Mohamed Salah

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Two Israeli media sources making those claims. Sounds legit...

Oh, and I forgot that Ba had signed it as well.

Look, I get your frustration. You feel targeted by the whole matter. But you must realize that even footballers have political beliefs, and this has absolutely nothing to do with the actual football they play.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2246076/Chelsea-star-Eden-Hazard-caught-anti-Israel-riddle--Charles-Sale.html

http://espnfc.com/print?id=1250810&type=story

It's all over the place not just in Israeli press. And yes, footballers have political beliefs but it's also an owner's right not to have a player on the squad whose beliefs he doesn't like. Roman could insist that Chelsea be made up entirely of people born in January 1987 and that's his right. Salah would be a hero in Egypt and the Arab world for having all sorts of views that we in the West would find troubling to sickening. If he came out with "Homosexuals should be banned", or "I don't like Jews" both views shared by over 95% of Egyptians and most of the Arab world. (and no, not Israelis, the poll question says Jews.). Should we say "well, that's his culture. Who are we to say anything?" What if some Fascist player refuses to shake hands with a Muslim because in his words "they're all raghead terrorists"? He'd be a hero to people who thought like him and after all it's just his culture. Cultural relativism is a slippery slope. Players shouldn't be political unless it's non-controversial (give food aid to starving countries, etc...). Just shut up and play football.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Just be like the Schurrle signing, won't get hardly any gametime unless there is an injury. Alright squad player I suppose but we had that with Moses, and possibly a youngster like Traore.

[LAM09 6,794]

None of them would do a better job as that ain't their position. They need to play where they perform best.

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Thats why I said 'questionable'. But buying a 21 year old AM will take away the little chance they have on the team.

He isn't really a AM, but an out and out winger, or he can even play behind a striker.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2246076/Chelsea-star-Eden-Hazard-caught-anti-Israel-riddle--Charles-Sale.html

http://espnfc.com/print?id=1250810&type=story

It's all over the place not just in Israeli press. And yes, footballers have political beliefs but it's also an owner's right not to have a player on the squad whose beliefs he doesn't like. Roman could insist that Chelsea be made up entirely of people born in January 1987 and that's his right. Salah would be a hero in Egypt and the Arab world for having all sorts of views that we in the West would find troubling to sickening. If he came out with "Homosexuals should be banned", or "I don't like Jews" both views shared by over 95% of Egyptians and most of the Arab world. (and no, not Israelis, the poll question says Jews.). Should we say "well, that's his culture. Who are we to say anything?" What if some Fascist player refuses to shake hands with a Muslim because in his words "they're all raghead terrorists"? He'd be a hero to people who thought like him and after all it's just his culture. Cultural relativism is a slippery slope. Players shouldn't be political unless it's non-controversial (give food aid to starving countries, etc...). Just shut up and play football.

That has nothing to with what I said, and you know it. You are putting up hypothetical situations that help nothing in regarding to this particular situation. Are you really comparing homophobia to a player refusing to shake the hands of players from a state that his country has been at war against for decades?! Smh. Like I said, it is a matter of beliefs and freedom of opinion and he has every right to be anti-Israel while he does NOT have the right to be homophobic or racist. That's the difference you are trying to hide.

And of course Roman has the right not to sign anti-Israeli players, and he also has the right to sign players born in January 1987 as you rightly said, but that does not make either is logical. I'm saying it's not true because we've had and currently have players who are anti-Israeli.

And btw, your comment that 95% of Arabs are homophobic is incorrect and frankly offensive (and ironically a bit racist).

But we've derailed this thread with politics long enough.

[LAM09 6,794]

Not sure why religion keeps coming up. It is a game of football, and not politics.

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[Tomo 21,733]

Well, I still think the Willian signing was unnecessary at the time because I thought that Mata and KDB would be given prominent roles. Obviously now that they're both gone the Willian signing makes sense but at the time it's understandable why most didn't want Willian (esp. after we signed Schurrle too). I never questioned his talent, I've always admitted he's a good player.

Similarly with Salah - guy is a decent player but it means that a few of our on loan youngsters (Traore, Piazon, Atsu) will definitely be moved on again next season. He's not much better than those guys IMO.

It's just pretty annoying that we are once again throwing money at a problem when we could've fixed it internally.

It wasn't really that aspect i meant when the news initially broke about Willian i was questioning whether we needed him to.

The bit that baffles me is some are declaring him a flop before he even gets here.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

That has nothing to with what I said, and you know it. You are putting up hypothetical situations that help nothing in regarding to this particular situation. Are you really comparing homophobia to a player refusing to shake the hands of players from a state that his country has been at war against for decades?! Smh. Like I said, it is a matter of beliefs and freedom of opinion and he has every right to be anti-Israel while he does NOT have the right to be homophobic or racist. That's the difference you are trying to hide.

And of course Roman has the right not to sign anti-Israeli players, and he also has the right to sign players born in January 1987 as you rightly said, but that does not make either is logical. I'm saying it's not true because we've had and currently have players who are anti-Israeli.

And btw, your comment that 95% of Arabs are homophobic is incorrect and frankly offensive (and ironically a bit racist).

But we've derailed this thread with politics long enough.

Egypt is not at war with Israel and has had a peace deal since 1977 which is about 15 years before Salah was even born. And yes, on the football pitch, I'd expect everyone to shake hands with everyone. One of the benefits of sport is that it brings people together. Refusing to shake someone's hand because you don't like the country his club is based in does against the values that sport should stand for,

And It is not my view on Arab views on homosexuality. It's the unfortunate reality.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

Additionally, of all the countries that backed the UN gay-rights treaty, none are Arab. In fact, most of those countries banned together to fight the declaration and staged a walk out in protest .People in almost all Middle Eastern countries are jailed for being gay. Lebanon is one of the best countries for gays and is still terrible. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25099130

[Blue Traveler 256]

Calm your tits down you jews!

He shook hand, he didn't, who cares? as long as he commits himself to our football club and plays his best football like we witnessed against Spurs and us there should be no problem.

Leave the political bullshits out of this!

[Fernando 6,488]

Well I support Israel all the way.

But I believe what mourinho said is right. The kid was young, under pressure and sometimes we do stupid stuff when young.

He will learn his place, fit right in, and in a couple of months will forget about all this nonsense.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Egypt is not at war with Israel and has had a peace deal since 1977 which is about 15 years before Salah was even born. And yes, on the football pitch, I'd expect everyone to shake hands with everyone. One of the benefits of sport is that it brings people together. Refusing to shake someone's hand because you don't like the country his club is based in does against the values that sport should stand for,

And It is not my view on Arab views on homosexuality. It's the unfortunate reality.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

Additionally, of all the countries that backed the UN gay-rights treaty, none are Arab. In fact, most of those countries banned together to fight the declaration and staged a walk out in protest .People in almost all Middle Eastern countries are jailed for being gay. Lebanon is one of the best countries for gays and is still terrible. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25099130

You know that the situation is much more complicated than that and that the majority of the Egyptians still consider Israel and enemy state. In fact, I remember you posting exactly that once in a thread. Salah has the right to refuse to shake hands when he feels that the issue affects him personally just like Wayne Bridge has the right not to shake JT's hands.

The funny part is that Salah tried his best not to make a big deal out of this. In the first game he made it like he needed to change his boots and in the second he fist bumped the players because he couldn't get him self to shake their hands. You're making it out like he attacked the players or tried to injure them at every chance. If it were any other two fighting countries in the world it would have been freedom of opinion but because it involves Israel it is racist.

And I don't care about your polls, I f***ing live here! I know more people that are okay with homosexuality than people who are intolerant of it. Still unfortunate and far from ideal but we're getting there faster than many "western" countries.

[Hutcho 8,443]

WHO CARES where he is from and what religion he is.

He is here to play football. Not whatever else. I couldn't care less what his political beliefs are.

[zolayes 14,489]

its going to be so hard to accept him here if HE HATES SPURS....

[Kieran. 6,317]

Salah has scored more goals in Chelsea matches than Mata has this season

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

[MAF 162]

Ffs, beeing anti Israel is not comparable to beeing racist or fascist at all. the problem is the Israeli state has been using the term "anti semitic" as a get out of jail for free card.

zionism was only founded about 100 years ago, and was funded by the notorious Rothschild family, who have a tranglehold over the worlds financial system witch is bordering on the criminal.

israel has been commiting one war crime after another since its creation, and has been crying "anti semite" at everyone who dares criticizing their policies. the Mossad were involved in several false flag events, 9/11 beeing the most notorious.

i admire celebreties and athletes who still have the guts to speak out against things like these.

back in the 60s and 70s, you had Martin Luther King, Muhamad Ali, John Lennon, JFK etc.. people who stuck their neck out for what they believed in. people actually still went to demonstrations.

nowadays people are so desensitized they dont care anymore if their tax money is beeing used to bomb innocent children in some far away country, or that their government is taking away their rights and is evesdropping on everything they say. They much rather watch what shoes Kim Kardashian is buying or whats happening in Neighbours.

i'll shut up about it now, i just had to vent as all the sensoring thats been happening lately with our players (and ex players) is really getting on my nerves

Sigh...

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Anyone else completely lost with all this?

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Ffs, beeing anti Israel is not comparable to beeing racist or fascist at all. the problem is the Israeli state has been using the term "anti semitic" as a get out of jail for free card.

zionism was only founded about 100 years ago, and was funded by the notorious Rothschild family, who have a tranglehold over the worlds financial system witch is bordering on the criminal.

israel has been commiting one war crime after another since its creation, and has been crying "anti semite" at everyone who dares criticizing their policies. the Mossad were involved in several false flag events, 9/11 beeing the most notorious.

i admire celebreties and athletes who still have the guts to speak out against things like these.

back in the 60s and 70s, you had Martin Luther King, Muhamad Ali, John Lennon, JFK etc.. people who stuck their neck out for what they believed in. people actually still went to demonstrations.

nowadays people are so desensitized they dont care anymore if their tax money is beeing used to bomb innocent children in some far away country, or that their government is taking away their rights and is evesdropping on everything they say. They much rather watch what shoes Kim Kardashian is buying or whats happening in Neighbours.

i'll shut up about it now, i just had to vent as all the sensoring thats been happening lately with our players (and ex players) is really getting on my nerves

Sigh...

Hahaha. This is brilliant. You talk about anti-Zionism being different than anti-Semitism and then come in with one of the most straightforward anti-Semitic tropes of all time. The Rothschild controlling world banking systems and all that stuff is absolute nonsense. You really can't get more paranoid old fashioned anti-Semitism than that. Anyway, this post has no business being on this page and should be deleted (More fit for Der sturmer).

[Blueman 57]

Guys FFS !! this isn't talkpolitics this is talkCHELSEA !!!