🇧🇷 Willian

[mccg 1,528]

11 hours ago, Muzchap said:

Wow - why so angry and bitter at every player?

we knew the season was fucked very early on - this cannot be a surprise? 

And if anybody is due some slack it's this guy - who hasn't stopped all season 

the remaining games mean fuck all - major tournament coming up, why risk anything? I know footballers are portrayed as stupid - but this lad has brains. I would do exactly the same thing.

chill and prepare for next season  

Wow every player angry&bitter were u get that dude? Fair enough Willian has been best player but for £30 mill you would expect that sort of mmm level tho imho he needs even more improvement with corners,set pieces,shooting,and i get all the games mean feck all,so why play him give the chance to somebody who WILL GIVE A FUCK,good experience for some other player of sorts!

[Muzchap 8,966]

22 minutes ago, mccg said:

Wow every player angry&bitter were u get that dude? Fair enough Willian has been best player but for £30 mill you would expect that sort of mmm level tho imho he needs even more improvement with corners,set pieces,shooting,and i get all the games mean feck all,so why play him give the chance to somebody who WILL GIVE A FUCK,good experience for some other player of sorts!

Apologies - my time is limited on the forums, so maybe I have been unlucky and only seen your posts when you were annoyed

I think you need to decouple Price vs Quality - not all highly priced players are good and not all lower priced players are shit - the cost of the player depends on many factors. In this specific case, Willian was a Spuds target, they had agreed a price and a deal and we swooped in and gazumped them at the last minute. I would have rated Willian as a £20 million player, but in order to secure him, we had to pay more than his market value. Therefore, IMHO it's unfair to level a 'he cost X he should deliver Y' allegation at him, as he has no control over the final sale price (which is true of many players, except maybe Bosman players)

To address your other point - why is Willian playing (I agree with you here, wholeheartedly) - but Willian again has no control? The manager picks the team, if Willian refused to play - what kind of message is that? As fans we would be up in arms! 

So in summary - whilst you can be frustrated about the situation - I don't think you can blame Willian directly, as he has little influence in either factor? 

I do hope the kids get more of a chance now though

[LAM09 7,054]

I did try to edit it to say - major for him. But it went wrong so didn't bother. 

Representing your country at any Touranment is major to a player. 

By the time Mou left the season was already gone. 

This has clearly been his best season at Chelsea. 

We still had the CL and FA Cup to play for. He has had a good half to the season. Let's hope him and the rest of the squad last the course next season

[mccg 1,528]

Hope he read this forum after his all so embarrissing show last game lol,keep these stats up he will match Victor Moses- again for all u negative cfcunts lol(u know who u )

[the wes 7,212]

Chinese club wants to sign willian at £50m 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-willian-50m-target-chinese-7855656

 

 

 

[Muzchap 8,966]

7 minutes ago, the wes said:

Chinese club wants to sign willian at £50m 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-willian-50m-target-chinese-7855656

 

 

 

I would sell for that money, maybe 55 million - squeeze a few more quid...

[the wes 7,212]

10 hours ago, Muzchap said:

I would sell for that money, maybe 55 million - squeeze a few more quid...

I doubt conte would sell willian conte love players who are work horses 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Shouldn't even be considered to be sold on.

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Shouldn't even be considered to be sold on.

When is the best time to sell a player?
I remember the same being said about Oscar two seasons ago. 

Now almost everyone wants to sell. 

Sometimes you have to sell when the value is the highest and you can get a good replacement. 

[lucio 5,418]

i'd sell at a £20m profit any day. he's done well, but it's mostly just putting in a shift and  some free kicks. Dosen't have a £30m skillset let alone £50m

[Pizy 18,911]

In my opinion we have two absolute "unsellables" in our team at the moment: Hazard & Willian

The only two players in our squad that offer skill sets so unique that we can't simply go out and replace. Willian is far too valuable to sell. He should be brilliant under Conte. The perfect hard working player he likes.

[the wes 7,212]

32 minutes ago, Fernando said:

 you can get a good replacement. 

Who would u replace willian with if he was to be sold mate ?? 

[Fernando 6,585]

15 minutes ago, the wes said:

Who would u replace willian with if he was to be sold mate ?? 

Let's see we get 50 million. 

We can easily use that money and put some extra in getting a player like Bale...if Bale was available. 

I'm not a scout, what winger can you get for 50 million or even a little more? 

Edit: What about using the 50 million and trying to get Griezman? 

[Essien19 1,415]

He holds on too long to the ball, slows the whole play down.

Similar to Hazard, we have two of them. Misplaces a lot of passes, decision making in the final third is still questionable.

I like the man, always working, covering a lot of ground and his acceleration with the ball can be astonishing, remember that against PSG.

An offer about 50 mil?!

Could buy another central midfielder for a 4-3-3, or significantly strengthen the defence.

I my view those two areas are more important, furthermore we still have some wingers who can be more of a goal threat.

Hazard or Willian, it seems Conte is in to Hazard...

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[Pizy 18,911]

15 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Let's see we get 50 million. 

We can easily use that money and put some extra in getting a player like Bale...if Bale was available. 

I'm not a scout, what winger can you get for 50 million or even a little more? 

Edit: What about using the 50 million and trying to get Griezman? 

Highly doubt we can get players in that tier this summer. If we were in the CL, maybe. Bale and Griezmann will be able to choose their destination between just about any club in Europe if they left.

[Stats 7,142]

35 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Let's see we get 50 million. 

We can easily use that money and put some extra in getting a player like Bale...if Bale was available. 

I'm not a scout, what winger can you get for 50 million or even a little more? 

Edit: What about using the 50 million and trying to get Griezman? 

LOL, Bale? Be realistic. We are in no form of European footy. Bale has proven that when Ronaldo is absent, how vital he is for Real and he needs to be appreciated much more there and I think Real know this. Bale is a key player for Real and he is their future. Not a chance they sell him. It is easy to get big money for a player, but replacing them is not as easy as you think. I would not sell Willian at £50m. Way too key for us.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

57 minutes ago, Stats said:

Bale has proven that when Ronaldo is absent

Yeah man, if Ronaldo does make a move this summer (which could happen) Bale will be an important asset for them. You just hope they don't want Hazard to replace Ronaldo  

[El P. 1,354]

Selling Hazard, Willian, even Fabregas, is out of the question. FIRST task this summer is to keep our best players. Situation can get even worse, guys. Let's not fool ourselves.

Selling Willian and getting Reus-Bale-like player is a dream. It may happen, with us offering tons of cash, but even then it's very unlikely.

And yes... We sold Ramires, got nice sum of money. We can sell Oscar, even Matić. Why the hell Willian?

[Fernando 6,585]

3 hours ago, Stats said:

LOL, Bale? Be realistic. We are in no form of European footy. Bale has proven that when Ronaldo is absent, how vital he is for Real and he needs to be appreciated much more there and I think Real know this. Bale is a key player for Real and he is their future. Not a chance they sell him. It is easy to get big money for a player, but replacing them is not as easy as you think. I would not sell Willian at £50m. Way too key for us.

Well like I said you should know when to sell. Two seasons ago we could have sold Oscar for a fortune and now hardly much.

I think Willian might have reached his peak. Hazard in the other hand still  has more room to grow.

This is the mistake we keep making over and over again.

Also Ivanovic two seasons ago would have gone for some nice money now less and less.

 

Highly doubt we can get players in that tier this summer. If we were in the CL, maybe. Bale and Griezmann will be able to choose their destination between just about any club in Europe if they left.

Not if you put the money and we are only out for one season.

Look at United, they spend well and got good players without no CL. And they will be out of the CL more then likely this season and still spend.
It should not stop us as long as we have a project and continue to spend.

 

[Fernando 6,585]

3 hours ago, Essien19 said:

He holds on too long to the ball, slows the whole play down.

Similar to Hazard, we have two of them. Misplaces a lot of passes, decision making in the final third is still questionable.

I like the man, always working, covering a lot of ground and his acceleration with the ball can be astonishing, remember that against PSG.

An offer about 50 mil?!

Could buy another central midfielder for a 4-3-3, or significantly strengthen the defence.

I my view those two areas are more important, furthermore we still have some wingers who can be more of a goal threat.

Hazard or Willian, it seems Conte is in to Hazard...

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Keep Hazard sell Willian for the 50 million.

Heck we can even used that money to get someone like Barkley or Stones. Since Stones will cost about that amount if we want to get him. Or if we want Lukaku back. That's money to help us with those funds.