A New Technical Director

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Uber Chelsea FC ‏@UberCheIseaFC 43m43 minutes ago

May start a petition to get Emenalo out this club

Uber Chelsea FC ‏@UberCheIseaFC 42m42 minutes ago

Would you sign a petition to get Michael Emenalo out of Chelsea?

[the wes 7,212]

I think its time for wee change I have nothing against Emenalo I would hire Ranieri has Technical Director cause hes good at buying players in his Chelsea days he spent well on good young players the like of robben cech lampard Joe Cole

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Never really got the vitriol being thrown at Emenalo... Its kind of strange.

Embolo on the other hand, he looks like a guy who is hungry and wants to succeed. I really hope we pursue this fellow and sign him this window, its clear we need another striker anyways why not him?

[Ossie the King 634]

21 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Never really got the vitriol being thrown at Emenalo... Its kind of strange.

 

Is it strange? The criticism seems to be that he's completely unqualified for his position and that a top European club should be appointing the best people in roles such as his. 

What qualifications would you say he has beyond being Roman and Avram's mate?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

3 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

Is it strange? The criticism seems to be that he's completely unqualified for his position and that a top European club should be appointing the best people in roles such as his. 

What qualifications would you say he has beyond being Roman and Avram's mate?

Why does that matter? judge by the body of work. What is his job? Has he done well? 

[Ossie the King 634]

Just now, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Why does that matter? judge by the body of work. What is his job? Has he done well? 

What does being qualified for a job matter? Quite a bit.

Considering the state of the club, the state of our summer and the lack of progression for almost any youth products I'd say he'd struggle to get a job at any other top club. People can say he signed young players but does he find them or does he rely on the expertise of our vast scouting network? Or does he just look at FM? 

If you're happy for a guy like that to be running the club you support then fine, but I think the supporters of this club who pay their hard-earned money each week deserve better. Just my view though. If you think he's the best Chelsea can attract then I'll respect your view.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

25 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

What does being qualified for a job matter? Quite a bit.

Considering the state of the club, the state of our summer and the lack of progression for almost any youth products I'd say he'd struggle to get a job at any other top club. People can say he signed young players but does he find them or does he rely on the expertise of our vast scouting network? Or does he just look at FM? 

If you're happy for a guy like that to be running the club you support then fine, but I think the supporters of this club who pay their hard-earned money each week deserve better. Just my view though. If you think he's the best Chelsea can attract then I'll respect your view.

You aren't judging the body of the work what you are doing is looking for someone with a name because you have some sort of elitist complex. I don't give two fucks where someone started their footballing pedigree from. For all you know he came to the club because of Avram and worked his ass off to get the position he's in now. He has an eye for talent, that much is obvious. He wouldn't be at the club otherwise and he wouldn't have the job he has specifically because he's a yes man to Roman... No club with the reputation and success Chelsea have operate that way.

What we do know is he's come aboard as technical director since 2011 and in the time we won the champions league, europa, fa cup, carling and the league. All that with a revolving door of managers.

He's also played a major role in uncovering some talented footballers like Mata, Azpilicueta, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Oscar, Willian, Musonda, Courtois, Kenedy to name a few. The Technical Director works with the MANAGER to find the players to play our football. In his time at Chelsea he's had to work with 5 managers... And we've had success.

 

Whether or not you choose not to acknowledge the good he's brought to the club is your prerogative but don't slight the man because you can't figure out how he was able to rise to prominence. Jose Mourinho was a translator and went onto become one of the most successful managers in history... When you can tell me what Emenalo's done wrong then we can have a discussion.

[Ossie the King 634]

9 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

You aren't judging the body of the work what you are doing is looking for someone with a name because you have some sort of elitist complex. I don't give two fucks where someone started their footballing pedigree from. For all you know he came to the club because of Avram and worked his ass off to get the position he's in now. He has an eye for talent, that much is obvious. He wouldn't be at the club otherwise and he wouldn't have the job he has specifically because he's a yes man to Roman... No club with the reputation and success Chelsea have operate that way.

 

An eye for talent? He has an immense scouting network and a virtually unparalleled budget as well as phenomenal facilities to use to entice young players to the squad. Fact is that football scouting is a small world and people not only know each other, but the hot young talents coming along. Eden Hazard wasn't an unknown. Neither was Oscar. Neither was Salah or Schurrle. Let's not forget for all his hits, there have been misses too and there's been no progress in youth development in that time. 

Also don't underestimate the stupidity and cronyism in place at even the largest institutions.

11 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

What we do know is he's come aboard as technical director since 2011 and in the time we won the champions league, europa, fa cup, carling and the league. All that with a revolving door of managers.

He's also played a major role in uncovering some talented footballers like Mata, Azpilicueta, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Oscar, Willian, Musonda, Courtois, Kenedy to name a few. The Technical Director works with the MANAGER to find the players to play our football. In his time at Chelsea he's had to work with 5 managers... And we've had success.

If you're going to attribute the Champions League success to him in some way (I wouldn't) would you also lay finishing 6th in the league at his feet (again, I wouldn't as it was probably too soon)? Of course you won't. Let's have a fair discussion.

Also Mata was uncovered by Real Oviedo at the age of 11. We signed him at the age of 23 after he'd won the World Cup. He wasn't exactly an unknown and neither were any of your examples. Maybe you hadn't heard of them but it's very, very rare that a player is signed from nowhere. That's simply not how football works.

15 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

 

Whether or not you choose not to acknowledge the good he's brought to the club is your prerogative but don't slight the man because you can't figure out how he was able to rise to prominence. Jose Mourinho was a translator and went onto become one of the most successful managers in history... When you can tell me what Emenalo's done wrong then we can have a discussion.

 

Jose didn't one day go from being a translator to being Chelsea manager. Even after Barcelona he started as an assistant and then manager at Benfica. Then he went to Uniao de Leiria to earn is stripes, then he went to Porto AND WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

 

Then we hired him. Again, let's just have a fair discussion without resorting to lies or misrepresentations.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

5 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

An eye for talent? He has an immense scouting network and a virtually unparalleled budget as well as phenomenal facilities to use to entice young players to the squad. Fact is that football scouting is a small world and people not only know each other, but the hot young talents coming along. Eden Hazard wasn't an unknown. Neither was Oscar. Neither was Salah or Schurrle. Let's not forget for all his hits, there have been misses too and there's been no progress in youth development in that time. 

Also don't underestimate the stupidity and cronyism in place at even the largest institutions.

If you're going to attribute the Champions League success to him in some way (I wouldn't) would you also lay finishing 6th in the league at his feet (again, I wouldn't as it was probably too soon)? Of course you won't. Let's have a fair discussion.

Also Mata was uncovered by Real Oviedo at the age of 11. We signed him at the age of 23 after he'd won the World Cup. He wasn't exactly an unknown and neither were any of your examples. Maybe you hadn't heard of them but it's very, very rare that a player is signed from nowhere. That's simply not how football works.

 

Jose didn't one day go from being a translator to being Chelsea manager. Even after Barcelona he started as an assistant and then manager at Benfica. Then he went to Uniao de Leiria to earn is stripes, then he went to Porto AND WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

 

Then we hired him. Again, let's just have a fair discussion without resorting to lies or misrepresentations.

So what exactly is his job??? This is such a ridiculous conversation! Either you look at what his job description is and acknowledge his role or this is just a retarded discussion. What do you credit him with??? You sound a bit moronic to say he's not qualified to do the job despite all the success then say you don't credit him for the good he's brought to the club because we have enough scouts in place to do his job for him... Why should we pay a mint for someone else to come in when they clearly would have no job yo do???? DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND. NOW???

We have the resources to bring in any world star, however, the job of the technical director is to FIND THE PLAYERS THAT FIT THE STYLE THE MANAGER WANTS TO PLAY! 

I don't underestimate anything what you fail to do is acknowledge you don't know why something is working. Perhaps in the ideal perfect scenario Chelsea would want someone who has played football at a high level, who went on to work at a big club, who after proving how incredible he is, gets hired by Chelsea... AVB comes to mind... But maybe, just maybe, Emenalo came to the club and proved he was ready for the position? How can you argue against it, the proof is in the trophies!

No one is crediting him solely with the success but by the same token you can't lay failure solely at his feet. The year we won the Champions league we tired DESPERATELY to get Modric. That failed and we ended up with Mata and Miereles. Later that year we signed Cahill... All of those players played a key role in us winning the champions league. So because we're not uncovering Lionel Messi before everyone knows who he is Emenalo's not doing an effective job? Brother you are making little to no sense at all. He identified players what would work for our team and for the manager and we were in turn successful.

Until you show me why an unknown can't have this job and prove where he's shown he's inexperienced, this discussion is moot. 

 

[Ossie the King 634]

20 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

So what exactly is his job??? This is such a ridiculous conversation! Either you look at what his job description is and acknowledge his role or this is just a retarded discussion. What do you credit him with??? You sound a bit moronic to say he's not qualified to do the job despite all the success then say you don't credit him for the good he's brought to the club because we have enough scouts in place to do his job for him... Why should we pay a mint for someone else to come in when they clearly would have no job yo do???? DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND. NOW???

First, relax. We're just two Chelsea supporters having a discussion. No need to use words like 'retarded' or 'moronic' now is there. I know you'll be reading that back feeling a bit disappointed in yourself because Chelsea supporters bring their lads up to be good, polite boys so we'll just ignore this little outburst.

Let's start with two statements though. He wasn't qualified for the job, which precludes the old 'judge him on his body of work' bit and secondly, he still isn't qualified for the job. That takes into account the job he's done. I believe both to be true.

22 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

We have the resources to bring in any world star, however, the job of the technical director is to FIND THE PLAYERS THAT FIT THE STYLE THE MANAGER WANTS TO PLAY! 

Increasingly we won't though with the way the football economy is going. I also disagree with the technical director finding players for the coach. What I think we need to do is establish a footballing philosophy find and coach players in that philosophy and also appoint a coach who fits that philosophy. By that measure, Emenalo has failed.

 

24 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

I don't underestimate anything what you fail to do is acknowledge you don't know why something is working. Perhaps in the ideal perfect scenario Chelsea would want someone who has played football at a high level, who went on to work at a big club, who after proving how incredible he is, gets hired by Chelsea... AVB comes to mind... But maybe, just maybe, Emenalo came to the club and proved he was ready for the position? How can you argue against it, the proof is in the trophies!

 

AVB didn't play at a high level but that's besides the point. We are a club in crisis. Before the season started, we decided we weren't going to defend the trophy. Emenalo and the board (who also need reviewing, except the person reviewing would be the person who hired them) failed in their duties and undermined the coach. That again goes down as a failure. 

26 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

No one is crediting him solely with the success but by the same token you can't lay failure solely at his feet. The year we won the Champions league we tired DESPERATELY to get Modric. That failed and we ended up with Mata and Miereles. Later that year we signed Cahill... All of those players played a key role in us winning the champions league. So because we're not uncovering Lionel Messi before everyone knows who he is Emenalo's not doing an effective job? Brother you are making little to no sense at all. He identified players what would work for our team and for the manager and we were in turn successful.

 

Again, the Champions League success was largely a fluke. We were the 6th best team in England that year and were mightily lucky in both the semi-final and final. We were a hair's breadth from winning it in 2008 but that wouldn't have meant Avram Grant was worthy of the Chelsea manager's job so I'm applying the same measure to Emenalo. Let's not forget that the manager we appointed had to be sacked because the personnel he had were incorrect for his system.

 

28 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Until you show me why an unknown can't have this job and prove where he's shown he's inexperienced, this discussion is moot. 

 

Isn't our current predicament reason enough? You probably support this club because a parent did and I'm assuming you'll want your kids to support them too. Isn't it only right that we appoint the best people for the jobs to act as custodians of this great club? If Emenalo is truly the best we can attract then I actually think we're in bigger trouble than even he stated.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

4 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

First, relax. We're just two Chelsea supporters having a discussion. No need to use words like 'retarded' or 'moronic' now is there. I know you'll be reading that back feeling a bit disappointed in yourself because Chelsea supporters bring their lads up to be good, polite boys so we'll just ignore this little outburst.

Let's start with two statements though. He wasn't qualified for the job, which precludes the old 'judge him on his body of work' bit and secondly, he still isn't qualified for the job. That takes into account the job he's done. I believe both to be true.

Increasingly we won't though with the way the football economy is going. I also disagree with the technical director finding players for the coach. What I think we need to do is establish a footballing philosophy find and coach players in that philosophy and also appoint a coach who fits that philosophy. By that measure, Emenalo has failed.

 

 

AVB didn't play at a high level but that's besides the point. We are a club in crisis. Before the season started, we decided we weren't going to defend the trophy. Emenalo and the board (who also need reviewing, except the person reviewing would be the person who hired them) failed in their duties and undermined the coach. That again goes down as a failure. 

Again, the Champions League success was largely a fluke. We were the 6th best team in England that year and were mightily lucky in both the semi-final and final. We were a hair's breadth from winning it in 2008 but that wouldn't have meant Avram Grant was worthy of the Chelsea manager's job so I'm applying the same measure to Emenalo. Let's not forget that the manager we appointed had to be sacked because the personnel he had were incorrect for his system.

 

Isn't our current predicament reason enough? You probably support this club because a parent did and I'm assuming you'll want your kids to support them too. Isn't it only right that we appoint the best people for the jobs to act as custodians of this great club? If Emenalo is truly the best we can attract then I actually think we're in bigger trouble than even he stated.

First off I apologize if you've taken offense. What I was trying to get across was you need to tell me why his isn't qualified, you can't say someone isn't qualified without justifying what the role of the job is. You've done that to some extent here so allow me a quick rebuttal... You say he wasn't qualified but what is that based on? You have no idea why he was given the job, perhaps in his time before being appointed he highlighted a number of talented players the club failed to act on. All we can go on is the job he's done since being appointed its a moot point to say "he should've never been given the job despite performing well in it" Maybe the club saw something in him and acted on it... It happens in business all the time, it happens in football too. You say he's not qualified? what are you evaluating? The players he brought to the club or the footballing philosophy of the club? If its the players he was responsible for bringing to the club I'm not sure I agree with you at all... As I've said before the role of the technical director is to work WITH the manager to identify the players he needs to fulfill a style or a philosophy. With the revolving door at the manager spot that has not even been identified let alone implemented. That isn't the fault of Emenalo, that is a Chelsea FC problem and moreover a Roman Abramovich character flaw. If you think the Technical Director's job is to implement a style and then find a coach to execute it, then I would say, judging by what we've seen from our club, that is far from how it is run and maybe that's why Emenalo is in the position. Our style and footballing philosophy throughout Roman's tenure has been dictated by our manager. 

If you disagree with how the club hierachy operates, that is something that we can go into but this isn't an Emenalo discussion. The club as a whole failed Jose but you can't lay all the failure at Emenalo's feet. We bid for Stones and didn't get it done, if the rumours are true we were also in for Pogba but Juve didn't want to sell. It was Jose who wanted Falcao and of the players we did bring in the only one that made no sense is Papi Djilibodji, who I haven't seen play at all. The signing of players is not the job of Emenalo, he FINDS the players and a committee work towards getting a signature. Jose only had a few targets, he wanted maybe 3 players to add to the squad and the club failed to deliver the two big ones, sometimes teams don't want to sell and you can't just go out and find another Pogba or Stones.

Its not about what we can or cannot attract its the structure currently in place at the club. The Technical Director is supposed to work with the manager to find players to play a certain style, if what you're saying is we should have our philosophy defined by our technical director then we may have something to talk about. Right now Emenalo has done a pretty good job at highlighting talent if you take into account what his job description is, if you fail to acknowledge his role in getting players to the club then I don't know what we're even talking about.