Willian

[Alabama 1,992]

Its not a matter of Sarri....its willian himself wanting out and very much interested in Barca move....

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

30 minutes ago, James said:

Look, obviously £60 million is big money for a largely inconsistent winger, but i'm not going to moan if we keep him. Sarri's a big fan and It'll be interesting to see how he fairs in an attacking team. I mean the large majority of his time playing for Chelsea and Brazil have been under pragmatic coaches, the likes of Scoalri, Dunga, Tite, Mourinho and Conte. Who would have Mertens and Insigne would be world beaters under Rafa? all i'm saying is i'm relaxed either way. 

He is 30 years old. He has been used by pragmatic coaches because he is a workhorse, fair play for that but he also played at Shaktar and Anzhi as their star man, basically had a free role and was as limited as under Mourinho and Conte. Even under Sarri he is not magically gonna become some world beater. He is nowhere near worth 60m, this bid was crazy like the Oscar and Ramires bids so I am still mightily pissed that Granny refused. For missing out on 60 million, Willian needs to score 20 goals next season.

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2 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

Its not a matter of Sarri....its willian himself wanting out and very much interested in Barca move....

how do you know that? why should we refuse bids if he wants out?

[Alabama 1,992]

1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

how do you know that? why should we refuse bids if he wants out?

Read reports his head been turned by talks of barcelona by Coutinho in just concluded WC....

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 minute ago, eemanyooel said:

Read reports his head been turned by talks of barcelona by Coutinho in just concluded WC....

I really hope you are right. do you have a link?

[Alabama 1,992]

15 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I really hope you are right. do you have a link?

I will try and get the link...even reportedly telling his agent to pressure chelsea into selling...not sure if that part is true anyway...

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

Willian to Utd for Martial.  Morata to Milan for Donnarumma.  

[Alabama 1,992]

2 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

Willian to Utd for Martial.  Morata to Milan for Donnarumma.  

Source?

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

Source?

Think its more of a I Wish than its happening

 

3 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

I really hope you are right. do you have a link?

One of many been reported since the WC but 2 weeks or so ago Coutinho said he doubted Barca would make a move for him.

Willian, closer to Barcelona thanks to Philippe Coutinho

https://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/willian-closer-to-barcelona-thanks-to-philippe-coutinho-6952815

[Vesper 30,142]

12 hours ago, blues.bridge said:

Icardi would cost like something £100B
Dembele  more or less Willian plus £40B
if we sold also Morata, pedro,giroud and some other like bakayoko or drinkwater, we can get it

Zero chance Icardi goes for anywhere less than £120 to 130m, IF they even sell him.

I agree we could, in theory generate enough cash via sales, but I see almost no effort so far to srat the mass liquidation of deadwood need by Granny and the board.

lets look at thsi in more depth, this time with NO Hazard sale

I see us needing to sell

Courtois £35m 
Drinkwater £30m

Willian £65m (Barca offred this, their thrird increasing bid, SELLLLL)
Luiz £25m to PSG or another place
Alonso £40m to Barca (he isnt going to work in our system as a RB)
Morata £55m 
Victor Moses £25m (we will never get more for him than now)
Cahill £15m
Bakayoko £35m back to Monaco or elsewhere

Zouma £20m (I dont think he ever will fully recover from his cruciate ligament disaster of 2016)
Assorted other small sales  £10m

Roman said a max NET spend of £60m when all is balanced out

we spent £50m on Jorginho

so that leaves around £10m there

 

add it up

that's £365m to the bank (those sell prices are totally realistic, give or take a total of £10m, 15m, and we take a loss on some)

 

KEEP KANTE!!!!

we KEEP Azpilicueta, make NO sense to sell him, he is more than capable of play right fullback in a back 4, and is a great crosser
Keep Ross Barkley
Keep Bats (MAYBE loan him out)
Keep RLC
Keep Giroud (its not like we would get a tonne anyway and he is a GREAT backup or game changer in 60th, 70th minute)

Keep Zappacosta as backup RB

Keep Pedro, he will thrive for 2,3 more years in Sarri ball

Loan out Bats 

 

so, now the buys

Mauro Icardi £125m should get it done
Alex Sandro £55m is what Juve demands, pay it (keep Emerson for backup/rotation)
Rugani £45m
Strakosha £40m (by far best available GK out there now that Donnarumma deal looks to be going south)
Golovin £35m

Leon Bailey £65m (can play either wing, prefers RW even though left-footed)

 

total cost.... £365m, same as the pot from the sales and 10m left over from the £60m net spend Roman demand

 

our team IF we could pull all this off

GK Strakosha

GK (backup) find a cheap replacement for Caballero 

CB Christensen

CB Rugani

CB Rudiger

CB Ampadu (he IS ready for 1st team for sure)

LB Alex Sandro

LB Emerson

RB Azpilicueta 

RB Zappacosta

DMF Kante

DMF Jorginho

CMF Loftus-Cheek

CMF Fabregas

AMF Golovin

AMF Barkley

LW Hazard

LW Hudson-Odoi (he is ready for 1st team!)

RW Leon Bailey

RW Pedro

CF Icardi

CF Giroud

CF Abraham

 

THAT'S a VERY strong, deep, young (only older than 30 players are Giroud, Pedro and Fabregas) team and all done with NO Hazard, NO Kante sales and meets Roman's £60m net spend demand

Fekir is staying at Lyon for now

 

another option is to increase net spending by around £40m (if Roman goes for it) and take out Bailey and put Dembele in his place, which is a big gamble as then we are splashing the equivalent of £105m for a player who was a semi flop at Barca.

 

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12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Zero chance Icardi goes for anywhere less than £120 to 130m, IF they even sell him.

I agree we could, in theory generate enough cash via sales, but I see almost no effort so far to srat the mass liquidation of deadwood need by Granny and the board.

lets look at thsi in more depth, this time with NO Hazard sale

I see us needing to sell

Courtois £35m 
Drinkwater £30m

Willian £65m (Barca offred this, their thrird increasing bid, SELLLLL)
Luiz £25m to PSG or another place
Alonso £40m to Barca (he isnt going to work in our system as a RB)
Morata £55m 
Victor Moses £25m (we will never get more for him than now)
Cahill £15m
Bakayoko £35m back to Monaco or elsewhere

Zouma £20m (I dont think he ever will fully recover from his cruciate ligament disaster of 2016)
Assorted other small sales  £10m

Roman said a max NET spend of £60m when all is balanced out

we spent £50m on Jorginho

so that leaves around £10m there

 

add it up

that's £365m to the bank (those sell prices are totally realistic, give or take a total of £10m, 15m, and we take a loss on some)

 

KEEP KANTE!!!!

we KEEP Azpilicueta, make NO sense to sell him, he is more than capable of play right fullback in a back 4, and is a great crosser
Keep Ross Barkley
Keep Bats (MAYBE loan him out)
Keep RLC
Keep Giroud (its not like we would get a tonne anyway andhe is a GREAT backupor game changers in 60th, 70th minute)

Keep Zappacosta as backup RB

Keep Pedro, he will thrive for 2,3 more years in Sarri ball

Loan out Bats 

 

so, now the buys

Mauro Icardi £125m should get it done
Alex Sandro £55m is what Juve demands, pay it (keep Emerson for backup/rotation)
Rugani £45m
Strakosha £40m (by far best available GK out there now that Donnarumma deal looks to be going south)
Golovin £35m

Leon Bailey £65m (can play either wing, prefers RW even though left-footed)

 

total cost.... £365m, same as the pot from the sales and 10m left over from the £60m net spend Roman demand

 

our team IF we could pull all this off

GK Strakosha

GK (backup) find a cheap replacement for Caballero 

CB Christensen

CB Rugani

CB Rudiger

CB Ampadu (he IS ready for 1st team for sure)

LB Alex Sandro

LB Emerson

RB Azpilicueta 

RB Zappacosta

DMF Kante

DMF Jorginho

CMF Loftus-Cheek

CMF Fabregas

AMF Golovin

AMF Barkley

LW Hazard

LW Hudson-Odoi (he is ready for 1st team!)

RW Leon Bailey

RW Pedro

CF Icardi

CF Giroud

CF Abraham

 

THAT'S a VERY strong, deep, young (only older than 30 players are Giroud, Pedro and Fabregas) team and all done with NO Hazard, NO Kante sales and meets Roman's £60m net spend demand

 

 

I like that and i can't be more agree...

But if we wanted to do that, we should have started this work earlier. He remains 2 weeks before the end of the windows, I can't imagine so many move (OUT/IN).

But definitively this team will be amazing and not impossible from a financial point of view.

 

[Vesper 30,142]

5 minutes ago, Ayioros said:

I like that and i can't be more agree...

But if we wanted to do that, we should have started this work earlier. He remains 2 weeks before the end of the windows, I can't imagine so many move (OUT/IN).

But definitively this team will be amazing and not impossible from a financial point of view.

 

I have been on slow burn for weeks after Granny took that fucking MONTH LONG holiday when the goddamn window first opened!! truly WTF!!!

 

I am beside myself with our board since 2014 or so (KDB, Salah, Lukaku, Costa (partially on Conte!) Nainggolan, Alex Sandro, Koulibaly, etc etc cock up sales or fails to close the deals!!) plus DRINKWATER!!!

[Unionjack 7,531]

16 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I have been on slow burn for weeks after Granny took that fucking MONTH LONG holiday when the goddamn window first opened!! truly WTF!!!

 

I am beside myself with our board since 2014 or so (KDB, Salah, Lukaku, Costa (partially on Conte!) Nainggolan, Alex Sandro, Koulibaly, etc etc cock up sales or fails to close the deals!!)

I'm sure every single one of us are totally pissed off at our board for various reasons and I would be happy if we could just transfer them. But sadly I cant see it changing while Roman owns us. It LOOKS like hes having a slight attitude adjustment as far as playing style goes but same old same old dragging of feet and squeezing every ruble possible in every deal we male while the deals we need are snapped up or time runs out.

I'm happu with your transfers but with our 1 out 1 in policy it fucks us up.

Its our board,transfer system,scouting and DOF that should be high on the 'Things to do' list.

[blu35_army 551]

Zero chance Icardi goes for anywhere less than £120 to 130m, IF they even sell him.
I agree we could, in theory generate enough cash via sales, but I see almost no effort so far to srat the mass liquidation of deadwood need by Granny and the board.
lets look at thsi in more depth, this time with NO Hazard sale
I see us needing to sell
Courtois £35m 
Drinkwater £30m
Willian £65m (Barca offred this, their thrird increasing bid, SELLLLL)
Luiz £25m to PSG or another place
Alonso £40m to Barca (he isnt going to work in our system as a RB)
Morata £55m 
Victor Moses £25m (we will never get more for him than now)
Cahill £15m
Bakayoko £35m back to Monaco or elsewhere
Zouma £20m (I dont think he ever will fully recover from his cruciate ligament disaster of 2016)
Assorted other small sales  £10m
Roman said a max NET spend of £60m when all is balanced out
we spent £50m on Jorginho
so that leaves around £10m there
 
add it up
that's £365m to the bank (those sell prices are totally realistic, give or take a total of £10m, 15m, and we take a loss on some)
 
KEEP KANTE!!!!
we KEEP Azpilicueta, make NO sense to sell him, he is more than capable of play right fullback in a back 4, and is a great crosser
Keep Ross Barkley
Keep Bats (MAYBE loan him out)
Keep RLC
Keep Giroud (its not like we would get a tonne anyway and he is a GREAT backup or game changer in 60th, 70th minute)
Keep Zappacosta as backup RB
Keep Pedro, he will thrive for 2,3 more years in Sarri ball
Loan out Bats 
 
so, now the buys
Mauro Icardi £125m should get it done
Alex Sandro £55m is what Juve demands, pay it (keep Emerson for backup/rotation)
Rugani £45m
Strakosha £40m (by far best available GK out there now that Donnarumma deal looks to be going south)
Golovin £35m
Leon Bailey £65m (can play either wing, prefers RW even though left-footed)
 
total cost.... £365m, same as the pot from the sales and 10m left over from the £60m net spend Roman demand
 
our team IF we could pull all this off
GK Strakosha
GK (backup) find a cheap replacement for Caballero 
CB Christensen
CB Rugani
CB Rudiger
CB Ampadu (he IS ready for 1st team for sure)
LB Alex Sandro
LB Emerson
RB Azpilicueta 
RB Zappacosta
DMF Kante
DMF Jorginho
CMF Loftus-Cheek
CMF Fabregas
AMF Golovin
AMF Barkley
LW Hazard
LW Hudson-Odoi (he is ready for 1st team!)
RW Leon Bailey
RW Pedro
CF Icardi
CF Giroud
CF Abraham
 
THAT'S a VERY strong, deep, young (only older than 30 players are Giroud, Pedro and Fabregas) team and all done with NO Hazard, NO Kante sales and meets Roman's £60m net spend demand
Fekir is staying at Lyon for now
 
another option is to increase net spending by around £40m (if Roman goes for it) and take out Bailey and put Dembele in his place, which is a big gamble as then we are splashing the equivalent of £105m for a player who was a semi flop at Barca.
 

Seems impossible,,zero chance the club selling more than 7 players in short period like now. I bet we can sell maximum 5 players,,the other maybe loan...

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[Vesper 30,142]

On 24/07/2018 at 09:50, Unionjack said:

I'm sire every single one of us are totally pissed off at our board for various reasons and I would be happy if we could just transfer them. But sadly I cant see it changing while Roman owns us. It LOOKS like hes having a slight attitude adjustment as far as playing style goes but same old same old dragging of feet and squeezing every ruble possible in every deal we male while the deals we need are snapped up or time runs out.

I'm happu with your transfers but with our 1 out 1 in policy it fucks us up.

Its our board,transfer system,scouting and DOF that should be high on the 'Things to do' list.

The only players I left out of that long list (that we have been linked to a lot) were Martial, Donnarumma (I replaced him with Strakosha) and then the impossible (if we do not sell Hazard) buy of Milikovinc-Savic (I did address Dembele and Fekir on edit) and  left out Miralem Pjanic/Thiago/Isco (any of those 3 break that budget) and then also left out  RW options Malcom, Bernardeshi, Federico Chiesa and Suso. Only LW I didnt list was Kingsley Coman and then my original first choice, now gone to AM , Thomas Lemar

I also left out my perennial rant/wants/pipe dreams of Kouibaly, and the impossible to get Alaba.

Now for the question

What are your thoughts on Martial as a number 9 in the Sarri system (instead of Morata, Bats, Higuain,or Icardi)?

Edited July 11, 2022 by Vesper