Mario Pašalić

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5 hours ago, LAM09 said:

We lack goals from midfield when RLC ain't in it. To think Kante probably leads that stat from the start of last reason is beyond damning.

Options that differ from what's already available isn't a bad thing.

Gallagher, RLC, Kante, Mount. We have decent goals from the mid. I honestly think the thing we need the most, is a good 2nd striker and some goals from RW too. I mean we can see how good reece's final ball is. Add someone like Chilwell too, and our front 3 and mid will get a lot of chances, its about finishing those. 

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You pretty much has answered why we don't need goals from midfield. We have kante and RLC. Plus we have Mount as am. You can't have have everyone scoring goals. 

RLC is back in Feb if we're lucky and have no idea what condition he'll be in.

 

As it stands, we don't have a regular source of goals similar to the Ballack, Essien & Lampard days.

 

Gallagher, RLC, Kante, Mount. We have decent goals from the mid. I honestly think the thing we need the most, is a good 2nd striker and some goals from RW too. I mean we can see how good reece's final ball is. Add someone like Chilwell too, and our front 3 and mid will get a lot of chances, its about finishing those. 

 

We haven't exactly been lacking in the chances department but still lack that clinical touch from last year.

 

I do agree with the point that the squad doesn't need massive chances right now aside from the addition of one or two players that are a class above the current crop.

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16 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

 

Do you think so? We have Jorginho, Kante, Kova, Mount, RLC in our squad right now(let's not mention Barkley) Gilmour and Gallagher(and maybe Ampadu) stand by. Pasalic is 25, good player but can't see him making into the starting 11.

Atalanta to take up option on Chelsea loanee Mario Pašalić — report

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2019/12/2/20992467/atalanta-to-take-up-option-on-chelsea-loanee-mario-pasalic-report

Last season, Chelsea loanee Mario Pašalić helped Atalanta to a club record third place finish in the Serie A, which meant that the Bergamo-based club also qualified for the Champions League for the first time in their history. Given that windfall of UEFA money, Atalanta were fully expected to take up their €15m buy-option on the key midfielder.

Instead, they managed to work out yet another loan with Chelsea, getting the player back for a much smaller investment. It’s like we’re running a charity over here.

However, Chelsea did extend Pašalić for three more seasons before signing off on the loan, and that is bound to ensure that we eventually collect a fee for the 24-year-old.

And sure enough, given Pašalić’s continued importance at Atalanta, who are once again pushing for a top-four finish while also keeping hope alive of reaching the Champions League knockout rounds, reports are once again popping up of them exercising their buy-option. Here’s one from Tuttosport (via Football Italia), who claim this will only happen at the end of the season, which would make sense.

Maybe this time they’ll actually do it for real?

 

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he has scored quite a few goals (for a CMF) for them (look at the total minutes) in the last 2 seasons (and was not a full-timer at all until this year)

12 goals, 8 assists in 3355 minutes, all comps

 

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3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

RLC is back in Feb if we're lucky and have no idea what condition he'll be in.

 

As it stands, we don't have a regular source of goals similar to the Ballack, Essien & Lampard days.

 

 

 

We haven't exactly been lacking in the chances department but still lack that clinical touch from last year.

 

I do agree with the point that the squad doesn't need massive chances right now aside from the addition of one or two players that are a class above the current crop.

Lampard was a goal getter, essien does not really score. Ballack score a bit especially when he is asked to play higher. 

RLC won't really back this season but that doesn't justify the need to buy another scoring midfield unless you want to say good bye Mount. That is whole another story

 

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Lampard was a goal getter, essien does not really score. Ballack score a bit especially when he is asked to play higher. 
RLC won't really back this season but that doesn't justify the need to buy another scoring midfield unless you want to say good bye Mount. That is whole another story
 

Where did I mention anything about buying someone?

I just made a point Pasalic ought to be here & could offer something different.

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6 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Where did I mention anything about buying someone?

I just made a point Pasalic ought to be here & could offer something different.


 

My fault but it is the same thing. Let say we sell Barkley and keep pasalic 

We have 

Pasalic, Jorgi, rlc, kova, Kante, Mount and we need one more dm. That is 7 players for 3 positions way too many. Plus we want to give player like Gilmour and anjorin chance to play. 

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My fault but it is the same thing. Let say we sell Barkley and keep pasalic  We have 

Pasalic, Jorgi, rlc, kova, Kante, Mount and we need one more dm. That is 7 players for 3 positions way too many. Plus we want to give player like Gilmour and anjorin chance to play. 

 

If I'm being honest, I don't expect Kante to be here next season and I'm on the fence with RLC/Mount. 

 

 

On a side note, Ampadu would probably be that DM option.

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3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

If I'm being honest, I don't expect Kante to be here next season 

Why? 

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Why? 

Him having bigger ambitions as he reaches his prime and a solid Euros could push that narrative even more.

£100-125m isn't something we could just turn a blind eye at.

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8 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Him having bigger ambitions as he reaches his prime and a solid Euros could push that narrative even more.

£100-125m isn't something we could just turn a blind eye at.

reaches his prime?

he turns 30 next season

he is in his prime now, and has 2 more prime years left after this season, maybe 3 max (and I say that is maybe, maybe a wee stretch, especially for the EPL and the type of action action player he is)

he is a small guy, has been pounded on for years, and at 32 (in the 3rd year from above) is going to be susceptible to injuries even more than he is showing now

lets look at WC older MFers

Modric (a different type of player) had his peak at the WC (when he was 32), and has rapidly declined since

David Silva is also rapidly dropping from when he was 32 (33 now) Look at his play this year versus last (and he is a different type of MFer too)

Blaise Matuidi's has been steady downhill from since he turned 32

Busquets is a shadow of what he once was, has been since he he was 30 (the second half of last season is when his decline started, he is 31 now) I am actually surprised by him, out of all these by far

Ivan Rakitic has been in decline since he hit 31, give him another year and he is truly done as a full time player on a top team like Barca

Radja Nainggolan hit 30 and its been downhill rapidly since (he is a smoker though)

Mata is 31 and looks like a shadow

 

defensive oriented MFers?

the only decent one left over 30 (Matic hit 30 as is done as a starter for a class club, he barely gets a sniff at Manure, ffs, who plays the simply dreadful Fred (worst ever £50m plus MF) as a full starter, although he has been injured, which starts to happen more often for so many players when you are 31, 32)

is the genetic freak, Fernandinho

he is literally the only one over 30 who is remotely still class, maybe, maybe the just turned 31yo  Javi Martínez (who would be eaten up here in the EPL, he is shielded a lot at Bayern and is hardly a super key player there)

 

I am NOT saying to sell Kante (unless a £125m or more offer came in) but we do need to start looking (starting for sure in 2021) for his eventual replacement (I cannot recco Camavinga enough for so many reasons)

even if we 3 more peak years out of him, if we waited til summer 2022 to do anything you literally have only one year of integration, which is probably how (knowing our board) it is probably going to go anyway, hell they may wait will summer 2023

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26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

reaches his prime?

he turns 30 next season

he is in his prime now, and has 2 more prime years left after this season, maybe 3 max (and I say that is maybe, maybe a wee stretch, especially for the EPL and the type of action action player he is)

he is a small guy, has been pounded on for years, and at 32 (in the 3rd year from above) is going to be susceptible to injuries even more than he is showing now

lets look at WC older MFers

Modric (a different type of player) had his peak at the WC (when he was 32), and has rapidly declined since

David Silva is also rapidly dropping from when he was 32 (33 now) Look at his play this year versus last (and he is a different type of MFer too)

Blaise Matuidi's has been steady downhill from since he turned 32

Busquets is a shadow of what he once was, has been since he he was 30 (the second half of last season is when his decline started, he is 31 now) I am actually surprised by him, out of all these by far

Ivan Rakitic has been in decline since he hit 31, give him another year and he is truly done as a full time player on a top team like Barca

Radja Nainggolan hit 30 and its been downhill rapidly since (he is a smoker though)

Mata is 31 and looks like a shadow

 

defensive oriented MFers?

the only decent one left over 30 (Matic hit 30 as is done as a starter for a class club, he barely gets a sniff at Manure, ffs, who plays the simply dreadful Fred (worst ever £50m plus MF) as a full starter, although he has been injured, which starts to happen more often for so many players when you are 31, 32)

is the genetic freak, Fernandinho

he is literally the only one over 30 who is remotely still class, maybe, maybe the just turned 31yo  Javi Martínez (who would be eaten up here in the EPL, he is shielded a lot at Bayern and is hardly a super key player there)

 

I am NOT saying to sell Kante (unless a £125m or more offer came in) but we do need to start looking (starting for sure in 2021) for his eventual replacement (I cannot recco Camavinga enough for so many reasons)

even if we 3 more peak years out of him, if we waited til summer 2022 to do anything you literally have only one year of integration, which is probably how (knowing our board) it is probably going to go anyway, hell they may wait will summer 2023

Makelele is another example. Played for us till 35 and three more seasons after that for PSG on very good level. 

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7 hours ago, LAM09 said:

If I'm being honest, I don't expect Kante to be here next season and I'm on the fence with RLC/Mount. 

 

 

On a side note, Ampadu would probably be that DM option

We have no midfielder who can really defend other than kante, if he is gone, we pretty much need a direct replacement. Really hard to get though 

I don't know about Ampadu. Haven't watched d him much. 

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13 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Makelele is another example. Played for us till 35 and three more seasons after that for PSG on very good level. 

I would put him in the Fernandinho genetic freak camp. Same for Maldini, Buffon (who should have retired after he left Juve the first time), Zoff, Totti, CR7, Messi, Pirlo, Zlatan, Alves, Lothar Matthäus, etc. Not that Fernandinho is remotely in the same class as those players.

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Atalanta ready to enact buy option on Chelsea owned midfielder

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/atalanta-ready-to-enact-buy-option-on-chelsea-owned-midfielder-43857

Atalanta plan to enact their buy option on Chelsea owned midfielder Mario Pasalic, according to a report from Milan based newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport via Calciomercato.com today.
 
The report details how the Bergamo based club are fully convinced by the performances of the 24-year-old Croatian midfielder, who is currently on his second season with the club. The player will cost la Dea around €15 million, a low fee for a player so well utilised by coach Gian Piero Gasperini.
 
The player has made 18 appearances for Atalanta so far this season, missing only one game all season, the club’s 3-1 win over Lecce in October. He has scored four goals and provided two assists in that time and even scored the equalising goal in Atalanta’s 1-1 draw against Premier League champions Manchester City in the Champions League.
 
Although contracted to Chelsea until 2022, Pasalic has never made an appearance for the South London club.

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20 hours ago, Vesper said:

Atalanta ready to enact buy option on Chelsea owned midfielder

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/atalanta-ready-to-enact-buy-option-on-chelsea-owned-midfielder-43857

Atalanta plan to enact their buy option on Chelsea owned midfielder Mario Pasalic, according to a report from Milan based newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport via Calciomercato.com today.
 
The report details how the Bergamo based club are fully convinced by the performances of the 24-year-old Croatian midfielder, who is currently on his second season with the club. The player will cost la Dea around €15 million, a low fee for a player so well utilised by coach Gian Piero Gasperini.
 
The player has made 18 appearances for Atalanta so far this season, missing only one game all season, the club’s 3-1 win over Lecce in October. He has scored four goals and provided two assists in that time and even scored the equalising goal in Atalanta’s 1-1 draw against Premier League champions Manchester City in the Champions League.
 
Although contracted to Chelsea until 2022, Pasalic has never made an appearance for the South London club.

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he is become a top player in Atalanta it's a pity to lose him for only 15 mil IMHO