Korea 734 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I was with you until you said Sandro. It is completely irrational how overhyped that guys is, especially if you consider that he's spent most of his time in England injured.On topic, I think most reasons of why not have been covered. If we are going to experiment at CM, the logical choice would be KDB, not Oscar. Sandro was england's best dm prior to his injury last season.....The main reason Lampard was so bad today was because he can't defend/anticipate/position himself correctly. It's not his fault, he's not a natural DM. And neither is Luiz.Luiz might be able to defend (95% of the time) but he is way to rash to be a DM. It's like he has OCD, he can't sit still, he just wants the ball. He's like a dog; that's the only way I can describe Luiz in midfield. So, we should just have Cech punt balls forward than and expect our tweeners to win headers????O, i dont rate luiz as a cm as well, if it was my choice Ake would be getting all the reps as i said last season ake should... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Sandro was england's best dm prior to his injury last season.....Not even close to Song and Carrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Not even close to Song and Carrick. Yes cause song was in england last season...Also, song doesnt play defense. GO ask arsenal fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Not even close to Song and Carrick. Alex Song left Arsenal last season. He joined Barcelona.Korea was referring to the period between Song leaving and Sandro's injury, when he did seem to impress in that defensive role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yes cause song was in england last season...Also, song doesnt play defense. GO ask arsenal fansI thought you were talking about the end of the season before that where he was in decent form. So Sandro was the second best DM in England after Carrick for 3 months (although you could argue that on form alone, Schneiderlin was better as well). And to think he's not in the shortlist for the Ballon d'Ore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I thought you were talking about the end of the season before that where he was in decent form. So Sandro was the second best DM in England after Carrick for 3 months (although you could argue that on form alone, Schneiderlin was better as well). And to think he's not in the shortlist for the Ballon d'Ore! Why the snappy behaviour? Why not discuss the merits of what members say rather than being dismissive or calling them fanboys?Korea made a fair point about a player being the best in his position over a three month period - that's all. You can either disagree or not, but just because he pointed out a mistake you made you get hysterical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 He has all the tools to play there, as a box to box with attacking and defensive responsibilities. I get we would boss the possession stats even more with him in there, but we'd have to tweak the system a little bit.But for now I'd say we just need a DM/CM in January so we can keep things as they are for now. It's Jose's call though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Why the snappy behaviour? Why not discuss the merits of what members say rather than being dismissive or calling them fanboys?Korea made a fair point about a player being the best in his position over a three month period - that's all. You can either disagree or not, but just because he pointed out a mistake you made you get hysterical.Sorry couldn't help it. It's just that you're such a big influence in my life! I was bound to pick up your method of "debating" eventually.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Sorry couldn't help it. It's just that you're such a big influence in my life! I was bound to pick up your method of "debating" eventually..Not sure when I've ever been an admin on a website and got my knickers in such a twist that I've posted personal information on to a public forum....but then I don't make comments about rape (it's a cultural difference I think).Enjoy your afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafc9010 224 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'm not a fan of Oscar but maybe he could work in a midfield 3.But in a pivot he is too weak, not enough work rate and has poor passing, gives the ball away a lot, would not work.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'm not a fan of Oscar but maybe he could work in a midfield 3.But in a pivot he is too weak, not enough work rate and has poor passing, gives the ball away a lot, would not work..Also not Brazilian enough, has blonde hair and looks too old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafc9010 224 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Also not Brazilian enough, has blonde hair and looks too old.Yeah silly Oscar, we should release him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yes take Oscar away from the #10 role where he's best and play him as a CM where it doesn't utilize any of his major strengths like finding space in between the lines, roaming off the ball to make himself available to the double pivot and his other team mates. I hate this idea of converting him into a CM, whats the point, hes a 25m #10 who is going to be world class, why convert him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remains of the day 564 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Slightly off topic but does anyone watch Pat Nevin's weekly analyses? He did a segment on Azpilicueta and thinks he should be tried in CM. I'm normally skeptical of the Wenger style of 'reinventing' players and playing them out of position but on the other hand, why not try azpi in CM? He's not really a great crosser but very good on the ball and presses well. He's more disciplined than Luiz, more tactically aware and has the energy to get up/down the pitch. Thoughts? Here's the Pat Nevin video. The segment on Azpi is at 3:44http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16m590_analyse-that-pat-arsenal-v-chelsea_sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 So, we should just have Cech punt balls forward than and expect our tweeners to win headers????O, i dont rate luiz as a cm as well, if it was my choice Ake would be getting all the reps as i said last season ake should...In a perfect world we'd have either Aké or Chalobah being developed there at the moment since Mikel is our only true DM, but alas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Yes he was. Ramsey was originally an attacking midfielder known for his attacking exploits.I think Oscar could do a job in the pivot but using Ramsey as a reason to justify it is wrong. Ramsey was never a #10, always been a CM in a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 in his Cardiff days, and more recently in the 4-2-3-1 Arsenal play. He's never been an 'in the hole' player like Oscar so the move wasn't unnatural to him. Ramsey is already used to playing deep and disciplining himself, he's done that from day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Slightly off topic but does anyone watch Pat Nevin's weekly analyses? He did a segment on Azpilicueta and thinks he should be tried in CM. I'm normally skeptical of the Wenger style of 'reinventing' players and playing them out of position but on the other hand, why not try azpi in CM? He's not really a great crosser but very good on the ball and presses well. He's more disciplined than Luiz, more tactically aware and has the energy to get up/down the pitch. Thoughts? Here's the Pat Nevin video. The segment on Azpi is at 3:44http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16m590_analyse-that-pat-arsenal-v-chelsea_sportAzpilicueta is way too uncomfortable on the ball for that. He isn't the sort of player that can get out if tight spaces and he isn't used to playing in the middle - also don't think he has the passing range. No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The title of this thread should have been, 'Can we devolp David Luiz into a defensive midfielder' and the the answer would be..... YES WE CAN!!!I have no idea why anyone would be against him playing in that role. He has the perfect game to suit the pivot and that has been obvious for ages. People say he can't play there for the most ridiculous reasons, in fact reasons of such stupidity I care not to remember them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think yes, he has all the tools to play there. To be perfectly honest, when I didn't knew him, when we first signed him, I thought he would be the direct replacement for Lamps, from my Point of View I would never have called him a #10 but so tastes are different and as long as he performs it isn't up to me.Some act like the world would go down in flames if Oscar was a CM, I think he would be more then world class if he plays there. His stamina, his shooting, his nonsense passes and Rambo isn't a beast either but plays pretty well in the CM-Role... so why shouldn't he be able?just my 2 Cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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