John Terry

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Just now, Styles said:

Not really, especially when the average salary in the UK is just under 27k per year.

If it's money that Terry is after he can go to China. Simples.

Yeah, and there are kids in China who get $30 per month making shoes, I'm sure that'll make you happy to take a 60% wage cut on YOUR salary...

Obviously it's not money he cares about because he is actually considering this plain disrespectful offer from the club. Not that he needs to make this decision to prove that he actually cares about the club and the fans and not just the money after all he has done and stood for in his time here. 

[Styles 9,790]

2 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Yeah, and there are kids in China who get $30 per month making shoes, I'm sure that'll make you happy to take a 60% wage cut on YOUR salary...

Obviously it's not money he cares about because he is actually considering this plain disrespectful offer from the club. Not that he needs to make this decision to prove that he actually cares about the club and the fans and not just the money after all he has done and stood for in his time here. 

Just under 3m a season for a 36-year-old back-up CB is great money. How is it a joke?

It just goes to show how well Chelsea looked after him during his prime years that he could take a 60% cut and still be on 3m a year.

No sympathy. Either sign da ting or move on. Them crocodile tears aren't fooling me.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 minute ago, Styles said:

Just under 3m a season for a 36-year-old back-up CB is great money. How is it a joke?

It just goes to show how well Chelsea looked after him during his prime years that he could take a 60% cut and still be on 3m a year.

No sympathy. Either sign da ting or move on. Them crocodile tears aren't fooling me.

It's a joke because no one in the world would take a 60% wage cut. It's unheard of.

Taking care of him? How charitable of the Chelsea board...

Last season, after he played every single minute of every game and was by far the best CB in the league, the 'crocodile' still accepted  a wage cut on a one-year only deal. 

And the vast majority of the fans remember and still very much appreciate his loyalty and dedication to the club. 

[manpe 10,861]

4 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

It's a joke because no one in the world would take a 60% wage cut. It's unheard of.

Taking care of him? How charitable of the Chelsea board...

Last season, after he played every single minute of every game and was by far the best CB in the league, the 'crocodile' still accepted  a wage cut on a one-year only deal. 

And the vast majority of the fans remember and still very much appreciate his loyalty and dedication to the club. 

Well his playing time will be a lot less also, much reduced wage for much less workload sounds fair.

[Tomo 21,733]

22 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Yeah, and there are kids in China who get $30 per month making shoes, I'm sure that'll make you happy to take a 60% wage cut on YOUR salary...

Obviously it's not money he cares about because he is actually considering this plain disrespectful offer from the club. Not that he needs to make this decision to prove that he actually cares about the club and the fans and not just the money after all he has done and stood for in his time here. 

Of course he doesn't have to take the offer to prove he loves the club or the fans, but I'm sorry I just simply don't subscribe to the theory he Is being shat on.

He has been paid well by us all over his career, we have also surrounded him with some great player's that has helped him pick up every trophy that he can possibly win (at Chelsea) and in return has given us nearly two decades of great service and performances, it's been an extremely mutually successful relationship.

But, ultimately, all things come to an end at some point, and while his Chelsea career may live another year, in my opinion his days of being a regular starter has long gone (I was hoping he would be one of the rare players that stay close to their prime until 40, but he has fallen off a cliff performance wise this season), and his wages have to mirror his role in the squad, same happened with Scholes and Giggs but were United shitting on them?

[Styles 9,790]

2 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

It's a joke because no one in the world would take a 60% wage cut. It's unheard of.

Taking care of him? How charitable of the Chelsea board...

Last season, after he played every single minute of every game and was by far the best CB in the league, the 'crocodile' still accepted  a wage cut on a one-year only deal. 

And the vast majority of the fans remember and still very much appreciate his loyalty and dedication to the club. 

Why shouldn't he take a wage cut if his role is likely to change quite significantly?

The reality is, he is worth 60k per week to Chelsea because he's old, won't play as much and they will upgrade the defence.

Chelsea took very good care of Terry and stuck by him through a lot of self-inflicted bullshit so yes, took care of him they did.

Last year was last year. This year he has played like shit and shouldn't be in the first 11 moving forward.

In every sport, the contract you sign at 36 will be very different to the one you signed at 28 (unless you go somewhere like China).

Whatever happened to just bowing out gracefully?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

19 minutes ago, manpe said:

Well his playing time will be a lot less also, much reduced wage for much less workload sounds fair.

It's not AT ALL a financial issue for the club. They offered this contract because no player would accept a 60% wage cut.

As I've already pointed out in this thread, any back up Cb we'd get instead of JT, even would with half the wages, would still cost us more because of the transfer fee.

Even if we give JT the 100K-120K he deserves and should get he would still cost less on FFP than the majority of the first team including back up players.

It IS however financial for JT who will be playing at best the season before his last in football after which his income will drastically decrease. Of course he has to consider this.

 

16 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Of course he doesn't have to take the offer to prove he loves the club or the fans, but I'm sorry I just simply don't subscribe to the theory he Is being shat on.

He has been paid well by us all over his career, we have also surrounded him with some great player's that has helped him pick up every trophy that he can possibly win (at Chelsea) and in return has given us nearly two decades of great service and performances, it's been an extremely mutually successful relationship.

But, ultimately, all things come to an end at some point, and while his Chelsea career may live another year, in my opinion his days of being a regular starter has long gone (I was hoping he would be one of the rare players that stay close to their prime until 40, but he has fallen off a cliff performance wise this season), and his wages have to mirror his role in the squad, same happened with Scholes and Giggs but were United shitting on them?

Pretty sure we surrounded JT with top players so that the club could win trophies. I don't think JT's medal collection was ever of concern to Roman and the board, tbh...

The club has 'shat' on JT in several clear ways regarding this contract, from not even contacting him or giving him any answers until the last week of the season, to delivering a PR low blow by publicly announcing offering him a new deal.

Did either Giggs or Scholes take a 60% wage cut from one contract to the next? I don't know but I would be willing to bet that they did not...

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

2 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

As I've already pointed out in this thread, any back up Cb we'd get instead of JT, even would with half the wages, would still cost us more because of the transfer fee.

Even if we give JT the 100K-120K he deserves and should get he would still cost less on FFP than the majority of the first team including back up players.

I'd say this is a nil item since if we don't buy a replacement this summer we'd almost certainly but one next summer. Either way, there's an FFP hit coming.

Only possible way around that is if Christensen, Tomori or Clarke-Salter are able to take JT's role in the squad.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

15 minutes ago, Styles said:

Why shouldn't he take a wage cut if his role is likely to change quite significantly?

The reality is, he is worth 60k per week to Chelsea because he's old, won't play as much and they will upgrade the defence.

Chelsea took very good care of Terry and stuck by him through a lot of self-inflicted bullshit so yes, took care of him they did.

Last year was last year. This year he has played like shit and shouldn't be in the first 11 moving forward.

In every sport, the contract you sign at 36 will be very different to the one you signed at 28 (unless you go somewhere like China).

Whatever happened to just bowing out gracefully?

The way the club treated him this season surely left no place whatsoever for this matter to end 'gracefully'.

The reality is, he is worth 60k per week? Based on what exactly? What are the economic or mathematical methods you used to arrive at this.

The way I ended up at 100-120K is I considered his current wage and factored in that usually in football, no one ever takes a wage cut higher than 30%...

We can talk about the 'role' all we want, but ultimately that will be decided by performances and injuries. Everyone was talking about his 'role' at the end of Rafa's time too....

Also, for someone who 'played like shit' (and I'm in no way saying he was good this season) he was still our best CB over the entire season, even over Zouma who had incredible games, but still regularly made amateurish mistakes, especially with his positioning and reading of the game. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

2 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I'd say this is a nil item since if we don't buy a replacement this summer we'd almost certainly but one next summer. Either way, there's an FFP hit coming.

Only possible way around that is if Christensen, Tomori or Clarke-Salter are able to take JT's role in the squad.

How is it nil? The fee is amortized for the length of the contract, so you'd be saving a year without that amortized fee, which can be used to sign another player we need a year earlier without affecting the budget.

The only youth player who's remotely ready to come into the side is Christensen and he's made it fairly clear that he's like to stay at Gladbach another season. 

[Clevemayer 764]

2 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

The way the club treated him this season surely left no place whatsoever for this matter to end 'gracefully'.

The reality is, he is worth 60k per week? Based on what exactly? What are the economic or mathematical methods you used to arrive at this.

The way I ended up at 100-120K is I considered his current wage and factored in that usually in football, no one ever takes a wage cut higher than 30%...

We can talk about the 'role' all we want, but ultimately that will be decided by performances and injuries. Everyone was talking about his 'role' at the end of Rafa's time too....

Also, for someone who 'played like shit' (and I'm in no way saying he was good this season) he was still our best CB over the entire season, even over Zouma who had incredible games, but still regularly made amateurish mistakes, especially with his positioning and reading of the game. 

Sorry Chou... I often value your input. The Chelsea-Board acted like idiots but Styles is right. JT is a legend, no doubt, he is our greatest ever captain, greatest ever CB (imho), but 60k a week, this is a massive amount for a player on the decline with a bit part role. He has been backed up extremly by the board, remember the ferdinand incident, where Buck and others did go to court for him? Remember that Story abt him and Bridgys Ex? So, the club stood by him even so England and the FA wanted to put him on is knees at that time. Club acted like idiots (again) could have handled it properly, giving him the same contract two months before... But him crying abotu a paycut whle earning so much money before and still earning money I probably won't earn for 3 years in ONE SINGLE MONTH... C'mon...

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

Just now, CHOULO19 said:

How is it nil? The fee is amortized for the length of the contract, so you'd be saving a year without that amortized fee, which can be used to sign another player we need a year earlier without affecting the budget.

The only youth player who's remotely ready to come into the side is Christensen and he's made it fairly clear that he's like to stay at Gladbach another season. 

Spend now, spend next year, the fee for a new CB will still come out of the budget at some point. More to spend on other players this summer = less to spend on other players next year.

[Styles 9,790]

Just now, CHOULO19 said:

The way the club treated him this season surely left no place whatsoever for this matter to end 'gracefully'.

The reality is, he is worth 60k per week? Based on what exactly? What are the economic or mathematical methods you used to arrive at this.

The way I ended up at 100-120K is I considered his current wage and factored in that usually in football, no one ever takes a wage cut higher than 30%...

We can talk about the 'role' all we want, but ultimately that will be decided by performances and injuries. Everyone was talking about his 'role' at the end of Rafa's time too....

Also, for someone who 'played like shit' (and I'm in no way saying he was good this season) he was still our best CB over the entire season, even over Zouma who had incredible games, but still regularly made amateurish mistakes, especially with his positioning and reading of the game. 

I've arrived at this number because that is what Chelsea have reportedly offered him. Now Terry has to decide if his contribution would be worth considerably more elsewhere - and it likely will be in China or the Middle East. I doubt any club in one of the top European leagues would offer Terry 5m+ per year at this current stage of his career.

Terry is the one that used the media first and put the club in a difficult position, especially as we did not have a manager secured at the time. The club simply responded with a chess move of their own and I respect their gangsta.

If Terry loves the club as much as he said on Sunday he will sign up, even for a paltry 3m a year

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Spend now, spend next year, the fee for a new CB will still come out of the budget at some point. More to spend on other players this summer = less to spend on other players next year.

But that's the thing, it doesn't equate that at all because the fee is amortized. I'm too sleepy to give a practical example but see how FFP costs are calculated here to get an idea of what I mean: http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/10/16/6968855/chelsea-ffp-database 

 

6 minutes ago, Clevemayer said:

Sorry Chou... I often value your input. The Chelsea-Board acted like idiots but Styles is right. JT is a legend, no doubt, he is our greatest ever captain, greatest ever CB (imho), but 60k a week, this is a massive amount for a player on the decline with a bit part role. He has been backed up extremly by the board, remember the ferdinand incident, where Buck and others did go to court for him? Remember that Story abt him and Bridgys Ex? So, the club stood by him even so England and the FA wanted to put him on is knees at that time. Club acted like idiots (again) could have handled it properly, giving him the same contract two months before... But him crying abotu a paycut whle earning so much money before and still earning money I probably won't earn for 3 years in ONE SINGLE MONTH... C'mon...

Yes, wages in football are ridiculous for all sorts of reasons that would take hours to get into. But in the context of wages in football and how they usually work, not in relation to your salary or the average wages in the UK or China, a direct transition from 150K to 60K is very extreme.

All I'm saying is that it is incredibly rare for football players to take 60% wage cuts. That's just a fact. 

[Clevemayer 764]

2 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

But that's the thing, it doesn't equate that at all because the fee is amortized. I'm too sleepy to give a practical example but see how FFP costs are calculated here to get an idea of what I mean: http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/10/16/6968855/chelsea-ffp-database 

 

Yes, wages in football are ridiculous for all sorts of reasons that would take hours to get into. But in the context of wages in football and how they usually work, not in relation to your salary or the average wages in the UK or China, a direct transition from 150K to 60K is very extreme.

All I'm saying is that it is incredibly rare for football players to take 60% wage cuts. That's just a fact. 

And not every Player earns  >100k a week for ten years, i know some normal wages, even 60k is above avarage. Take Inflation into Account. Thats a fact too mate. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

4 minutes ago, Styles said:

I've arrived at this number because that is what Chelsea have reportedly offered him. Now Terry has to decide if his contribution would be worth considerably more elsewhere - and it likely will be in China or the Middle East. I doubt any club in one of the top European leagues would offer Terry 5m+ per year at this current stage of his career.

Terry is the one that used the media first and put the club in a difficult position, especially as we did not have a manager secured at the time. The club simply responded with a chess move of their own and I respect their gangsta.

If Terry loves the club as much as he said on Sunday he will sign up, even for a paltry 3m a year

So your method of judging what the club offered him is to consider what the club offered him to be the bench mark? Yeah, that makes sense...

I think there would be quite a few English clubs who would offer him 5m+, but of course he would not player for another club in the league.

The thing about the manager has already been debunked several times in this thread as well as about him going to the media and players rights to get answers from the club 5-6 months before their contracts expire...

[Weckerz 3,781]

One year can be a massive difference if you're 35/36 years old. He's declining rapidly now and the club seems to want to move on and keep him as a backup CB, which is the right decision if we want to rebuild the squad. Different roles, different wages.. 60k p/w is very reasonable, I don't get the fuss

[anaoeeva 0]

Hi everyone!

 

First of all I am totally aware that this is not the appropriate thread to be posting this, please direct me to a more adequate one.

 

I am Portuguese and I am currently elaborating my masther thesis in Management, and my subjet is related to foreign investment in football. I would like to study Chelsea, but I can't find the clubs Financial Reports, can anyone help me? Where are they stored? I would need the reports since 2003 (that was when Abramovich acquired the club right?)

 

I would appreciate any help, seriously! Thanks a lot guys and sorry again for posting this on this thread.