Closed Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0-4 Chelsea

[MefiX19 1,092]

I think if we draw vs Porto, and given a Dynamo win over MTA, the group rankings go through the tiebreaker process since all three would have 11 points and we would be second not first.

First tiebreaker for rankings in the group is total points vs all teams tied, and each of the three would have five points vs each other only so on to tiebreaker number 2, which is goal differential among tied teams in games against each other only, which would leave Dynamo +1, Chelsea 0 and Porto -1, thus second place for Chelsea.

We beat Porto and on to knockout stage as group winner.

Don't make it complicated, if we win or draw and Kiev win we a going to be on top, because of goal difference if we lose and Kiev win we are out.

So its just points in first place, than goal difference and then that thing.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Bt sport saying we need a draw to top group

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

2011/2012 season scenario all over again, if it means we will win the damn cup again i will take it lol , but seriously now, it's still in our own hands, if the team farks this up, they only have themselves to blame really, all this could have been avoided if we had won in Kiev, all those wasted chances, just typical. Damn, it's never easy for Chelsea is it? always twists and drama until the end. The team nerve and resilence is being put to the test by football Gods really. Cheers

The Football Gods have an agenda this season will stop at nothing until Chelsea and all their fans understand the true meaning of suffering/tragedy.

I swear Shakespeare is writing the script for this season.

Im really getting heated at Port for failing to win that match.. I can just see us blowing this match, not confident at ALL.

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

we need to win to go top of group, if we tie and Kiev win, Kiev go top.

like i said to another member here, and i made a mistake, after checking again, the scenario is: if we draw against Porto and Dynamo win their game, we will all be tied on points and Porto will take top spot because of head to head against us and we will qualify in 2nd because of better head to head and goal difference against Dynamo. Better scenario for us is of course a win against Porto and we take top spot, that's all there is to it really. Cheers

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Just dont lose to Porto!

[Rmpr 8,977]

Isn't the second tiebreaker in this scenario goal differential in GAMES PLAYED AGAINST TIED TEAMS only? I believe this correct and would result in Dynamo +1, Chelsea 0 and Porto -1.

Oh shit that might be right. I thought after head to head points it would be overall GD but now I am not sure...

EDIT: Yes, its GD only between the teams in question, so our 8 gal difference counts for nothing!

[iseah100 5,612]

Just win and they don't have to worry about other results. Easier said than done.

[Henrique 9,133]

Ok so if we draw with Porto and Dinamo beat Maccabi the scenario will be as follows...

All 3 teams with 11 points and 5 in between. So the next untying rule would be goal difference and ours is better than Porto and Dinamo by 5 goals, which means we would probably finish first. We would only finish second if Kiev scores 5 more goals than Tel Aviv (which is unlikely).

Its not THAT bad. We just need to make sure we dont lose at home!

Dude, next untying is not goal difference, is the results between all teams. If we draw with Porto and Beat Maccabi:

Chelsea 6 points.

Porto 5 points.

Dynamo 5 points.

So, goal difference doesn't matter here, a draw is enough to finish 1st.

[MefiX19 1,092]

Isnt it goal difference if teams have same amount of points and than that thing?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Bt sport saying we need a draw to top group

Likely that is indeed the case. But if Kiev win by 6 or more they go top on goal difference, or if Kiev fail to beat Tel Aviv Porto go top by head-to-head against us.

EDIT: Actually it's goal difference in games between tied teams only. Forgot they changed that. Disregard the first part of that sentence. Second part still true.

[Jase 43,479]

Matchday 6 permutations:

We can afford to lose and still qualify if Dynamo Kiev fail to beat Maccabi Tel-Aviv but that's unlikely...

[Rmpr 8,977]

Dude, next untying is not goal difference, is the results between all teams. If we draw with Porto and Beat Maccabi:

Chelsea 6 points.

Porto 5 points.

Dynamo 5 points.

So, goal difference doesn't matter here, a draw is enough to finish 1st.

If you are going to correct someone make sure you arent being even more dumb than me lmao...

Btw, I already orrected myself.

[Starman60 1,343]

A win against Porto and we finish top. A draw we finish second. Sky sports says so and thats final

(But I may be wrong )

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

The Football Gods have an agenda this season will stop at nothing until Chelsea and all their fans understand the true meaning of suffering/tragedy.

I swear Shakespeare is writing the script for this season.

Im really getting heated at Port for failing to win that match.. I can just see us blowing this match, not confident at ALL.

Let's all hope that the team shows that they mean business and win to top the group and qualify. Let's hope for the best and with home support, i think the team can do it and give the fans and everyone associated with Chelsea more reason to cheer. KTBFFH

[Chelsea Buzz 487]

This is getting humorous on the tiebreaker scenarios and rules. There are more explanations than Steven Gerrard goofs.

From the Internet, and we all know how reliable it is (ha!):

The teams are ranked according to points (3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss). If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied in the order given to determine the rankings (regulations Article 17.01):^[1]

1. higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
2. superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
3. higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
4. higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question;

[zolayes 14,489]

A win against Porto and we finish top. A draw we finish second. Sky sports says so and thats final

I can believe it if Sky says that .. BUT not the BBC at one time tonight they had Porto 1st Porto 2nd Kiev 3rd Maccabi 4t h and we werent even listed

[Chelsea Buzz 487]

Matchday 6 permutations:

We can afford to lose and still qualify if Dynamo Kiev fail to beat Maccabi Tel-Aviv but that's unlikely...

Yes! This is correct as I know it. Just like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Seriously, I believe you have it 100% spot on!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I think we go through regardless on the combined volume of players' hair which is clearly greater than everyone else's due obviously to the Willian effect...

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Fuck all this math. Just go out there and beat Porto at stamford bridge. It's the mentality of 'a draw is enough' that costed us a place in the quarter finals last year. Dynamo will hundred percent beat Tel aviv.

[Henrique 9,133]

If you are going to correct someone make sure you arent being even more dumb than me lmao...

Btw, I already orrected myself.

lol

Actually we also have 5 points from those games. We might not end in first if Dynamo score enough goals.