Thomas Hitzlsperger announces he is gay

[Stingray 9,441]

Yes, It was a reply because you made inferences about urges gay guys will have, lmao.

Also: you conveniently didnt reply to all the rest. Actually, yes: if neither party sees it as sexual: what is wrong with it. We have mixed sauna's here. We have mixed showers in public places. It is about culture and customs, nothing more.

^ Will Could have

Ok then, so come Saturday at the KC stadium Eva Carneiro (the same sexual orientation as a gay man) will be lathering up with the team 'if she wants'. Sorted, done, next topic.

If we're changing the culture & customs of football it has to be done without double standards.

Right ..... Never mind.

[Term-X 7,891]

I tried to inject a bit of humour into the latter of that 2nd line, 'since I was only rehashing'. Probably wasn't the best idea though, a simple mind can't detect subtly through modems. Thus resorts to posting pseudo-funny pics..

My initial argument still stands.

[Stingray 9,441]

I tried to inject a bit of humour into the latter of that 2nd line, 'since I was only rehashing'. Probably wasn't the best idea though, a simple mind can't detect subtly through modems. Thus resorts to posting pseudo-funny pics..

My initial argument still stands.

If i didn't get your incredible humor infusion, it is more likely to do with English not being my native language. I am sure you would get my jokes just fine when I speak Dutch, French, German or even Latin.

You argument fails, because you keep switching topics every time you get a rebuttal. I say to you something very, very simple: your argument is a prime example of the naturalistic fallacy, a common know debating fallacy since David Hume. Look it up before accusing me from being simple minded, ow controversial one.

[Stingray 9,441]

it's just nature, if an openly gay man is allowed in a communal shower then so is Eva Carneiro.

Simple.

Here above the original statement

Also : my claim: Deriving 'ought' from 'is' = naturalistic fallacy in philosophy

You use 'it is just nature' ergo if gay is allowed so is Eva = fallacy for your argument

On Wiki just to keep it simple:

In philosophical ethics, the term "naturalistic fallacy" was introduced by British philosopher G. E. Moore in his 1903 book Principia Ethica.[1] Moore argues it would be fallacious to explain that which is good reductively, in terms of natural properties.

The naturalistic fallacy is closely related to the fallacious appeal to nature, the claim that what is natural is inherently good or right, and that what is unnatural is inherently bad or wrong. Furthermore, Moore's naturalistic fallacy is closely related to the is/ought problem, which comes from Hume's Treatise.

Indeed: philosophy 101

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

Good for him, footballers must find it impossible to even consider coming out. Just shows how backward our society is at times.

[DavidEU 2,023]

What a load of bullshit this thread has become.

Such a shame.

[Stingray 9,441]

What a load of bullshit this thread has become.

Such a shame.

Excuse me? Can you be a bit more precise?

[DavidEU 2,023]

Excuse me? Can you be a bit more precise?

This is a serious topic. Especially to me.

The last page or two have been ridiculous.

[Stingray 9,441]

Excuse me? Can you be a bit more precise?

This is a serious topic. Especially to me.

The last page or two have been ridiculous.

I respect that. My arguments however were very, very serious and I understood where you are coming from, David. Myself, I have been active on that topic for very long. Both in organisations for sexual education (including television) as in the direction of the belgian anti-hiv organisation.

So I hope your claim isn't directed towards me, actually. If anything, i adressed the error in those kind of claims - claims you hear all too often. Peace!

[DavidEU 2,023]

I respect that. My arguments however were very, very serious and I understood where you are coming from, David. Myself, I have been active on that topic for very long. Both in organisations for sexual education (including television) as in the direction of the belgian anti-hiv organisation.

So I hope your claim isn't directed towards me, actually. If anything, i adressed the error in those kind of claims - claims you hear all too often. Peace!

My reply had nothing to do with your comments mate. Don't worry! I meant it was a shame that instead of talking about Hitzlsperger coming out, people are discussing Eva in the showers.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Don't be afraid to admit it Amels. We know you meant to say it's the latter.

Both are, tbh

Can't believe I've only just noticed this. Both are you are demoted.

On a serious note, the fact this topic has gone so quiet shows how much of a non-story a player being gay is... The only reason it is made such a huge thing is because the media sensationalise it so much, and the language they use - a player "admitting" to being gay - makes it a far bigger deal than it is. Who needs to know about someone's sexuality? It's bloody Draconian for people to do so. I though categorising society ended after Apartheid? Perhaps not.

[1chelsea 864]

But I bet you if it was a Chelsea player who announced this the media will robbing it all over them selfs calling Jose if it true and all sort of talk

[calculatingInfinity 1,443]

Can't believe I've only just noticed this. Both are you are demoted.

On a serious note, the fact this topic has gone so quiet shows how much of a non-story a player being gay is... The only reason it is made such a huge thing is because the media sensationalise it so much, and the language they use - a player "admitting" to being gay - makes it a far bigger deal than it is. Who needs to know about someone's sexuality? It's bloody Draconian for people to do so. I though categorising society ended after Apartheid? Perhaps not.

I don't agree with that at all. The reason nothing more is being made out of it, is because he isn't still an active footballer. If he was you know there would be faggot chants and other tasteless crap from every single rival club he played against and be controversy about that. That's where the problem is, no active footballer (other than some third division in Sweden guy) can be open about their sexuality and that is a problem.

It's also a fairly important story with the world cup in Qatar coming up, a country so backwards it's still illegal to be gay.

[Fulham Broadway 16,845]

Debate on BBC about all things gay and homophobic in football. Programme is today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01s4sw1

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I don't agree with that at all. The reason nothing more is being made out of it, is because he isn't still an active footballer. If he was you know there would be faggot chants and other tasteless crap from every single rival club he played against and be controversy about that. That's where the problem is, no active footballer (other than some third division in Sweden guy) can be open about their sexuality and that is a problem.

It's also a fairly important story with the world cup in Qatar coming up, a country so backwards it's still illegal to be gay.

That's a fair point, but the fact so many have shown their support for him demonstrates that we're getting to a stage in this country where we can just man up and move on.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I don't agree with that at all. The reason nothing more is being made out of it, is because he isn't still an active footballer. If he was you know there would be faggot chants and other tasteless crap from every single rival club he played against and be controversy about that. That's where the problem is, no active footballer (other than some third division in Sweden guy) can be open about their sexuality and that is a problem.

It's also a fairly important story with the world cup in Qatar coming up, a country so backwards it's still illegal to be gay.

Just because homosexuality is illegal, I don't get how a country is backwards. Qatar is actually quite lenient like Dubai when it comes to what Muslims would consider taboo.

One of the writers from one of Qatar's leading newspapers had something to say about that. He made a point that homosexuality if practiced privately wouldn't be a problem. If you take it out to the streets and flaunt it, then you'd be causing a nuisance to a majority Islamic population that would find it deeply offensive according to their religious scripture. The same way if you are performing a sexually aggravated act in public and a bystander calls in the police as you're causing a problem to them.

[Fulham Broadway 16,845]

Homosexuality in Football.

9 00pm BBC r5 tonight.

just sayin'

[calculatingInfinity 1,443]

Just because homosexuality is illegal, I don't get how a country is backwards.

Sorry but I would have to disagree there. Having your completely victimless sexuality be illegal in a country means it's a backwards shit hole, no matter the wealth or what not they have. They should never have been allowed the world cup, especially on the fake conditions they got it on. But that's off topic.

and of course some journalist from Qatar, who is most likely excited to see the world cup come there, would defend it with those pathetic points.

That's a fair point, but the fact so many have shown their support for him demonstrates that we're getting to a stage in this country where we can just man up and move on.

Well it's getting better, but if I was gay and a footballer (that's a lot of if's) I would certainly not want to come out during my active career anywhere.