Azpinator 2,325 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Tautvix said: This guy Cedric would be the type of signing we would loan out next Summer. I bet you said the same thing about Marcos Alonso when we signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 hours ago, the wes said: Cause Cancelo and semedo better Soares is not a great defender Giroud gets on front of Lacazette In the international team does that made Giroud better than lacazette?? Here I cant agree with you. Yes Laca is individualy better player than Giroud, but whenever I saw france play with Lacazette, he just didnt cut it. Giroud was much more efficient france played better aswell. And its not just coach preference. Lacazette simply didnt show enough, despite his quality. Same for Paulinho in brazil or in this case Cedric in portugal. Or Benzema. We might say Morata is better, but Zidane knows better. Morata might be better individual than Benz, but Benz makes Real team tick better, he makes the team as a whole better. They are more reliable, better team players and thats what you eventualy want. Only a team will win trophies. People often look individual qualities in players, but I rate players also on their success with team. Sure sometimes you have shit team and fantastic individual and still there wont be results. Thats why for example I rate Monaco players alot, because there is not just individual quality, but that team actualy achieved great results last season. Or Lille back then with Hazard. Valencia has few good individuals but as a whole, they are absolute crap atm, despite all the investement and talent they brought, they are very underperforming and honestly I dont see a single player there that could improve Chelsea as a team. Cancelo might put better input in attack individualy, but our balance in defence will be still bad, probably even worse than now. How can you say Cancelo is better defender than Cedric? I can guarantee you thats not true. I admit I havent seen them play many times past season, but two seasons ago Cedric was quite reliable defender and Cancelo was below average in defence. Then I checked fans opinions and they all agree Cancelo was even worse in defense last season. Dont get me wrong, I dont see Cedric ideal rwb or rb, but neither is Cancelo. We should aim at better fullbacks, but I dont agree with you that Cedric is soo poor and Cancelo much better as you say. The best portugal rb atm IMO is Ricardo Pereira who also played in france two seasons, which is perfect step before PL. Atm I would try to get him, Ox or Aurier. Anyone else available wont give Chelsea much improvement, except for being squad fillers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 hours ago, Jason said: Do we actually have any clue who we want? We have been linked with so many right backs over the past week it feels like we're buying lotteries and randomly hoping we strike jackpot with one of them. Yeah, I thought the same. Clubs like City, United, Liverpool got linked to single priority targets all summer and either got them or didn't, but Chelsea seem to be 'keeping tabs' on pretty much everyone without actually making a move for any player. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You just don't have to believe everything you read on the paper though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,558 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I`d go in with a 90-100m bid with Southampton for VVD,Soares and Romeu. 15m seems too cheap these days for just about any starter at any club in the prem.but if it`s part of a mega deal like 100m for 3 players then we could get away with it.35m then for Ox and we sorted out all our depth and starter issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-step-up-bid-for-20m-cedric-soares-and-remain-in-strong-position-over-virgil-van-dijk-a3612826.html Seems like he has been on the club's radar since April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jason said: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-step-up-bid-for-20m-cedric-soares-and-remain-in-strong-position-over-virgil-van-dijk-a3612826.html Seems like he has been on the club's radar since April Awfully convenient for them to say that now. Never hear his name linked with us before. Would be sad if Aurier can be had but we sign Cedric instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Wednesday the 16th an NOTHING so far. It's as if Chelsea star in their own drama, Waiting for Sandro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, Pizy said: Awfully convenient for them to say that now. Never hear his name linked with us before. Would be sad if Aurier can be had but we sign Cedric instead. http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/05/chelsea-target-bid-for-southampton-right-back-cedric-soares-6554474/ That's from April, of course it's only the Metro but still. Also seen some rumours maybe a month ago, saying the club are monitoring the situations of Bertrand and Cedric should other targets fail. I think it's clear he's not the first, probably not even the second or third choice for the club but by leaving it this late he might just be all that's left to buy if other clubs refuse to sell the higher priority targets. Either way, it's not an ideal situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jype said: http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/05/chelsea-target-bid-for-southampton-right-back-cedric-soares-6554474/ That's from April, of course it's only the Metro but still. Also seen some rumours maybe a month ago, saying the club are monitoring the situations of Bertrand and Cedric should other targets fail. I think it's clear he's not the first, probably not even the second or third choice for the club but by leaving it this late he might just be all that's left to buy if other clubs refuse to sell the higher priority targets. Either way, it's not an ideal situation. He's a decent player so I wouldn't be super upset if we sign him but I think we should be aiming slightly higher. Especially since the reported price tags on Cancelo and Aurier aren't even high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 12 hours ago, Tautvix said: This guy Cedric would be the type of signing we would loan out next Summer. same as drinkwater we need to sign players who will upgrade our 1st team 11 not a player whos going end like baba Rahman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akgw13 867 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 uninspired signing if it were to happen. Im sure he can do the job but it would show our intent for the season if we went from Ox/Aurier/Cancelo to Cedric. But people will get to say he is PL proven since that seems super important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miki-Liki 405 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 hours ago, akgw13 said: uninspired signing if it were to happen. Im sure he can do the job but it would show our intent for the season if we went from Ox/Aurier/Cancelo to Cedric. But people will get to say he is PL proven since that seems super important. Or even more ludicrous, when someone says that Drinkwater would be a great signing because he has "CL experience" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 hours ago, akgw13 said: uninspired signing if it were to happen. Im sure he can do the job but it would show our intent for the season if we went from Ox/Aurier/Cancelo to Cedric. But people will get to say he is PL proven since that seems super important. Well if we made signings somewhere in july, it wouldnt matter much, because they would all go through full preaseason and trainings. But right now, if we want new signings that will fit straight in with instant impact, im very certain that things like "did play in PL before" are quite important (and a bunch of othee details). Obviously not everyone that played in PL will guarantee impact, but its alot more possible than someone who never played in PL before. Kante, Rvp are two players I always keep in mind who have played in PL before and made instant improvement in Chelsea and United when they arrived. That has alot to do with quality of the players too, but then you had examples like Robinho who never realy made it in PL. Anyway, right now we are in extremely difficult situation. We need players that will give us instant impact, but I somehow doubt it will happen. Whoever we sign, will probably need "weeks of training to gain fitness and philosophy" etc etc. If we somehow manage to sign someone that will be match fit in two days or so, we will be blessed. Thats why I have no idea why people wanted signings this week, as if they would play straight away vs spurs. I gues the chances for that would be small. For me, as long we get business done, I dont care when. Be it tomorrow or last day of august. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,095 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 15/08/2017 at 11:04 PM, Jason said: Do we actually have any clue who we want? We have been linked with so many right backs over the past week it feels like we're buying lotteries and randomly hoping we strike jackpot with one of them. Or is it the rumour spreaders who have no clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,558 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 16/08/2017 at 9:24 AM, Jype said: Yeah, I thought the same. Clubs like City, United, Liverpool got linked to single priority targets all summer and either got them or didn't, but Chelsea seem to be 'keeping tabs' on pretty much everyone without actually making a move for any player. It's ridiculous. I think we have bought a fair amount of players..4. on a par with City and United and more than Liverpool (atleast I think so,i don`t really follow what other teams do that closely) just the other teams haven`t let so many go as us. at the end of the season we as fans thought we only really needed some more wing backs,possible upgrading at very few other spots but not so much of bad situation as we are now in..,we knew JT was leaving but we had Zouma and Ake so we had ready replacements for his spot,on the field anyway,we may never replace him for everything he gave us.let those two go but bought Rudiger and brought back AC so about even there I`d say..then the Costa shit became public knowledge,bought in Morata..so up front we even,Begovic (fair enough on his part wanted 1st team football.) Willy C not as good as Begovic but we still got one of the better deputy keepers in the prem..and if as thiings look we are hoping for at best a domestic cup win this season..he`s great at saving penalties.then Matic left and pretty much all our young candidates for a depth spot on our 1st team squad. we are running a formation that relies on Wingbacks and a solid true DM and are yet to see our only one play his first game in English competitive football. I think a lot of who we are linked to is media seeing our representatives in discussions with teams and so because we need wingbacks we are linked to theirs..kinda surprised we haven`t been linked to Leicesters FB/WB`s but really when it`s stuff like "Chelsea may be looking at so and so player" they could type that about any club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, Duppy Conqueror said: I think we have bought a fair amount of players..4. on a par with City and United and more than Liverpool (atleast I think so,i don`t really follow what other teams do that closely) just the other teams haven`t let so many go as us. True, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. My point was that the other clubs identify their targets and go at them hard, and will either be successful or move on to the next option. City got all of their primary targets (five incomings) while United got three out of four and only failed with Perisic so far. Liverpool apart from Mo Salah have done fuck all but they haven't lost anyone either. They tried for Keita & Van Dijk all summer but looks like a lost cause now. At Chelsea we seem to have this scattergun approach where there are tons of targets, especially for the RWB position, and nobody at the club has a clue who to really go after. It's not just bullshit media rumours when they link players with the club, because on a few occasions there has been a clear club briefing with detailed transfer plans but then later new targets seem to be coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Tbf Sandro and Cedric wouldnt be bad at all IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-dealt-cedric-soares-blow-southampton-demand-silly-offer-a3614576.html Southampton will only accept 'silly offer' for Cedric... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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