LAM09 7,051 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Or if we just pay his release clauseWhich is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 or MU or Man City or Barcelona or Real Madrid or whoever got many top strikers over the years...The problem with us is that we always spend the money on wrong players at wrong time that doesn't fit our system, Drogba was the only success. For example if we signed Falcao in 2012, Cavani last summer, Suarez in 2011...etc they would all be banging them in for us now.I am still dumbfounded by January 2011. Was no one at CFC watching Suarez for Ajax and Uruguay? Did they not see that Torres was not moving as well as in the past? then, send Matic to Benfica for nothing while CFC have nothing in center midfield.As much as Chelsea certainly need a striker (and I'm still not much of a Lukaku fan), I am still equally concerned about center midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Looked dangerous today, really dangerous.Always plays on the shoulder and took his goal brilliantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Which is?32mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 As much as Chelsea certainly need a striker (and I'm still not much of a Lukaku fan), I am still equally concerned about center midfield. I've been touting Kovacic as a must grab this summer for that (in the likely summer transfers topic), he's going to be a beast. I've also just recently doubted my thinking that it will be impossible to sign him. With no European football Inter are in so much financial trouble they have to accept any money and cheap players clubs send their way. So I'm guessing a cheap Mikel and a lot of money for this little guy and we are in buisness. Every club deals with debt but apparently Inter are have big problem int he money department and Chelsea pockets know how to talk.So much brawn shown by Costa today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 32milNews to me. We will have to wait and see then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I've been touting Kovacic as a must grab this summer for that (in the likely summer transfers topic), he's going to be a beast. I've also just recently doubted my thinking that it will be impossible to sign him. With no European football Inter are in so much financial trouble they have to accept any money and cheap players clubs send their way. So I'm guessing a cheap Mikel and a lot of money for this little guy and we are in buisness. Every club deals with debt but apparently Inter are have big problem int he money department and Chelsea pockets know how to talk.So much brawn shown by Costa today.I'm glad someone can watch Inter Milan and give us an opinion. Every time I've tried to watch Inter, I've been impressed by one defender and/or let-down by the team's overall performance. change the channel.. I do know that they have good players; problem is, the team has rarely impressed me on the pitch. total snoozers.At this moment, I do not have recommendations for center midfielders. K.Strootman was one of my top recommendations previously (we know he went to AS Roma). discussed many superstars and squad players on another online forum; after Chelsea have failed to sign strong CMs for years now, I'm just tired of it. Every window for the past 3.5 years went by and no one really good came to Chelsea until Matic returned. Now Matic is the best center midfielder Chelsea have. Want to run him into the ground? Get some depth and quality, please. My only thought for this summer, for Chelsea is to try for one superstar CM and one strong squad player CM for depth. Right now, we're looking at about 3 players for the CM pair: Matic, Ramires, and vanGinkel. Cannot count Lampard IMO--either leaving or just too slow (never was a strong center midfielder IMO) and Mikel is surely leaving (I can hope). That leaves us with 2 known quality CMs in Ramires and Matic for next season and one unknown quantity in vanGinkel. So, if no one is ready to come up from the reserves and play well enough, Chelsea should probably be buying 3 center midfielders. If one player will come up from reserves: buy two CMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 If we get Costa, somehow Torres has to be included. Hell even if it means paying more Costa. Get Torres to take a pay cut, send him there for free, buy Costa for the asking price, offer Courtois for one or two more seasons. Just about anything is worth having Burger Van Torres off the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I'm glad someone can watch Inter Milan and give us an opinion. Every time I've tried to watch Inter, I've been impressed by one defender and/or let-down by the team's overall performance. change the channel.. I do know that they have good players; problem is, the team has rarely impressed me on the pitch. total snoozers.At this moment, I do not have recommendations for center midfielders. K.Strootman was one of my top recommendations previously (we know he went to AS Roma). discussed many superstars and squad players on another online forum; after Chelsea have failed to sign strong CMs for years now, I'm just tired of it. Every window for the past 3.5 years went by and no one really good came to Chelsea until Matic returned. Now Matic is the best center midfielder Chelsea have. Want to run him into the ground? Get some depth and quality, please. My only thought for this summer, for Chelsea is to try for one superstar CM and one strong squad player CM for depth. Right now, we're looking at about 3 players for the CM pair: Matic, Ramires, and vanGinkel. Cannot count Lampard IMO--either leaving or just too slow (never was a strong center midfielder IMO) and Mikel is surely leaving (I can hope). That leaves us with 2 known quality CMs in Ramires and Matic for next season and one unknown quantity in vanGinkel. So, if no one is ready to come up from the reserves and play well enough, Chelsea should probably be buying 3 center midfielders. If one player will come up from reserves: buy two CMs.Inter aren't so bad to watch, they relax too much and have to scramble in last minutes usually but they lose because they drop the ball as opposed to being overwhelmed. A LOT of misses of clear cut chances has hurt them bad and they were serious about qualifying for CL or at least Europa at the start of the season, they had goals to tweaking this team into a CL team for next season.That's a lot of CM's to acquire and we don't have room for 3 but I see your point and maybe 2 would be good. I think there is only space for 1 more CM with Ginkel as we will have 4 players trying for essentially 2 spots and the odd game where we employ a trivote and 3 are needed. Only under circumstances will we need a 5th or even 6th and I don't think that should be enough to lure us into spending. The thing is if we buy a young 4th CM those 'circumstances' that would require us to call up a 5th place CM might actually happen, young players seem to come with unexpected injuries and such We have some CM's in the academy that aren't really wonderkids like Kovacic but they could work to give us a CM in cases of emergency and even provide and English player. We want a youthful team that could stick together for a while and for us to win now doing that we have to snatch up the best possible young players. It the current market you have to buy young players with potential quickly because their price becomes absurd once they begin to show real promise like Pogba. Which ever CM we buy I think it would be a waste to accompany them with 2 other players looking for more or less the same openings in playing spots, 1 academy player should be enough. HOWEVER, as we have seen recently Luiz can play well with Matic and if the club and David agree that he should not be sold than we don't need a 5th signing for CM as David Luiz has the qualities Mourinho likes to play in the pivot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Inter aren't so bad to watch, they relax too much and have to scramble in last minutes usually but they lose because they drop the ball as opposed to being overwhelmed. A LOT of misses of clear cut chances has hurt them bad and they were serious about qualifying for CL or at least Europa at the start of the season, they had goals to tweaking this team into a CL team for next season.That's a lot of CM's to acquire and we don't have room for 3 but I see your point and maybe 2 would be good. I think there is only space for 1 more CM with Ginkel as we will have 4 players trying for essentially 2 spots and the odd game where we employ a trivote and 3 are needed. Only under circumstances will we need a 5th or even 6th and I don't think that should be enough to lure us into spending. The thing is if we buy a young 4th CM those 'circumstances' that would require us to call up a 5th place CM might actually happen, young players seem to come with unexpected injuries and such We have some CM's in the academy that aren't really wonderkids like Kovacic but they could work to give us a CM in cases of emergency and even provide and English player. We want a youthful team that could stick together for a while and for us to win now doing that we have to snatch up the best possible young players. It the current market you have to buy young players with potential quickly because their price becomes absurd once they begin to show real promise like Pogba. Which ever CM we buy I think it would be a waste to accompany them with 2 other players looking for more or less the same openings in playing spots, 1 academy player should be enough. HOWEVER, as we have seen recently Luiz can play well with Matic and if the club and David agree that he should not be sold than we don't need a 5th signing for CM as David Luiz has the qualities Mourinho likes to play in the pivot. I don't know if David Luiz will be staying, but my thoughts on center midfield A. do not involve David Luiz, B. consider a 4-3-3 formation being used regularly in the future and C. account for failure of one or two younger players in center midfield. How it should look, IMO: 5 players, including Matic, vGinkel, Ramires, player X, player Y, Oscar as a sixth backup option -OR- a player from the reserves who is capable as a sixth option. So, yes, Chelsea could avoid buying a 3rd CM if Oscar were used or a reserves player were good enough. I don't know what is going on with David Luiz and Barca, but I know he was thinking about the move last summer during the pre-season tour (from someone who talked with him face-to-face). On the other hand, my opinion of a player is not static. Even though I am ambivalent on David Luiz and don't like his play much, it may be possible to mold him into a good center midfielder. Who in the Chelsea coaching staff is capable of doing this though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 consider a 4-3-3 formation being used regularly in the future Contrary to what the pundits say our must win game formation is not 433. I've followed Mourinho for a long time and watched him at Inter closely and even at Real Madrid. Real Madrid however would not let him play his 4321 (sometimes a 4312 depending on the subs) because it went against their attacking style. They did however give Mourinho the green light to play that formation against Barcelona only. The 3 mids can be all defensive midfielders if they have to be in Mourinho's trivote, 2 players usually do all the work out wide and 1 striker keeps the space for the moving players. It's not a 4-3-3 and its so much more rigid than other formations but the Trivote usually means your backline are always prepared before they get hit, its like playing a mini back line before your back line. Normally our 4231 is better and so much more versatile in play and after substitutions but against teams with enough firepower to worry us Mourinho employed 4321 on many occasions and it has won him the Champion's league and many of Jose's toughest matches ever. For this formation David Luiz is a dream midfield, and Mourinho knows that. When we play 4231 however, there is no reason to play him apart from injuries and suspension. That might not be enough to warrant keeping him, if we can't use him as a CB and he only gets the occasional outing as a mid that is very unfair to Luiz. I don't like to have expensive players that could grab us maybe over 20m on the transfer market just sitting on the bench or in tiny roles. Lesser players should fill those small occasional roles and the way we are using Luiz right now is a bit of waste because he is a high caliber player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Club have met with his agent now apparently, we are trying to sign him before the WC. But rumors of £40m fee though, I thought he got £32m release clause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Mark my words, he will FLOP. 42 Million is just not what he is worth. Will score less than 20 goals in his first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Apparently he wants Barca/Madrid move, not Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Maybe it'll change if we were to actually sign him, but right now I just can't get that excited about the prospect of getting him. I just don't think he's on the level of Aguero, Cavani, Ibra, Falcao, Suarez, or RvP. He doesn't wow me or make me feel 100% confident that he'll be a 25 goal a season striker that I crave to see here.I don't think he'd flop here, but I just don't think he's as good as his stats make him look this season in a league where teams can't defend. Think he's having a very nice season but I'm not sure he can consistently be on a world class level season after season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 EXCLUSIVE: Chelsea close in on Costa as Mourinho plans £40m move for Atletico starIt's from Daily Mail by the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Maybe it'll change if we were to actually sign him, but right now I just can't get that excited about the prospect of getting him. I just don't think he's on the level of Aguero, Cavani, Ibra, Falcao, Suarez, or RvP. He doesn't wow me or make me feel 100% confident that he'll be a 25 goal a season striker that I crave to see here.I don't think he'd flop here, but I just don't think he's as good as his stats make him look this season in a league where teams can't defend. Think he's having a very nice season but I'm not sure he can consistently be on a world class level season after season.I think it's a shame that the one transfer window in which the club will FINALLY be spending big on a striker since Torres is the one transfer window in recent times in which there are no real world class strikers available. Just our luck really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD3D 1,038 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Apparently he wants Barca/Madrid move, not Chelsea.Thankfully. He would be a complete failure at the EPL.Hopefully we can get Cavani instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Thankfully. He would be a complete failure at the EPL.Hopefully we can get Cavani instead.Cavani is a pipe dreamMaybe it'll change if we were to actually sign him, but right now I just can't get that excited about the prospect of getting him. I just don't think he's on the level of Aguero, Cavani, Ibra, Falcao, Suarez, or RvP. He doesn't wow me or make me feel 100% confident that he'll be a 25 goal a season striker that I crave to see here.I don't think he'd flop here, but I just don't think he's as good as his stats make him look this season in a league where teams can't defend. Think he's having a very nice season but I'm not sure he can consistently be on a world class level season after season.BPL defence is worse in Europe, apart from us and City and Arsenal earlier this season. Remember there was a point a few months ago when anyone can beat anyone(still sometime happens). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Cavani is the ideal buy for us, but PSG want crazy money, or a first teamer in exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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