Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Leif said: How on earth can a manager have any influence over a player consistently making dumb decisions? It's all up to the player; it's not like a manager made Messi great, Terry great, Hazard great, Luiz great. They made themselves great. Rudiger has only regressed, every single year, each season becoming less impressive than the last. He's shown 0 signs that he's going to improve any time soon. Players don't all share a magical commonality being that they always have room to grow and more potential to fill. Sometimes, even when you're 'young', you're just not that good, and aren't going to be. That's not to say he'll outright fail. He does have beef on him, which is all the Premier League needs now; well strength and pace. Classic case of "I never said he would fail" when in 6 months he proves you dead wrong. I don't even like him all that much but again what do I know? Well I know that this particular board has been in place for at least 5 yrs and have overseen 2 european cup, a few domestic cups and 2 leagues... but Leif knows best guys. LOL Managers improve players all the time. You don't think Luiz, Alonso, Moses improved under Conte's tutelage? Tactics often play into it and clearly this is a guy the club have identified on numerous occasions who fits in here and can fulfill a number of roles. You guys throw your toys out the pram for every signing that's not Messi or Ronaldo, yet its been the more astute signings of Alonso, Moses, Kante, Luiz that won us the title. Let this play out, no one thinks you know more than the scouts, board and manager... you're only here for our amusement and its getting tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I think he's dopey. Will be ok in some games and shoddy in others. In that sense he reminds me of Cahill. Would I love to be here in 6 months eating my words because he turned into Boateng? Without a doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said: I think he's dopey. Will be ok in some games and shoddy in others. In that sense he reminds me of Cahill. Would I love to be here in 6 months eating my words because he turned into Boateng? Without a doubt! I don't get you guys at all... On one hand you call Christensen, Franz Beckenbauer 2.0, the guy who should be given every chance to succeed. Then on the other you want Chelsea to spend 60m on Van Dijk who will most assuredly block Christensen and likely make him expendable. This is a depth signing with the potential to put pressure on some of our older players. People look at the amount and think automatic starter, I don't, I see squad player who can fill in for cup games and midweeks at a few positions. Decent signing for 30ishM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: This is a depth signing with the potential to put pressure on some of our older players. People look at the amount and think automatic starter, I don't, I see squad player who can fill in for cup games and midweeks at a few positions. People just need to look at Baba and Michy to realize that the club likes to spend around 30M on anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Can I just say, as someone who follows the Serie A weekly, some of what's been said about him is mental. I get that people will have very different opinions about players, but it's usually within a certain margin. You can't seriously say he's worse than Kurt Zouma! Now, I'm not saying he's Fabio bloody Cannavaro, but he is a German international. He's quite clearly a capable young defender. As for the comparisons with Manolas, they are very different players. Manolas is more of an aggressive traditional defender while Ruediger is more of a modern defender with great technique on the ball and a better football IQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Going to watch him in the cup final tonight see how he plays apparently he's in the middle off the back 3Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Rüdiger starting in the Germany game today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, the wes said: Rüdiger starting in the Germany game today Be keeping an eye out defending against likes of sanchez and vidal see How he fares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 excellent recovery tackle there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Looking really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 In conte I trust so rudiguer is a very good defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 mmm dosn't fill with me excitement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Jumping over the ball, just deal with it FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Jumping over the ball, just deal with it FFS. lol, he's probably thinking about the first time he was on the verge of signing for Chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 looks like someone who is supposed to be really fast, but isnt. good game other than the mistake at the end though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Rudiger has been very good so far not suprised + Germany isn't playing well. Rudiger will be a great signing for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 HE is a good defender but no a world class player thats all But very useful for our system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 What are his good traits, other than ambitious passing? I feel like his heading, tackling, awareness, fitness & discipline are under par. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard N Y Burgesson 139 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 just read that Charly Musonda could be heading to celtic. whether permanent or loan i don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Leif said: What are his good traits, other than ambitious passing? I feel like his heading, tackling, awareness, fitness & discipline are under par. Are you basing that on this game alone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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