Pedro Rodríguez

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1 hour ago, Gilvorak said:

It's kinda sad that Pedro just had his best game for us & the main discussion on here is replacing him. Mane would've been the ideal candidate.

I agree that is it a bit cold, but Pedro has not exactly been amazing since joining us. I am sure that the talk of replacing him will cool down if he can replicate his form from the last few games for the next month or two. 

Still, I think it is hardly unfair to say that Pedro is more limited than Hazard. This season getting into the top4 is the goal, but how long is that enough? Costa and Hazard are world class, but can the same be said for Pedro? I see him as an excellent squad player, kind of filling the same role as Kalou, but to be our first option for RW in the years to come? I think it is a position we should look into reinforcing, maybe not in January, but next summer for sure. 

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3 hours ago, communicate said:

That will destroy the balance in the team. To have a balance team you can only have one player who does not really defend (hazard),

 

This is BS, everyone in the team defends, Hazard included. Pedro is playing not because he defends really well, but because he is a more direct threat than Willian or Oscar, which suits that right forward position well. Mahrez would fit perfectly.

 

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Even if James is more attainable than Griezmann, it doesn't mean we have to go for him. As good as a player he is, I don't think he's what we need to play in the front 3. As for Griezmann, yes, Atletico are a top side but we all know they aren't capable to win trophies season in season out like some of the other big sides and sooner or later, Griezmann is likely to leave them. Things could also easily change when Simeone leaves Atletico. He recently reduced the duration of his new contract by 2 years and has been linked with several clubs around Europe. And the main reason Griezmann is staying at Atletico is because of Simeone. If Simeone leaves, then anything could easily happen with Atletico's players.

Man, i want Griezmann as much as you do, he is perfect for Pedro's position, but it's not like he is more attainable than James, he is not attainable at all right now, period. You created a hypothetical situation that he would be, well, if that happens we can talk about signing him, but i don't think it will happen and there are teams willing to splash more cash than Chelsea. 

About James, i think he would fit like a glove, he is not as fast and agile as Griezmann but he is more technical and creative, both are overall in a similar level on their best. Hazard is already a lightning fast and they would complement themselves very well. James would be better to create situations for Costa too.

1 hour ago, Gilvorak said:

It's kinda sad that Pedro just had his best game for us & the main discussion on here is replacing him. Mane would've been the ideal candidate.

I never rated him since Barcelona, he just had his best game at Chelsea but probably the only one too.

Any chance Isco leaves Real anytime soon?

Same as James probably, but he is more like a CM/AM and James a AM/RF. The 3-4-3 doesn't suit Isco very well.

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2 hours ago, Gilvorak said:

It's kinda sad that Pedro just had his best game for us & the main discussion on here is replacing him. Mane would've been the ideal candidate.

Because he's a limited player.

I said the same thing about Willian and people was like selling him in the summer was dumb and all this stuff....really? When a player peeks and you can upgrade you do it. 

I remember when Malouda had that amazing season with Carlo title run, that was his peek and it was time to sell. But no we kept him and end up leaving on a free.....

Players like Malouda, Willian, Pedro are limited and when they hit their peek you should look to upgrade. 

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12 hours ago, Jason said:

 

If we want to succeed big time, then we gotta pay big money to get the big players. Haven't we been complaining about the board being too stingy and ended up buying average players who don't add anything to the squad? And until Mahrez can prove last season's achievement was no fluke and he's not a one-season wonder, I'd suggest we stay away from him.

He's turning 30 next year. Would suggest we look elsewhere.

True but I think Payet is a late bloomer ala Drogba. If he can have 3 good seasons that's totally worth it. 

And hey if we can't get Griezman till two years from  now, then Payet would be a good stop gap till then. 

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12 minutes ago, Fernando said:

True but I think Payet is a late bloomer ala Drogba. If he can have 3 good seasons that's totally worth it. 

And hey if we can't get Griezman till two years from  now, then Payet would be a good stop gap till then. 

I do agree with you on the three seasons thing. People are too obsessed with so called long term signings. 'Sign player X (age 23) and he'll be here for the next ten years!' How often does that actually happen? Not often. Anything can happen. Look at Mata, De Bruyne, Sturridge, David Luiz (back but sold initially of course) and others.

A player who can come here and perform for two, three years (and still be valuable after as a veteran) would be extremely valuable. Especially as Chelsea try to get back to the top.

Payet plays in Hazard's position though.

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4 minutes ago, DYC. said:

I do agree with you on the three seasons thing. People are too obsessed with so called long term signings. 'Sign player X (age 23) and he'll be here for the next ten years!' How often does that actually happen? Not often. Anything can happen. Look at Mata, De Bruyne, Sturridge, David Luiz (back but sold initially of course) and others.

A player who can come here and perform for two, three years (and still be valuable after as a veteran) would be extremely valuable. Especially as Chelsea try to get back to the top.

Payet plays in Hazard's position though.

Yeah you need a good blend. 

I definitely agree on spending big on younger players, but its not good to have a team stack of younger players. 

You need to have your more established/older player here and there. A good balanced is needed. 

And Yes Payet plays in Hazard position, but Hazard is more flexible me thinks. 

Payet to me is the upgrade to Oscar, not really Pedro. Pedro an upgrade would be A. Sanchez but that's impossible. So I would happily take someone like Di Maria. 

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I can't see Roman spending for Griezmann, Dybala type of highly desired and expensive players tbh. I would not be surprised to see more transfer like Alonso. That's why I think we might go for Belotti, who I think would not have much trouble adapting to our system or Premier League.

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4 hours ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Man, i want Griezmann as much as you do, he is perfect for Pedro's position, but it's not like he is more attainable than James, he is not attainable at all right now, period. You created a hypothetical situation that he would be, well, if that happens we can talk about signing him, but i don't think it will happen and there are teams willing to splash more cash than Chelsea. 

If you think we won't splash the cash on Griezmann, then makes you think we will for James? It's not the like latter will come in cheap either and if I'm speaking hypothetically, then what about you? Sure, James isn't exactly happy at Real right now but there's no guarantee they will sell him given they have the transfer ban hanging over them.

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16 minutes ago, Jason said:

If you think we won't splash the cash on Griezmann, then makes you think we will for James? It's not the like latter will come in cheap either and if I'm speaking hypothetically, then what about you? Sure, James isn't exactly happy at Real right now but there's no guarantee they will sell him given they have the transfer ban hanging over them.

Let's suppose Griezmann has the 100M buyout clause, i don't think the board will agree to pay this kind of money, the likes of United, City and PSG will offer obscene wages too. If he doesn't have, Atletico will demand even more. James could leave for something like 60M based on Di Maria and Ozil deals, which i can see us paying if we really want the player.

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2 hours ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Let's suppose Griezmann has the 100M buyout clause, i don't think the board will agree to pay this kind of money, the likes of United, City and PSG will offer obscene wages too. If he doesn't have, Atletico will demand even more. James could leave for something like 60M based on Di Maria and Ozil deals, which i can see us paying if we really want the player.

Again, hypothetical situation. There's no guarantee he'll go for 60m just because the other two went for that price. And if you take the transfer ban into the equation, would Real want to sell and leave themselves short?

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2 hours ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Let's suppose Griezmann has the 100M buyout clause, i don't think the board will agree to pay this kind of money, the likes of United, City and PSG will offer obscene wages too. If he doesn't have, Atletico will demand even more. James could leave for something like 60M based on Di Maria and Ozil deals, which i can see us paying if we really want the player.

Might be a while before either of them leave with the transfer bans.

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4 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

I can't see Roman spending for Griezmann, Dybala type of highly desired and expensive players tbh. I would not be surprised to see more transfer like Alonso. That's why I think we might go for Belotti, who I think would not have much trouble adapting to our system or Premier League.

Of course we will spend big if we win the PL. 

A lot of money from the PL and back into the CL. 

 

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Just now, Fernando said:

Of course we will spend big if we win the PL.

That didn't happen last time we won the PL or any other year recently. That's  why I don't expect any transfers like Dybala or Griezmann.

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1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

Might be a while before either of them leave with the transfer bans.

Griezmann yes, it's Atletico's best player and they couldn't replace him, well, i don't think they'll sell regardless of ban, unless the player forces. James on the other hand is barely playing and is upset for it, i can see him leaving even with the ban.

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Again, hypothetical situation. There's no guarantee he'll go for 60m just because the other two went for that price. And if you take the transfer ban into the equation, would Real want to sell and leave themselves short?

Yes, it's hypothetical, but it's very logical. James is not playing, so the transfer ban it won't matter to them because they have a lot of options in the position and they won't keep an unhappy player losing value.

Of course we will spend big if we win the PL. 

A lot of money from the PL and back into the CL. 

I think we will spend big, but reasonably, nothing like Pogba.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

This is BS, everyone in the team defends, Hazard included. Pedro is playing not because he defends really well, but because he is a more direct threat than Willian or Oscar, which suits that right forward position well. Mahrez would fit 

 

It was pretty obvious hazard did not do much running defending wise. Both in term of pressing and running back whereas pedro did much more. Without the running and the pressing from pedro and costa, we will not be a balance team.