CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Can easily see Cesc becoming captain after JT, as funny as that sounds.Bet you would have laughed at anyone saying that 4-5 months ago! pretty sure I say this a few months ago and people on this board said I was a stupid prick. To be fair, that is completely irrelevant to Cesc taking the captaincy! (joking of course) iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 pretty sure I say this a few months ago and people on this board said I was a stupid prick. Bet you would have laughed at anyone saying that 4-5 months ago! Well, whoever said that to you was just being irrational tbh. It really wasn't stupid or laughable to suggest that even back then IMO, Cesc clearly has great leadership qualities. It was about whether he would fit into the CFC culture, and atm it's looking like he truly does belong here and that he is really enjoying it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 As long as Mou is at the helm Fabregas is not going to be our captain anytime soon. Jose knows about Fabregas' history (most importantly, vs Chelsea). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Well, whoever said that to you was just being irrational tbh. It really wasn't stupid or laughable to suggest that even back then IMO, Cesc clearly has great leadership qualities. It was about whether he would fit into the CFC culture, and atm it's looking like he truly does belong here and that he is really enjoying it as well.I meant before he was linked with a move here. The ex-Arsenal captain, the Frank-Lampard-hating 'cunt' with the "Barcelona DNA".... Football is so funny sometimes The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 As long as Mou is at the helm Fabregas is not going to be our captain anytime soon. Jose knows about Fabregas' history (most importantly, vs Chelsea).Yeah, even this weak he hinted in an interview that he would not make him captain. He said that he understands why he was captain at Arsenal but here at Chelsea we the belief that the captain needs to be someone who has been here for years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yeah, even this weak he hinted in an interview that he would not make him captain. He said that he understands why he was captain at Arsenal but here at Chelsea we the belief that the captain needs to be someone who has been here for years and years. Haven't been following Chelsea much lately so thanks for that information!Jose's right in what he's saying IMO. As far as I'm concerned, giving the armband to a player who hasn't even played 3+ years at the club despite having good enough leaders in your squad already wouldn't be the right thing to do morally. In times where loyality in football/sports is getting more and more rare it speaks volumes to reward players who have earned their place in the locker room over a long period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I meant before he was linked with a move here. The ex-Arsenal captain, the Frank-Lampard-hating 'cunt' with the "Barcelona DNA".... Football is so funny sometimes When Arsenal fans sing "Fuck off Cesc Fabregas" and Chelsea fans sing "We've got Cesc Fabregas," nothing would surprise me anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 There really is no one else that can be captain than Cesc....Ivan and felipe are near 30 or over. Matic cant speak english and is too nice of a giant sometimes.... And Costa is too much of a hothead...It's either Cesc or after that Oscar. Maybe thibo, but I prefer outfield players.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 There really is no one else that can be captain than Cesc....Ivan and felipe are near 30 or over. Matic cant speak english and is too nice of a giant sometimes.... And Costa is too much of a hothead...It's either Cesc or after that Oscar. Maybe thibo, but I prefer outfield players..Oscar is the shy/quiet type of person, I can't see him becoming captain in all honesty. He's also struggling a bit with learning English. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculatingInfinity 1,472 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 There really is no one else that can be captain than Cesc....Ivan and felipe are near 30 or over. Matic cant speak english and is too nice of a giant sometimes.... And Costa is too much of a hothead...It's either Cesc or after that Oscar. Maybe thibo, but I prefer outfield players..I don't know what is wrong with a captain nearing 30, but Cahill is at least a good shout if we exlude Ivan and Luis then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yeah, even this weak he hinted in an interview that he would not make him captain. He said that he understands why he was captain at Arsenal but here at Chelsea we the belief that the captain needs to be someone who has been here for years and years. José was talking about making him the captain now. He's very clear about it when he says why he isn't the captain (instead of saying he wouldn't or he won't be). What Amels is talking - and that is the kind of sentimentalism a football club doesn't have - is that he'd never be a captain here because of his history against Chelsea, his past as a gooner and one that had trouble with us. If that mattered he wouldn't even play here. That's the BS that only exists for some fans. The criteria for being a Chelsea skipper is time played at the club and then leadership qualities. It has nothing to with his history against us. Cole was a reference in the team, I'm not sure if in some absences he was the captain and he played for Arsenal... Pre-Chelsea history isn't relevant because the club and the team are professional environments, not love puppies that base their actions on sentimentalism.edit: Cahill isn't a shout imo. He's English, he's been here for some years. He doesn't have a leader bone in his body as far as I can say. It can't be only time playing for the club, they also have to be leaders. I don't see Cahill as a leader. He's too quiet and has a different kind of personality. At least that's my impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I don't know what is wrong with a captain nearing 30, but Cahill is at least a good shout if we exlude Ivan and Luis then.cahill wont be a starter longterm. Even in catalonia, cesc at a younger age always exhibited fire and passion... Thankfully, this isnt the national team bs where the sponsors picks captains...If ake makes it, he would be a good candidate as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yeah, even this weak he hinted in an interview that he would not make him captain. He said that he understands why he was captain at Arsenal but here at Chelsea we the belief that the captain needs to be someone who has been here for years and years.That's not what the media is running with:Cesc Fabregas could succeed John Terry as Chelsea captain, hints Jose MourinhoFabregas could be next Chelsea captain, hints MourinhoJose Mourinho prepared to appoint 'fantastic' Cesc Fabregas as Chelsea captain It all depends on interpretation I guess. Hits, hits, hits.But joking aside, Jose really didn't need to add, "‘But one thing is [the leader’s] brain needs to be connected with the manager, and his brain is connected to mine during matches." It only fuels speculation. Tbh, I think it will be JT--->maybe Ivanovic for a short while (if he's still a starter by the time JT retires)-->Cesc. Barbara, CHOULO19 and Bir_CFC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Sentimentalism =/= morals. In case somebody doesn't know the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 José was talking about making him the captain now. He's very clear about it when he says why he isn't the captain (instead of saying he wouldn't or he won't be). What Amels is talking - and that is the kind of sentimentalism a football club doesn't have - is that he'd never be a captain here because of his history against Chelsea, his past as a gooner and one that had trouble with us. If that mattered he wouldn't even play here. That's the BS that only exists for some fans. The criteria for being a Chelsea skipper is time played at the club and then leadership qualities. It has nothing to with his history against us. Cole was a reference in the team, I'm not sure if in some absences he was the captain and he played for Arsenal... Pre-Chelsea history isn't relevant because the club and the team are professional environments, not love puppies that base their actions on sentimentalism.edit: Cahill isn't a shout imo. He's English, he's been here for some years. He doesn't have a leader bone in his body as far as I can say. It can't be only time playing for the club, they also have to be leaders. I don't see Cahill as a leader. He's too quiet and has a different kind of personality. At least that's my impression.No, I can totally see him becoming captain in 2-3 years time. He's a born leader. But when I said Jose hinted that he wouldn't make him, I meant that he wouldn't make him the next captain, because the likelihood of JT still being a starter in 3 years is very low imho. Hence, we will most likely need a short-term captain after JT since I can't currently see a direct replacement for him.Basically, exactly this: Tbh, I think it will be JT--->maybe Ivanovic for a short while (if he's still a starter by the time JT retires)-->Cesc. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Haven't been following Chelsea much lately so thanks for that information!Jose's right in what he's saying IMO. As far as I'm concerned, giving the armband to a player who hasn't even played 3+ years at the club despite having good enough leaders in your squad already wouldn't be the right thing to do morally. In times where loyality in football/sports is getting more and more rare it speaks volumes to reward players who have earned their place in the locker room over a long period.I disagree.Desailly got the armband not long after arrival, they should give it to the best man for the job, not whos been here the longest. The Skipper and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Cesc was crticised by someone for not defending Costa in a fight ... was said he wasn't a TRUE BLUE ,,wellhe certainly waded in at the weekend.On a serious not Cesc is by far the most suited to leadership of any of our current squad bar JT of course .He has experience , intelligence and fire in his belly ,, Excellent English and Spanish . A guaranteed starter ,For me he ticks all the boxes mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Sentimentalism =/= morals. In case somebody doesn't know the difference.well, in the same interview Jose admitted Fabregas is a much better person than he thought. So there you go... he said he's a fantastic player and professional. I don't think there's anything wrong with his morals. He may have done some bad things in the past. He was young and he's a bit too hot blooded. I don't see what you possibly be referring to. Everyone makes mistakes, and let's not fool ourselves, our own captain - who I love and worship - has made more than a handful of things I wouldn't call the best morale out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I disagree.Desailly got the armband not long after arrival, they should give it to the best man for the job, not whos been here the longest.Read my first post. As long as Jose's at the helm it won't happen.well, in the same interview Jose admitted Fabregas is a much better person than he thought. So there you go... he said he's a fantastic player and professional. I don't think there's anything wrong with his morals. He may have done some bad things in the past. He was young and he's a bit too hot blooded. I don't see what you possibly be referring to. Everyone makes mistakes, and let's not fool ourselves, our own captain - who I love and worship - has made more than a handful of things I wouldn't call the best morale out there.That's not what I meant by "morals". I was talking about traits like loyality etc which Jose seems to value as important morals. Hence it's more likely he goes with Ivanovic or even Cesar before Fabregas as our next captain (hypothetically considering Jose's still our coach by the time Terry is no longer our captain) simply because they have deserved it over a longer period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Read my first post. As long as Jose's at the helm it won't happen.That's not what I meant by "morals". I was talking about traits like loyality etc which Jose seems to value as important morals. Hence it's more likely he goes with Ivanovic or even Cesar before Fabregas as our next captain (hypothetically considering Jose's still our coach by the time Terry is no longer our captain) simply because they have deserved it over a longer period.oh my bad then. The way you worded your first and then your second post I was under the impression he wouldn't ever be a captain here under Mourinho because of his questionable moral decisions in the past - especially against Chelsea.I don't think he's going to be a captain straight away when JT leaves the first team. And tbh captaincy only still feels relevant for England these days. Everywhere else it doesn't seem to matter as much as it did in the past. I love JT as our captain, but I also feel after him, I won't care much about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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