Toli 977 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 ^ through balls are often played by DMs or AMFs and not so often by wingers. also through balls dont get you anything if you havent got one proper striker who makes the right runs and finishes the opponent off. nobody is saying that willian is a bad player, but splashing out 30 m for someone in which position we have KDB, Oscar, Mata, Hazard, Schürrle and Moses looks kinda weird or not?our biggest problem against Villa was that we didnt have enough movement and that Ba always ran in to offside and futhermore, our DM wasnt able to build-up the game and to create something. lamps is a legend, but he is for no means a DM who can pass the ball and build-up or organzie the game. and ramires is more a destroyer and a B2B midfielder than someone who is creative. of course we wont get worse by signing Willian, but for this sort of money we could've signed a striker or a much needed DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,957 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I guess all we need is now 2 defenders from Belgium or Brazil and we are set.CourtoisWallace - David Luiz - XXX - XXXOscar - RamiresDe Bruyne - Willian - HazardLukakuBrazilian and Belgian national teams would become too dependent on us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 1- Mourinho himself said today that Mata is not leaving; Want better confirmation than that?2- Van Ginkel is a new DM/CM.3- The window is not close yet, and sopme days ago many people were saying Lukaku was a beast, and now if you dont want a new player to "harm someone else", so why are you asking for a new striker? A new striker (CF, you mean) will only harm Lukaku, he wont take as many chances as he would right now;1. Mourinho was the same one saying we wouldnt buy any more players. Get real, what he said or says to the media means fuck all!2. MVG is one of the players we need, he wont solve all the problems we continuosly showed last season on the pivot.3. I agree with that, but it doesnt make my concerns any less valid just because the transfer window isnt over. I guess if you were an Arsenal fan, you wouldnt be worried at all since the window is not closed yet, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 what are you doing? Just having drinks with the in laws,you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 our biggest problem against Villa was that we didnt have enough movement and that Ba always ran in to offside and futhermore, our DM wasnt able to build-up the game and to create something. It also didn't help that whenever Mata or Oscar got the ball in space out wide, they would come back inside where Villa had 3 midfielders waiting to stop that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Will you jump off an airplane without a parachute just because Mourinho said you should?Believe me, I have faith in Mourinho. Doesn't mean I have to blindly agree with everything he does. Think for yourself. what aspect of football would require me to jump out of a plane? Your mistaking faith for suicide fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I just downloaded this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R3Im9FPz-A Vintage Mourinho moment. Definitely worth remembering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VlaD20 3 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Someone knew if to Willian will problem to get a work permit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 ^ through balls are often played by DMs or AMFs and not so often by wingers. also through balls dont get you anything if you havent got one proper striker who makes the right runs and finishes the opponent off. nobody is saying that willian is a bad player, but splashing out 30 m for someone in which position we have KDB, Oscar, Mata, Hazard, Schürrle and Moses looks kinda weird or not?our biggest problem against Villa was that we didnt have enough movement and that Ba always ran in to offside and futhermore, our DM wasnt able to build-up the game and to create something. lamps is a legend, but he is for no means a DM who can pass the ball and build-up or organzie the game. and ramires is more a destroyer and a B2B midfielder than someone who is creative. of course we wont get worse by signing Willian, but for this sort of money we could've signed a striker or a much needed DM.I didn't say we don't have the players to make through balls - I meant we don't have the movement or width for players to effectively use through balls - e.g Fast Wingers making intelligent runs and not leaving everything to the Striker... So EVERY striker we have signed barring Drogba (freak ) has been shit? - BA - proven goal scorer in the prem, comes here = shitLukaku - ripped it up at WBATorres - was good now average Even AVERAGE strikers can score goals with the right service and I'm sorry - our playing style does not work for a single striker - it's a fallacy we have deluded ourselves with for years...Go watch us when we had Robben + Duff on the wings - we literally raped everybody - that was Mourinho at his best, if he brings that brand of football back I will be delighted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 So you lot in here are suddenly better equipped to judge Whether a signing is nonsensical based on a failure(broke the Barca dominance with a record points haul by the way) at Madrid...? brilliant! Im sure your fantasy teams are a force to be reckoned withAnd a manager in his first year broke it last season. Means nothing.His Madrid spell was a failure especially with the amount of money they spent and his individual credentials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuf 1,448 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 majority of clubs have 3 strikers competing for one spot and you're all complaining about us having 7 people for 3 positions? give me a break, a good depth is what we were missing those last few years.it's just that i'm not sure if Willian, for that price, is what we should be aiming at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Just having drinks with the in laws,you?trying to figure out how it's even remotely possible that Chelsea have the worst strike force out of all European top clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 And a manager in his first year broke it last season. Means nothing.His Madrid spell was a failure especially with the amount of money they spent and his individual credentials.Can we not rake up that old argument again FFS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 majority of clubs have 3 strikers competing for one spot and you're all complaining about us having 7 people for 3 positions? give me a break, a good depth is what we were missing those last few years.it's just that i'm not sure if Willian, for that price, is what we should be aiming at.It is one thing to have 1 great player, 1 good player and 1 backup competing for one spot. It is another thing to have 6 really good/great player competing for 3 spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Could have spent that £50m towards Willian and Schurrle on Cavani/Falcao/Benzema/, Luke Shaw or Gundogan/Thiago/Moutinho.Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 trying to figure out how it's even remotely possible that Chelsea have the worst strike force out of all European top clubs And that makes Willian shit because... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Someone knew if to Willian will problem to get a work permit ?No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 trying to figure out how it's even remotely possible that Chelsea have the worst strike force out of all European top clubsWow nice to see you backing the players...Like I said to someone else - go watch Robben and Duff tearing up the Chelsea wings - then tell me we don't have a strike force that can score goals? Mazacar just doesn't work as well as Robben and Duff did - it's that simple, hence why all the strikers we buy end up looking shit... We have a slow build up and tempo and it gives the opposition time to organise and defend, fast pacy wingers fuck up defending like ice on an F1 circuit...Before anybody starts I'm not absolving Torres of anything - but i have seen many runs he makes where we decide to piss around with the ball and not pass to him, same with BA and same with Lukaku... So all 3 of our strikers could do with some real width and space to run into... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Well, I perfectly understand why so many people are being confused and angry regarding the fact we're about to splash £30m to strengthen our best area while we could (and should) strengthen other areas (center midfield) in priority.But, have you thought about the possibility that there is no suitable defensive/central midfielder available at the moment, into the board's opinion ? It's an eventuality which is more than likely. Or that we would have to pay over the odds to get one... the Board was unilaterally congratulated for not paying over the odds to get Cavani, wasn't it ? Or maybe we don't want to buy a short-term solution for that (CM/DM) position and prefer to wait next year ?In that regard, I don't see any problem in reinforcing our best department. It would be utterly ridiculous to not strengthen at all our team just because we cannot strengthen our weakest area.We don't have any information regarding who's available on the transfer market. We don't know which players have been considered as a possible purchase ; we don't know which players we have tried to sign.For Christ's sake, be happy that we can actually reinforce our squad, even if it is not for our most in-the-need area... Remind me, how many players have Manchester and Arsenal bought to reinforce their squad, huh ? So be happy with what's happening, yes there's better, but there's a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I didn't say we don't have the players to make through balls - I meant we don't have the movement or width for players to effectively use through balls - e.g Fast Wingers making intelligent runs and not leaving everything to the Striker...So EVERY striker we have signed barring Drogba (freak ) has been shit? -BA - proven goal scorer in the prem, comes here = shitLukaku - ripped it up at WBATorres - was good now averageEven AVERAGE strikers can score goals with the right service and I'm sorry - our playing style does not work for a single striker - it's a fallacy we have deluded ourselves with for years...Go watch us when we had Robben + Duff on the wings - we literally raped everybody - that was Mourinho at his best, if he brings that brand of football back I will be delighted...torres was already shit for pool before he joined. lukaku hasnt played that much so its hard to decide. Ba hasnt got really in to the team and being proven for newcastle where and playing for chelsea is something different. if you are a striker for a top club, you are getting marked different and clubs park the bus against you etc. Against NU hardly any team ever parked the bus and Ba had way more space than he has while playing for chelsea.look at spurs. they had lennon and bale...fast wingers who made runs. still the strikers couldnt score anything. of course we lacked witdh sometimes, but often our players had to cut inside or drop deeper, because our DM wasnt working properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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