Cesc Fàbregas

[Nike 373]

Your definition of vision makes no sense to me. You literally mean the passing options available to him in his field of vision?

I define vision as the ability of being able to see a play develop before it actually develops. And of course, executing the pass required to develop that play.

When you have better technique, you can execute the pass better.

When you can shield the ball better, you can pass better.

[Stats 7,056]

Assists/stats is everything to you...

Ask barca fans what they really thought of Cesc and most if not all will not have a glowing statement... Also, thiago plays further back, while Cesc was an experiment false nine. You know why barcelona had him as a false nine, rather than in their midfield? Its because his skillset wasnt good enought to play in their midfield, so they had to find a way for him to succeed...

You can tell me all the nonsense about assists, like Juan Mata, but players like Silva and Thiago will always be better in my eyes and in most Spainards...

Now you are trying to change the script. You came up with some rubbish about why Fabregas assists record was go great at Arsenal because he was a good player in a team with "no ambitions". I then proved you wrong with that statement by pointing out his assists record at Barca was quite exceptional as well despite not even starting every game and not to mention the fact that he is leading the assists chart for us as well and I think only 2 assists away from reaching double figures already. Pretty impressive huh? But now you want to retract your statement by turning it back on me by claiming all I look at is assists/stats because you know you were proved wrong so give it a rest please

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

When you have better technique, you can execute the pass better.

When you can shield the ball better, you can pass better.

Right. How does that equate to vision though? You could have the greatest passing technique in the world but if you can't spot a pass, you won't get into a championship team.

[Nike 373]

Now you are trying to change the script. You came up with some rubbish about why Fabregas assists record was go great at Arsenal because he was a good player in a team with "no ambitions". I then proved you wrong with that statement by pointing out his assists record at Barca was quite exceptional as well despite not even starting every game and not to mention the fact that he is leading the assists chart for us as well and I think only 2 assists away from reaching double figures already. Pretty impressive huh? But now you want to retract your statement by turning it back on me by claiming all I look at is assists/stats because you know you were proved wrong so give it a rest please

He played false nine at barca....

You know what messi stats are this season... 9 apearances, 7 goals, 7 assists in the false nine position...

[Nike 373]

Right. How does that equate to vision though? You could have the greatest passing technique in the world but if you can't spot a pass, you won't get into a championship team.

If you can execute those passes, vision comes naturally to you since the game slows down for you. Similar to american football or basketball, when your technique is superb the pass comes natural, especially when you have superior footwork...

It's always people that lack superior technique and positioing/physical attributes, that have trouble.

Wait and See when Thiago comes back this year...You can see what Spainards all see in the heir to Xavi.

[Stats 7,056]

He played false nine at barca....

You know what messi stats are this season... 9 apearances, 7 goals, 7 assists in the false nine position...

The truth is Fabregas had no fixed position at Barca. He sometimes played his natural position, sometimes as a false nine and sometimes I think even wide left but he still made assists either way and I know a lot of them came from CM. Yes, the false nine position as well. However he is playing in a deeper role at us and later on in the game goes a bit more advanced but is still recording assists and proving his vision is one of the best in the football world. Don't see why you are still trying to look for excuses to explain his assists. Just accept that he has one of the best eye for a pass in the game and more times than not he executes his passes to perfection.

Barca's loss is our gain. I don't care if you pointed out that the Barca manager did not want Fabregas or point out that most Spanish people prefer Thiago over Fabregas. Ask most Chelsea fans and Mourinho who they would prefer, Cesc or Thiago and I am sure they would tell you Fabregas.

[Nike 373]

The truth is Fabregas had no fixed position at Barca. He sometimes played his natural position, sometimes as a false nine and sometimes I think even wide left but he still made assists either way and I know a lot of them came from CM. Yes, the false nine position as well. However he is playing in a deeper role at us and later on in the game goes a bit more advanced but is still recording assists and proving his vision is one of the best in the football world. Don't see why you are still trying to look for excuses to explain his assists. Just accept that he has one of the best eye for a pass in the game and more times than not he executes his passes to perfection.

Barca's loss is our gain. I don't care if you pointed out that the Barca manager did not want Fabregas or point out that most Spanish people prefer Thiago over Fabregas. Asky most Chelsea fans who they would prefer, Cesc or Thiago and I am sure they would tell you Fabregas.

Yeap. Your right on that. Cesc assists this season have been magnificient, however, this long debate with various people, I think I lost concentration on what my initial argument was. which was basically thiago is better for barca/spain than Cesc. As you said, everything else can be debateable..

This season would be a good measuring stick to see who is better.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Fuck me you're over-rating the fuck out of Thiago. The argument started when you said he is better than Cesc's prime. Utterly ridiculus. You keep posting videos of Thiago, mate complations can make Victor Moses and Peter Crouch look like Ronaldo and Alan Shearer. If you said Thiago will be better than Cesc one day I would be ok with that but now, Cesc is a class above Thiago in terms of assists and controlling the game. There is no question about it.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Maybe I am not following Bayern very much, but actually I never heard any news about Thiago soon after he joined Bayern, no important headlines or news, except that he has long term injury.

Now he has fit? How is he playing now? If not as good as his Barca days, I don't see any meaning of this Cesc - Thiago comparison discussion. It's like comparing Torres and Aguero at the moment.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

When you have better technique, you can execute the pass better.

When you can shield the ball better, you can pass better.

Doesn't mean diddly if you can see the pass

[Special Juan 27,429]

His woman is just amazing :blue scalf:

[The Skipper 20,593]

Vision: Thiago Creativity:Thiago

Disagree with those two.

Fabregas' vision and creativity is better than Thiago's, Thiago hasn't shown anything to suggest that his is better than Fabregas. Too small of a sample, he hasn't even reached a 100 club games. Fabregas has been spotting passes consistently in his whole career though. All these videos you're posting up, you're telling me Fabregas doesn't do that?

You keep on mentioning that Thiago's agility and quickness combined with his vision puts him ahead of Fabregas in that aspect but that's like saying Thiago also has better vision than Xabi Alonso and Xavi because of that, and we all know that isn't true at all...

[Nike 373]

Disagree with those two.

Fabregas' vision and creativity is better than Thiago's, Thiago hasn't shown anything to suggest that his is better than Fabregas. Too small of a sample, he hasn't even reached a 100 club games. Fabregas has been spotting passes consistently in his whole career though. All these videos you're posting up, you're telling me Fabregas doesn't do that?

You keep on mentioning that Thiago's agility and quickness combined with his vision puts him ahead of Fabregas in that aspect but that's like saying Thiago also has better vision than Xabi Alonso and Xavi because of that, and we all know that isn't true at all...

Cesc does do that, however, unlike Cesc, Thiago has athletic ability and superior technique which allows him the ability to create better and pass in different situations Cesc cannot...

I dont know if you guys watch munich games last season, but when kroos got benched for thiago, thiago was munich's best player up until he got injured again. He could do everything kroos can do, but he can do it faster, press better and move better. Cesc, isnt a slug like kroos/mata, but he is not quick or fast and their was already a few times this season where our cm got completely outrun, especially cesc because of his physical deficiencies...

Also, alonso is probably the best long ball passer ive ever seen and neither cesc/thiago are near him.

There a reason why Pep wanted Thiago over Cesc, even though Cesc was more decorated and experienced.

Think about it. Kroos and Cesc are pretty similar players. Both, when given time, are fantastic passers of the ball. Both can score goals and both are set piece maestros... However, both have the same physical limitations, being both are hella slow and neither sheild the ball well or dribble it particularly well. Thiago, on the other hand has those attributes that they lack, which is exactly why he was chosen ahead of kroos last season. If their is one thing thiago lacks, its size/height/strength.

There was a huge difference in munich when thiago played vs when kroos played, if you go to the munich board, they mentioned it quite a bit. The team looked amazing when thiago was starting for them. It's actually pretty crazy because during thiago transfer time, a lot of people wonder why he went to munich, where the midfield was better than barcelona and everyone said he would rot the bench, when in reality he never did, unless he was unfit/injured...

[Spike 12,049]

The bitterness displayed by Arsenal fans across the internet is palpable. It's a bit sad really, almost as bad as people turning their back on a certain other midfielder.

[Namika 922]

Thiago is 23 years old. At 23 years old, Cesc was a world (with a assist in the final) and european champion and played in a UCL final against his boyhood club. He also bossed Zidane and co at Bernabeu at 18.

[Barbara 15,149]

You mean Cesc won a fa cup in 7 years at arsenal...

Thiago played a significant amount of games for when barcelona was one of the best teams ever in history, not for a team that won 1 fa cup in 7 years...

Thiago already won more titles than cesc.

dude, your arguments are getting worse and worse.

Just drop it already.

Seeing your posts in every thread is hard to believe you understand the game or that you've been watching it for long. Many of the things you say don't make sense...

Also, back to Cesc? I just read a post about Bayern in this thread. I don't need this shit spread here. I love a few of their players, but ugh Guardiola and ugh Bayern.

[iseah100 5,612]

dude, your arguments are getting worse and worse.

Just drop it already.

Seeing your posts in every thread is hard to believe you understand the game or that you've been watching it for long. Many of the things you say don't make sense...

Also, back to Cesc? I just read a post about Bayern in this thread. I don't need this shit spread here. I love a few of their players, but ugh Guardiola and ugh Bayern.

Thank you, Barbara:), you're my hero.

[bababoom 4,478]

Man, Nike sure loves Thiago for about a year he's been banging on about him not stop...

He reminds me of one of those youtube hipster fans, you know, the type of person who acts like they've watched every single game of that player but in reality have only watch 1-2 YT compilations.