svajo 153 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think he will be an autoMatic choice for the starting XI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Exactly, its like saying Fabregas before Arsenal and after it was same player. Obviously there is no comparison between Matic 3 years ago and now. We sold him for 2 mio because he was worth that much and now we bought him for 20 because he is worth that much. And I dont feel bad with this signing, club didnt put faith in him back then, but if we kept him, he would now be playing in Championship, instead he developed his skills greatly and it was infact good decision by the board. If you take a look at him as another player, he is fantastic and easily worth what we paid for him, especialy in this crazy market. Any other DM would cost same or even more. In no way, this is a bad deal. He will improve our team and thats all what matters.So what you are saying is we are good at spotting potential stars and buying them . but absolutely shit at developing them . When I have criticised our academy and the reserve coaches I have been slaughtered on herehave been laughed at . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't think you'd find many people who would think Luiz is worth any less than £30 million in the current market. Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him. He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Luiz is in the same position as Mata in this squad now, the only reason he's been playing recently is due to Lampard's injury. He's worth £25m tops and that's IF the Barca rumours were true, so no he hasn't increased his value all that much. As a club we would have only benefitted long term with that January 2011 transfer window from never happening at all really.Still, even if we do go by your valuation, £25m is still a nice price, so the deal is nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make it seem. Torres on the other hand... I'd bite your hand off if you offered £10-15m for him. Now that's what you call a bad deal. He's not even worth half of what we paid for him. Call Luiz's average if you want but to say it's one of the worst deals ever done is ridiculous. Yeah, Luiz has slightly regressed this season but before that he was steadily improving and he still has enough time to turn it around in the second half of this season. There's still plenty of games to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,911 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.Bayern is the latest rumor. They'd want to pair him with Dante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.Man City, United, Barcelona, Bayern just to mention a few clubs. If Luiz regained form he'd walk into those teams in my honest opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Bayern is the latest rumor. They'd want to pair him with Dante. If that's the case we should sell, it would be an absolute coup! It's a PR disaster for the people who fell in love with his character/personality but fuck those people, this isn't big brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Bayern is the latest rumor. They'd want to pair him with Dante.Everyone is linked to bayern now.....Its too bad, Sammer would never sign them... Its also too bad they would never pay 30m for Luiz as well..Man City, United, Barcelona, Bayern just to mention a few clubs. If Luiz regained form he'd walk into those teams in my honest opinion.Not City. United would never sign Luiz, they already have decent-good CBs ..Barca maybe, pending on Puyol and Barthra.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Everyone is linked to bayern now.....Its too bad, Sammer would never sign them... Its also too bad they would never pay 30m for Luiz as well..Not City. United would never sign Luiz, they already havedeent-good CBs..Barca maybe, pending on Puyol and Barthra....A Kompany - Luiz partnership would be the best in the PL and one of the best in the world when both are on form. Fits in with Pellegrini's philosophy too. I'm not saying they'd sign him but United have a huge CB problem IMO. Barcelona also for obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.He's in a completely different position to Mata. Mata doesn't seem to fit the system whereas Luiz can, in multiple positions. As for who might be in for him there's probably Barca, maybe Bayern and maybe even PSG but that could all change after the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachman40 357 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I want to give a more in depth opinion on Matic and the whole situation because there's misinformation sprinkled through this thread, but unfortunately work gets in the way. I'll just throw this out there for now, Chelsea fans can forget about the Matic that used to play for Chelsea, you will be very very happy with the Matic that is returning to the blues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 A Kompany - Luiz partnership would be the best in the PL and one of the best in the world when both are on form. I'm not saying they'd sign him but United have a huge CB problem. Barcelona also for obvious reasons.City already has the best young CB in the PL.. Why would they invest in Luiz, when their CB is more dependable and less risky?United really doesnt have a CB problem. Smalling, evans, vidic, jones, rio are adequate enough. If anything, its anything but CB, Cf and Gk.Barca probably, but barca is hard to tell.... bayern already has martinez on the bench, with batsbuder coming back. They even loaned out Kirchoff as a result... I dont think CB is a position they would address (also, it seems that Dante is not doing so well this year).... Boateng is good enough...PSG already have 3 brazilians and invested a ton of money on two of them already... I highly doubt they would want another Cb unless Silva goes to Barca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I want to give a more in depth opinion on Matic and the whole situation because there's misinformation sprinkled through this thread, but unfortunately work gets in the way. I'll just throw this out there for now, Chelsea fans can forget about the Matic that used to play for Chelsea, you will be very very happy with the Matic that is returning to the blues.I hear a lot of Benfica fans saying he's better than Witsel, whats your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 City already has the best young CB in the PL.. Why would they invest in Luiz, when their CB is more dependable and less risky?United really doesnt have a CB problem. Smalling, evans, vidic, jones, rio are adequate enough. If anything, its anything but CB, Cf and Gk.Barca probably, but barca is hard to tell.... bayern already has martinez on the bench, with batsbuder coming back. They even loaned out Kirchoff as a result... I dont think CB is a position they would address (also, it seems that Dante is not doing so well this year).... Boateng is good enough...Really! United have a huge CB problem! Ferdinand and Vidic are past it and wont be at united much longer. Smalling is very average, Evans is decent but no where near a top class Cb and Jones is not realy seen as a CB because of his versatility! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Just to add my two cents to the Luiz argument, As Gary Neville said, He gets battered by the press and fans in England because he is a 'Brazillian' style centre half, Likes to play football and go forward. Similar to Thiago Silva, Dante and others.The English National team have hardly set the world alight in the last 50 years, Luiz needs to control his temperament and keep his concentration.I do believe midfield is the correct position for him, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 He's in a completely different position to Mata. Mata doesn't seem to fit the system whereas Luiz can, in multiple positions. As for who might be in for him there's probably Barca, maybe Bayern and maybe even PSG but that could all change after the World Cup.David Luiz is 'practically' a reserve centre back and a reserve DM now.Can you really see Mourinho dropping Cahill?, or another player (*would be signing*) in the same mold as Gary.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 City already has the best young CB in the PL.. Why would they invest in Luiz, when their CB is more dependable and less risky?United really doesnt have a CB problem. Smalling, evans, vidic, jones, rio are adequate enough. If anything, its anything but CB, Cf and Gk.Barca probably, but barca is hard to tell.... bayern already has martinez on the bench, with batsbuder coming back. They even loaned out Kirchoff as a result... I dont think CB is a position they would address (also, it seems that Dante is not doing so well this year).... Boateng is good enough...At City, he'd have to compete with Nastasic correct, but Nastasic has been injured a lot this season and he's certainly an improvement on Lescott or Demichellis. City play with a high line and build from the back so Luiz could be ideal for them, especially next to a very solid leader in Kompany (who also gets injured quite a bit). United... I don't rate any of their CBs apart from Vidic and Jones. Vidic is nearing the end of his career, so is Rio, Jonny Evans and Smalling aren't as good as Luiz either. Bayern have a solid core of defenders there but due to the way they play under Pep especially I think they'd potentially be interested too. I think Luiz is possibly better than all of their CBs when on form too but that's just my personal opinion. Now I'm not saying that all these clubs would definitely be queuing up but I'm sure that if Luiz was to be made available on the market they'd look into the possibility of it. PS: sorry for going off topic. Would be nice if this discussion was moved to the Luiz thread by any of the mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 another thing about Matic is he works so hard and covers alot of ground! In fact Matic has covered more ground then any other player in the CL this season! 78926 m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 David Luiz is 'practically' a reserve centre back and a reserve DM now.Can you really see Mourinho dropping Cahill?, or another player (*would be signing*) in the same mold as Gary..It's very naive to think that Cahill won't get injured or won't drop form or Luiz won't pick up his form... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Mateus 46 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I hear a lot of Benfica fans saying he's better than Witsel, whats your opinion?Different players.Matic impact on our gameplay surpassed Witsel's. I'm not saying he is the best player, but was definitely more useful to us.While Witsel always had the look of a great player, he never quite achieved his potential while playing for us... Matic... well... he was a beast.Matic was the best player I saw playing for us. Better than Di Maria, David Luiz, Coentrao, Witsel etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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