind keeping Rudiger as he can be good CB, but he is too nervous. He will never improve that part. And that makes him a liability unfortunely.

[Vesper 28,822]

1 hour ago, Puliiszola said:

Kante pre-injury was the best in the world and yet you want him sold. Despite him still putting in good performances

But on the other hand, we have rudiger who across the season has shown that he has fallen mightily in terms of quality, yet we are supposed to give him another season, while selling the player who was light years ahead of him in terms of CB play?

Nah, not buying it.

Zouma's great tackling might have ended up giving us a chance for CL this season. Rudi has done nothing. He is 27 and will be 28 next season, injury prone, so if he gets another one next season, thats it, he is done. There will be no market for him and we will have another dreg on our books. If we can make a decent buck out of him right now, we should do it. Get rice, see if tomori improves and see how ampadu does on loan. If both have a success, it's a massive win for us and we can move on from zouma and Ac next season (when hopefully the market would have stabilised and fans would be back).

I laid out my very valid reasons for selling Kante onn a myriad number of occasions

I am not going to going to post them again

I will be proven right

bookmark this exact post

same for Zouma and AC, and if need be, Rudiger next year

I am so sick of the continual gas-lighting and rationalisation that have from certain quarters here

the results speak for themselves

we have a absolutely horrid defence

if Lamps tries to run the same drill and also shoehorns in Kante, plus we do not do much with the back 4 and GK, we are fucked

bookmark this

it will be how I am describing next year if we do not address all of the structural weakpoints Kante included

Kante cannot function effectively as the sole holding DMF and he is marginal at best as a RMF

he is tailor made for a dual pivot, counter attacking team like Conte runs

Lamps is not Conte

Kante turns 30 thsicoming season

Kante is now an often-injured player

Kante's value for resale is already greatly reduced, and will fall through the floor once he turns 30 plus

he is slight of frame and has been through the grinder for ages

Eden was not even slight of frame, but once he came within sniffing distance of 30, look what happened to him after years of being beaten on

I predicted that before he signed for RM, and it came true even beyond my expectations

the same will more than likely happen with Kante (and already is)

Zouma will NEVER become a Wc, or even near great CB

none of our CBs will, enless Tomori somehow pulls it off

Rudiger is what he is, but at least has years of proven service at a level above anything Zouma has shown

I am not saying he cannot be sold, but AC and Zouma need to go first

Zouma has a tonne of middling teams who fit his skillset, and they will pay decent money

sell AC first (or try to) but Zouma simply cannot be taken off the table if we cannot or will not sell the others

we need to raise funds, and due to Marina's past bullshit refusals to sell and crazy over-valuations, we are now reaping the whirlwind of vastly diminished returns on already well-proven SHIT

thank fuck we got in Werner and Ziyech, as if that had not happened and we went truly wonky this window (and ended up with very little upgrades at all, and had just brought in the usual panic-buy trash yet again) we would be staring down the barrel of the very real possibility of not even making the top 7 seven next year. In fact, let's say the true nightmare happens. We fuck up Havertz, and cannot find a solution to the Kepa nightmare and just decide to roll with him and Willy yet again. Add in a fail at Rice, and we do not unload any of our CB's and also bring in no new ones. Finally, we say, fuck it, we have failed in every other area, so we cave in and pay £70-80m for Chilwell, and that is it. No new wingers (we have only 3 true ones atm, if just one goes down it is scramble time for a sub as Mount will be out playing in MF a tonne, unless RLC steps up), no new DMF's no new CB's. We roll with Kante and Jorginho (as we cannot find a buyer for him) as the DMF's. and that tactical positional back and forth destabilises the team further (just like it did this year).

IF that is how it ends up (provide no January miracle buy) Lamps will be sacked before the end of the season, or be under insane pressure. We will have a good shot, even with Ziyech and Werner, of missing out on the CL/EL altogether, especially if Manure, and Spuds, and Arse and Leicester pull off some minor coups, and Wolves (who will have ZERO Europe distractions) hold onto all or most of their players. I am sure Everton will be better as well, never underestimate Carlo. Add in the rando  yearly surprise team, and we will be in a knife-fight for top 7.