Koke

[The Skipper 20,609]

He screams jack of all trades; master of none.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Meh.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I think what @ is trying to say is that it's not all about where someone plays, it's about what attributes he has. Is he going to bomb down the wing, skill and cross? No. He'll pretty much 1-2 it all the way up the field by the looks of it. He plays on the flank, yes, but that doesn't mean you can pigeon-hole him as a 'flank player' ; as he seems to be comfortable anywhere in midfield.

Him playing one game as CM isn't really an argument against him playing there if it was in Aletico's biggest game of the season, which they won. It should say something.

Besides, Scholes didn't start as a DLP did he? He simply had the attributes to adapt. Seems like Koke can too except it looks like he can tackle as well!

Stop with this "he could potentialy in parrarel universe play in CM position despite he never realy did" bullshit. And Chelsea isnt club for developing talents and making them something else. Schools is one in million, but he had long support from Saf aswell. At Chelsea, you have one shot; make it or break it. We wont magicaly make Koke a CM. Simply sign someone who is playing this position all career. Even for premium, we have money afterall.

We signed Oscar because of that thought, but kid is best at CAM. Koke is very fine player, but far from what we need. He isnt close to Xabi mould (what we need) and that means no-go.

[The Mak 4,459]

Considering that he doesnt see Mata as long term integral player, is there a chance that we might start to play in 4:3:3?

We need to buy CM urgently, but both Rambo and Oscar would probably work even better in 3 man midfield.

------------Cech------------

Azpi----Terry--Luiz-----Cole

-----------Witsel?----------

------Rambo------Oscar------

Willian----Lukaku-----Hazard

Mou wants to play counter football and this would be ideal for our team. Not entirely sure about Willian though and we should see how Lukaku proceeds.

Stop with this "he could potentialy in parrarel universe play in CM position despite he never realy did" bullshit. And Chelsea isnt club for developing talents and making them something else. Schools is one in million, but he had long support from Saf aswell. At Chelsea, you have one shot; make it or break it. We wont magicaly make Koke a CM. Simply sign someone who is playing this position all career. Even for premium, we have money afterall.

We signed Oscar because of that thought, but kid is best at CAM. Koke is very fine player, but far from what we need. He isnt close to Xabi mould (what we need) and that means no-go.

Says I'm talking bullshit when speaking of Koke as a CM, who has actually played there against one of the best teams in the world, but contradicts himself within minutes by suggesting Oscar as CM and then saying his best position is CAM.

I think if anyone should stop the bullshit it's you. Give over.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Says I'm talking bullshit when speaking of Koke as a CM, who has actually played there against one of the best teams in the world, but contradicts himself within minutes by suggesting Oscar as CM and then saying his best position is CAM.

I think if anyone should stop the bullshit it's you. Give over.

CM in pivot is different from CM in three man midfield. Should Koke play for us it would be

Oscar

Koke-Ramires

A no-go.

Koke is same type of player as Oscar, but neither can play in double pivot.

Now why the fuck you want koke if we already have Oscar?l

[The Mak 4,459]

CM in pivot is different from CM in three man midfield. Should Koke play for us it would be

Oscar

Koke-Ramires

A no-go.

Koke is same type of player as Oscar, but neither can play in double pivot.

Now why the fuck you want koke if we already have Oscar?l

If you took the time to properly digest what I wrote, I'm saying he can adapt to become a good DLP; not that he currently is one. It's an investment and it avoids these ridiculously quoted fees for established DLPs as they are so rare these days.

We signed Oscar because of that thought, but kid is best at CAM.

We need to buy CM urgently, but both Rambo and Oscar would probably work even better in 3 man midfield.

Look, you've quite clearly contradicted yourself and it's ok. Just stop being so pedantic, stubborn and downright aggressive about it. Take a chill pill.

Shhhh time now.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If you took the time to properly digest what I wrote, I'm saying he can adapt to become a good DLP; not that he currently is one.

Look, you've quite clearly contradicted yourself and it's ok. Just stop being so pedantic, stubborn and downright aggressive about it. Take a chill pill.

Shhhh time now.

By that I meant

--AM(oscar)---(B2B)Rambo--

---------CM/DM(?)---------

In this case, I didnt contradict myself. Oscar is AM (similar to CAM), in 3 man midfield, but we need to buy a CM (something Koke isnt and probably wont be).

All in all, we need a player who can play along Ramires in double pivot or DM in 4:3:3. That my friend, koke isnt. He cant put defensive shift and stay back along Ramires who likes to bomb forward. Neither can Oscar. But Oscar is best at CAM or in AM role of the 4:3:3. Kapis?

[Bennie 0]

It is reported that Manchester United and Liverpool are eager to sign him. Barca boss Gerardo Martino want to take the player to Catalunya as a long-term replacement for midfield metronome Xavi Hernandez.

[Rekin 835]

I have to say that I am a bit suprised that so few have suggested this player.
While he does mostly play on the left side, he has the necessary skills to play in the pivot, and has several games in central midfield under his belt.
We keep looking at Kroos and Gundogan when this player would be the safer (and cheaper most likely) card.

Personally I believe that Matic - Koke would offer great synergy. One is excellent in the defense but very capable offensively, while the other is excellent offensively but very capable in the defense. That is the kind of balance you want in a pivot.
Add to that the fact that Koke is excellent at set-pieces and we have a player that could answer a lot of problems that the Chelsea squad has today.

Just to repeat myself; I am aware of the fact that Koke is primarily a wide player, but some wide players were meant to remain there, while others can be retooled into central positons (besides, look at Hazard who is excellent both on the wing and in the middle).

[yuvala 2,167]

I have to say that I am a bit suprised that so few have suggested this player.

While he does mostly play on the left side, he has the necessary skills to play in the pivot, and has several games in central midfield under his belt.

We keep looking at Kroos and Gundogan when this player would be the safer (and cheaper most likely) card.

Personally I believe that Matic - Koke would offer great synergy. One is excellent in the defense but very capable offensively, while the other is excellent offensively but very capable in the defense. That is the kind of balance you want in a pivot.

Add to that the fact that Koke is excellent at set-pieces and we have a player that could answer a lot of problems that the Chelsea squad has today.

Just to repeat myself; I am aware of the fact that Koke is primarily a wide player, but some wide players were meant to remain there, while others can be retooled into central positons (besides, look at Hazard who is excellent both on the wing and in the middle).

Great player but is he pivot material ?

[Rekin 835]

Great player but is he pivot material ?

In my opinion absolutely. His skills are of the kind that does not exclude you to the flank. He is excellent at through-balls, he tackles very well and is good in small spaces. He works very hard and is above all an intelligent player.

If it is true that he has a buy-out clause of £17m that I think it is a no-brainer. I hope we get Atletico in the semi, that way Mou can analyze Atletico in-depth and later see Koke in action.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

If it is true that he has a buy-out clause of £17m that I think it is a no-brainer. I hope we get Atletico in the semi, that way Mou can analyze Atletico in-depth and later see Koke in action.

He signed a new contract recently with an upgraded release clause.Besides he came through their academy so its highly unlikely that he would want to leave when his team is playing so well and developing into a major force.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Im not too much into getting a player for pivot who isnt a pivot player. While Koke is great player, Mou will probably want someone who played in CM position for longer time.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

Koke doesn't have much experience in the pivot and usually when he gets the ball in his own half he only has 1 or 2 teammates a head of him, he won't be used to the responsibility of having the back four behind him. He hasn't really shown me the possession retention qualities (in dangerous ares for your team) needed to play in the heat of a pivot. As opposed to a player like Kovacic who does this for club and country and hasn't turned 20 yet, his age however is probably the main reason the club might not look at him. Last week he did a run against Bologna that defines why I am so eager to suggest in us signing him. It's the kind of run Ramires does poorly in, Ramires is the best in the business as running into empty space but not this. At 3:07 in this video Kovacic what he does best and this kind of play makes the difference and it ended up with the team getting into a great position and winning a penalty. I think he is the perfect player to play in our pivot as he will get the opponents nervous in the midfield well before Hazard even gets the ball. He could essentially be another Salah in terms of the transfer workings, Liverpool will make a lowball bid like the cheap bastard scouse they are and if we come with a more respectful one who knows..

go to 3:07

[Mufassir08 2,400]

@BloodIsBlue

You mention Kovacic in almost all of your transfer related posts