John Terry

[mccg 1,528]

His contract mess sort of epitomises Chelsea season 

 

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Maybe JT has announced this because he doesn't want to be in situation like Ash or Lampard - released at the end of the season without any fanfares.

[Fulham Broadway 16,967]

7 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

FB, did you read my post or did you read what you wanted to read ? In my previous comment, there is no anti-Chelsea, no anti-Board, no anti-Terry, no anti-nothing, really. No, actually there is a 'anti-something' ! And this is directed against 90% of the members of this forum who, while having absolutely no clue of what might going on in the board, have skipped the step 'think before you talk' to let the free reign to their emotions and who rue themselves to be the most outraged of the outraged virgins.

Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's dad and his cocaine deal ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's mother and mother-in-law stealing clothes ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry cheating his wife with his ex-teammate's ex-wife ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's saying racist stuff ? Did Terry was stripped of his England captaincy because of that, and did he was banned and fined by the FA ? Did Terry had to go to a civil court because of that ? Yes, fact.

I am so, sooooo so sorry if the things I aforementioned are not of your liking, but I did not write those articles no did I banned him and bring him before a court. In my previous post, while listing all those facts, I delivered absolutely no  judgment of value neither about the club nor about Terry... And the most important of all, did I say that what he allegedly done was true or not true ? No, no and no. And anyway, who gives a damn if it is true or not, at the exception of you lot ? Media and other teams' supporters do not give a damn about the veracity of those allegations — it paints Terry as a bad guy and eventually Chelsea as a disgusting club, that is enough for them.

Did all these scandals brought bad publicity to the club, did they pictured Chelsea as classless ? Were all these moments easy for the Club to handle ? It must be very difficult for a club to handle situations where its 'Captain, Leader, Legend' is being painted as a racist and an infidel husband whose mum steals clothes and whose dad sells cocaine.. don't you think ? And as you live in Europe, you should know that publicly accusing a public figure of racism is the perfect way to ruin his career — once you are labelled as racist, you are finished.

To conclude, what did I say in my previous comment ? This is pretty trivial. If the club wanted to disrespectfully get rid of John Terry like an old rag, they would have done it way before as they had several occasion to do so. And the best occasion would have been during the Ferdinand-gate. Why ? Because : 1) Benitez had already benched Terry and to sell a bench player is easier than to sell the captain of the starting eleven 2) Consequently, Benitez would have taken the most part of the blames and insults from the fans 3) Cech, Lampard and Cole were still around ; selling a legend while there are three remainings is easier to get rid of your last legend 4) they would have had the 'anti-racism' shield and would likely have been applauded by the football world to have taken action against racism.

But they did not got rid of him. Terry had been at several occasions at the center of various scandals and he mechanically dragged the Club into all this mess. Yet they backed him up during all these difficult times ; no armband stripped, no status degraded, no fine given and not even bench-time given ! Do you think this is disrespectful from the Club to have acted as such ? Chelsea FC have backed one of their employees during difficult times, they have supported him — is this not a class act ?

All I wanted to do was to point out that, even though all these knights of the Holy Virginity might bawl and shout all they want about how classless and disrespectful Chelsea is, if one thinks a few seconds (I won't dare to ask a few minutes) and analyze the relationship between Terry and the Club over the years, then one would notice that there is a lot of professionality, maturity and class between Terry and the Club and vice-versa — and thus those accusations of 'disrespect' would appear to be out of place.

But maybe that it is me who is out of place after all. Since Mourinho has fallen, this forum does not take kindly to common sense and well argumented debates. And I probably should leave the lot of you in your world of fantasies where Emenalo and the Board's members are irrevocably bad persons that do all those disrespectful stuff only to be mean toward innocent Chelsea fans and are the sole reason for which we are such in a dire situation and the sole reason for which our almighty best manager has been sacked.

That being said, it still baffles me that I have to go in length to explain a post that was apparently well enough written for a few people to understand — or maybe they actually read my post — while the vast majority of the members of this forum are having a field day for two months now, and all they do is to insult a Chelsea's employee and to label the Club and its board as classless and disrespectful and all — and everything is good for them... But oh well..

 

 Yes you quoted some of the half truths about his family -stuff that the gutter press like to look down their noses at -a working class footballer who comes from poverty and digging up . The best footballers come from the street, Sanchez, Messi, Costa, Rooney, Ronaldo all with troubled home lives and families -in Terrys case playing on Hackney Marshes and a council estate. Snotty journos who have had a middle class existence like nothing more than attacking a working class, or black boxer made good. The reason a horrible piece of shit like Joey Barton is still feted and prostituted around clubs is solely because he raises revenue, any other profession and he would be in jail.

It seemed to me your post was just rehashing media tittle tattle, trying to make out the board were being saintly in keeping him. The reason the club didn't get rid of him because the sum of the benefit  (trophies and money) outweighed the scandal factor by a mile. It has nothing to do with them being benign employers .No, it would have been a hard business decision based on his superb ability and the money he brings to the club, a decision based on sheer economics, plus the fear of fan backlash in terms of the boards own spinelessness. 

But if we have to drag up his private life lets not forget the other  stuff John does, all the out of club  boxing training routines he does to keep at peak fitness. The stuff that doesn't sell papers -like the millions hes given to charity, the lifts he gives to fans in his Bentley to away games, and all the selfless stuff for the Small Steps Project, Make a Wish Foundation, and at Great Ormond Street Hospital , spending time with children who have hours to live because of a hideous cancer.

Apart from that, the best defender in the Premier league and Chelsea best player ever.

 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

11 hours ago, Henrique said:

Just was thinking: the club actually never told Terry that his contract won't be renewed, instead said the next manager will decide. So, why did he decide to make everything public? 

1- Other clubs will understand the is available in the summer and his word will atract good offers from the likes of MLS clubs.

2- The next manager will be left in a situation that he will feel forced to give Terry a contract extention to win over fans.

Its a win or win situation.

This is exactly what I wanted to say. But the board also forgot that they have to treat Terry different from the rest. He's Chelsea through and through and should be offered a role in Chelsea. 

Get Terry a contract, he can always come from the bench in future because his advice is more valuable than someone else occupying the bench. 

My main annoyance about the situation though, is the thought of ivanovic as our captain next season. It does my head in

[manpe 10,861]

Some time has passed and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense provided the club are saying the truth about waiting for the new manager's input. Even with Ivanovic's case it makes sense at the moment due to having a resale value in case the manager doesn't want him either. I think JT might have played with our emotions a bit ("I won't be retiring at Chelsea"), or the other possible explanation is that the club is backtracking or JT just misunderstood the situation. Anyway, there is still hope.

[Roquila 1,335]

Funny how you all act like you never cheated or the thought crossed your mind .... I am also pretty sure some of you call people 'niggers' and 'retards' online too. But hey, it's always bad when someone else does this. Fuck the board.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

12 minutes ago, manpe said:

Some time has passed and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense provided the club are saying the truth about waiting for the new manager's input. Even with Ivanovic's case it makes sense at the moment due to having a resale value in case the manager doesn't want him either. I think JT might have played with our emotions a bit ("I won't be retiring at Chelsea"), or the other possible explanation is that the club is backtracking or JT just misunderstood the situation. Anyway, there is still hope.

Tbf, until the truth comes out one way or the other, I would take JT's direct quotes over the calculated response of some faceless PR employee of the club supposedly 'leaking' what happened to a single journalist. 

[Leif 6,006]

Peace has evolved into Hostility 

[Kieran. 6,317]

I just don't understand why anyone would side with the board and actually defend them. And slander our greatest player possibly ever and his parents in the process.

[Amblève. 4,995]

9 hours ago, Peace. said:

That being said, it still baffles me that I have to go in length to explain a post that was apparently well enough written for a few people to understand — or maybe they actually read my post — while the vast majority of the members of this forum are having a field day for two months now, and all they do is to insult a Chelsea's employee and to label the Club and its board as classless and disrespectful and all — and everything is good for them... But oh well..

Maybe some people simply disagree with you on a rational level for footballing reasons. C’est la vie...

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

8 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

 

Fine, if we take loyalty out of the equation, where does practicality come in?

In a team already short of quality and tactical nous, why take out the the most regular starting member of the back 4? If its left for assessment of the new manager (who we're not even sure will last beyond 6 months) , why did the same rule not apply to Ivanovic who was easily one of, if not the most under-performing player of the season?

I understand your opinion on Ivanovic, but you can't deny that that contract extension makes this situation with Terry look more strange.

 

 

 

 

He might be the most regular starting member now but will he be starting for us next season ? I don't think so.

Don't you think it's fair though that the manager gets to decide his squad when he shoulders the main blame if it goes wrong ?

Because he has resale value. We can sell him if the manager doesn't want Ivanovic.

Also giving Ivanovic a contract means no other club can pick him up for free. We have control over the situation. If another team wants him they would have to pay and we can sell him if the manager doesn't need him.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

1 hour ago, CHOULO19 said:

Tbf, until the truth comes out one way or the other, I would take JT's direct quotes over the calculated response of some faceless PR employee of the club supposedly 'leaking' what happened to a single journalist. 

Ah yes ofcourse, two sides tell their story. The first side tells his story, you go absolutely nuts (suggesting a boycot of a major game, calling it an outrage and insulting the board).

Other side comes out with their story a day later, you go hold on let's think about this, they might be lying (or twisting things) for their own best interest.

Maybe you should apply that thinking to Terry's version of the story aswell ?

[Leif 6,006]

Regarding resale value, plenty clubs would still pay £10m+ for Terry if he got a contract extension. Though I'm hardly sure 'plenty' would pay that for Ivanovic. In this situation I'd say Terry has made age irrelevant, and that neither would necessarily bring in a transfer fee higher than the other when you consider their abilities.

Teams all over would kill to have Terry. If he's still playing when he's 38, there'll still be the likes of America & Asia calling, whereas his next step, as in next season, will theoretically be walking into any elite team's XI. (It'd be nice for Jose to go back to Inter next season and take Terry with him, no?)

With Ivanovic, the best clubs I can see interested in him *now* are Napoli or Sevilla, and within the next few years, no top clubs at all. There's a reason for that. Reason being Terry is different class. Who else in our team is different class? Why would you let a commodity leave?

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

10 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

By this logic, 90% of clubs should sack their players because the bring a negative image, to name a few examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Rooney#Paul_Stretford_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Giggs#Gagging_order

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Ferdinand#Controversies

I would link more, but i don't have so much time in my hands........
I've already made an example, which i think is quite easy to correlate to, say you have the best civil engineer build your house, i don't think you'd care in the slightest if his parents sold drugs/stole clothes or he cheated on his wife.
No disrepect meant, but i feel like the only ones screaming like a virgin :"i'm holier than thou" is a few members who keep bringing his personal life issues into something that should be only a professional issue. No one here is holding Terry's name high in the sky for what he does/ does not in his personal life, no one could, and if someone does, chances are he doesn't know what he's talking about, we are talking about Terry the professional, who always did his job and always went that extra mile, the last player who has been at Chelsea his whole life and as far as his professional life is concerned he's been always impeccable.

[The Skipper 20,593]

9 minutes ago, Leif said:

Regarding resale value, plenty clubs would still pay £10m+ for Terry if he got a contract extension. Though I'm hardly sure 'plenty' would pay that for Ivanovic. In this situation I'd say Terry has made age irrelevant, and that neither would necessarily bring in a transfer fee higher than the other when you consider their abilities.

Teams all over would kill to have Terry. If he's still playing when he's 38, there'll still be the likes of America & Asia calling, whereas his next step, as in next season, will theoretically be walking into any elite team's XI. (It'd be nice for Jose to go back to Inter next season and take Terry with him, no?)

With Ivanovic, the best clubs I can see interested in him *now* are Napoli or Sevilla, and within the next few years, no top clubs at all. There's a reason for that. Reason being Terry is different class. Who else in our team is different class? Why would you let a commodity leave?

No one in their sane mind would pay over £10m for a 35 year old player. 

[Essien19 1,415]

22 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

He might be the most regular starting member now but will he be starting for us next season ? I don't think so.

Don't you think it's fair though that the manager gets to decide his squad when he shoulders the main blame if it goes wrong ?

Because he has resale value. We can sell him if the manager doesn't want Ivanovic.

Also giving Ivanovic a contract means no other club can pick him up for free. We have control over the situation. If another team wants him they would have to pay and we can sell him if the manager doesn't need him.

No, giving Ivanovic a contract means that he can do what he wants. If he doesn't want to leave, no one can make him, why? Because of the new contract.
Chelsea don't have the power, slavery days are over!

I don't have a problem with giving Ivanovic a contract for the record, but John deserves a new one too.
The new manager doesn't have to play him, but having John in the house isn't bad, imo. He can help the new coach out, help the youngsters and talk to the press!

 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 minutes ago, Leif said:

Regarding resale value, plenty clubs would still pay £10m+ for Terry if he got a contract extension. Though I'm hardly sure 'plenty' would pay that for Ivanovic. In this situation I'd say Terry has made age irrelevant, and that neither would necessarily bring in a transfer fee higher than the other when you consider their abilities.

Teams all over would kill to have Terry. If he's still playing when he's 38, there'll still be the likes of America & Asia calling, whereas his next step, as in next season, will theoretically be walking into any elite team's XI. (It'd be nice for Jose to go back to Inter next season and take Terry with him, no?)

With Ivanovic, the best clubs I can see interested in him *now* are Napoli or Sevilla, and within the next few years, no top clubs at all. There's a reason for that. Reason being Terry is different class. Who else in our team is different class? Why would you let a commodity leave?

No i don't think so. Age and lenght of contract play a great deal in player value. Terry does poor on both.

 

There is another reason though why Terry's situation is different then Ivanovic. Imagine if we give Terry his contract extension now and, in the summer, the new manager comes in and says he doesn't want Terry around and we sell him.

How do you think the fans would react to that decision ?  Going from thinking that Terry would still be at this club for another year to not being here anymore and it would all be because of that new manager.

Wouldn't be a good way to start your season as a Chelsea manager now would it ?

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

 

12 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

Think you're all missing the point. The board simply doesn't owe John Terry a new contract. They aren't obligated in any way to give John Terry a new contract.

John Terry has shown loyalty to us by staying, yes but the club has also shown loyalty to him by sticking with him through let's call them "unfortunate situations" ( the ones that Peace mentioned). 

Not to mention he's been paid quite well over the years here. Would he have shown the same type of loyalty to us if Roman didn't buy the club which allowed us to give him his £150 000 a week and made us a team that challenged for the biggest prizes ?

Probably not but  that's okay. Big players go to clubs (or stay at them) that pay well and challenge for prizes. So don't go acting like Terry was doing us some sort of favour by sticking around here. We simply never gave him any reason to look elsewhere.

It's perfectly fine to want Terry to stay and to be sad about him potentially leaving the club after his long time here (no doubt, he has been great for us) but acting as if it's such a disgrace, such an outrage that we aren't offering him a contract without knowing if the next manager wants him around is ridiculous and way over the top.

No of course Terry shouldn't be offered a new contract because the board owes him anything, he should be offered a new contract because it is clearly in the best interest of the club to do and he can still offer a lot to the club. 

Cahill and Ivanovic have market values (and to be clear, we're talking here about a few million, at most 5-7m and nothing actually worth while) not because of their age, but because we have offered them contracts. If it were possible, any team in the world right now would rather have JT in their ranks than any of Cahill and Ivanovic....except obviously our own board!

 

10 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Ah yes ofcourse, two sides tell their story. The first side tells his story, you go absolutely nuts (suggesting a boycot of a major game, calling it an outrage and insulting the board).

Other side comes out with their story a day later, you go hold on let's think about this, they might be lying for their own best interest.

If JT turns out to be lying, then I would take everything I said back and obviously he would have damaged his own image. But if 'exclusive source' turns out to be lying then the board would not be affected because they didn't actually put out a statement about. Some journo granted anonymity to an unknown faceless employee. 

So yeah, I would be A LOT more inclined to believe JT's side simply because he can actually be held responsible for it.