Jase 43,479 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 58 minutes ago, AWorriedChelseaFan said: It's pretty weird to see a player that is regarded as one of the best deadball specialist in Europe to not be able to take corners brilliantly, I'm not dissing Willian OFC. I loved him since back when he joined us in 2013, props to him for stepping up his game for this season. One of the best deadball specialist in Europe? 3-4 months of scoring from free kicks doesn't make one a specialist. blues.bridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jason said: One of the best deadball specialist in Europe? 3-4 months of scoring from free kicks doesn't make one a specialist. Err he has one of the best records in Europe this season so yeah, he is a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Kieran. said: Err he has one of the best records in Europe this season so yeah, he is a specialist. But stats don't always tell the whole story, do they? blues.bridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWorriedChelseaFan 151 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 54 minutes ago, Jason said: One of the best deadball specialist in Europe? 3-4 months of scoring from free kicks doesn't make one a specialist. Are you implying that the free kicks that Willian scored in the last few months of last year as ''flukes'' then ? From what I have seen, I don't think any of them were ''lucky goals'' or ''goalkeeping errors''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Just now, AWorriedChelseaFan said: Are you implying that the free kicks that Willian scored in the last few months of last year as ''flukes'' then ? From what I have seen, I don't think any of them were ''lucky goals'' or ''goalkeeping errors''. I'm not implying those free kicks were flukes. They were great but it doesn't change the fact that he only managed to do that for 3-4 months and doing it for only such a short period of time doesn't make one a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 He scored 5-6 FKs in quick succession. A dry spell was always going to happen. Question is if he can get back to converting free-kicks on the regular (though it will never be like before). Agree with Jason here, too early to call him a specialist. Drogba had that one season, converting FKs and regularly threatening. 09/10. But never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 He scored 5-6 FKs in quick succession. A dry spell was always going to happen. Question is if he can get back to converting free-kicks on the regular (though it will never be like before). Agree with Jason here, too early to call him a specialist. Drogba had that one season, converting FKs and regularly threatening. 09/10. But never again. I think it was just a hot spell. Hasn't been close with most of his efforts in the last three months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,125 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 On 25/03/2016 at 4:28 PM, DYC. said: He scored 5-6 FKs in quick succession. A dry spell was always going to happen. Question is if he can get back to converting free-kicks on the regular (though it will never be like before). Agree with Jason here, too early to call him a specialist. Drogba had that one season, converting FKs and regularly threatening. 09/10. But never again. Â On 26/03/2016 at 3:28 AM, LAM09 said: I think it was just a hot spell. Hasn't been close with most of his efforts in the last three months. No one in the entire known history of the game has ever been able to continue the rate of conversion Willian experienced over an extended period . Of course it was just a hot spell and of course he won't get it back. Such runs as Willian's and The Drog's are never more than coincidences dressed as form. The Skipper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 No one in the entire known history of the game has ever be able to continue the rate of conversion Willian experienced over an extended period . Of course it was just a hot spell and of course he won't get it back. Such runs as Willian's and The Drog's are never more than coincidences dressed as form. Juninho's rate wasn't as good as that, but still very impressive. However, his accuracy was normally on point most of the time. Willian isn't even hitting the target as of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWorriedChelseaFan 151 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 On 26/3/2016 at 9:47 PM, Jason said: I'm not implying those free kicks were flukes. They were great but it doesn't change the fact that he only managed to do that for 3-4 months and doing it for only such a short period of time doesn't make one a specialist. You've got a great point there, Jason. I'll admit it that it was pretty childish from my POV, 3-4 months of good run of form in FKs doesn't mean that the player is a specialist in taking FKs. Sorry for the late reply btw, I'm too busy nowadays and can't really be arsed to check the forums daily  On 26/3/2016 at 0:28 AM, DYC. said: He scored 5-6 FKs in quick succession. A dry spell was always going to happen. Question is if he can get back to converting free-kicks on the regular (though it will never be like before). Agree with Jason here, too early to call him a specialist. Drogba had that one season, converting FKs and regularly threatening. 09/10. But never again. Drogba's form back in 2009/10 season was insanely good bro, one of the best performances I have seen from a striker in recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Chelsea will hold discussions with the Brazil football confederation amidst concerns that Willian could miss the start of next season if he is selected to represent his country at the Olympics. The winger, who has been Chelsea’s star performer this campaign, is also set to play for Brazil at the Copa America. Willian has scored four league goals this season. (London Evening Standard)  Fucking joke this is take Oscar instead Essien19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Great start for next season grrrrrrr willian is going to be burnt out next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Watching him last week i think he got himself a brazilian bikini wax and had his flip flops on already,hope we have another player to challenge and rotate/rest his position next season.      Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 5 hours ago, mccg said: Watching him last week i think he got himself a brazilian bikini wax and had his flip flops on already,hope we have another player to challenge and rotate/rest his position next season.      Wow - why so angry and bitter at every player? we knew the season was fucked very early on - this cannot be a surprise? And if anybody is due some slack it's this guy - who hasn't stopped all season the remaining games mean fuck all - major tournament coming up, why risk anything? I know footballers are portrayed as stupid - but this lad has brains. I would do exactly the same thing. chill and prepare for next season  Kunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Neymar reached an agreement with Brazil board where he'll participate in Rio but not at the Copa. Not sure how inclined they will be to do the same with Chelsea.. Iiirc, clubs have to release players for Copa as it's a FIFA tournament, but have no such obligations for the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Wow - why so angry and bitter at every player? we knew the season was fucked very early on - this cannot be a surprise? And if anybody is due some slack it's this guy - who hasn't stopped all season the remaining games mean fuck all - major tournament coming up, why risk anything? I know footballers are portrayed as stupid - but this lad has brains. I would do exactly the same thing. [emoji4] chill and prepare for next season [emoji4] Neither tournament is necessarily major (Centenario is just a way to make some extra money and the Olympics is essentially an Under 21 comp). I guess the fact the latter is in Brazil and they are yet to win it adds some importance, but he's been on a decline since Mou left IMO.Not sure what's gone on since then. I think everyone is giving him a pass to an extent, but there is a question to be answered. mccg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 4 hours ago, LAM09 said: Neither tournament is necessarily major (Centenario is just a way to make some extra money and the Olympics is essentially an Under 21 comp). I guess the fact the latter is in Brazil and they are yet to win it adds some importance, but he's been on a decline since Mou left IMO.Not sure what's gone on since then. I think everyone is giving him a pass to an extent, but there is a question to be answered. I did try to edit it to say - major for him. But it went wrong so didn't bother. Representing your country at any Touranment is major to a player. By the time Mou left the season was already gone. This has clearly been his best season at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 11 hours ago, Muzchap said: Wow - why so angry and bitter at every player? we knew the season was fucked very early on - this cannot be a surprise? And if anybody is due some slack it's this guy - who hasn't stopped all season the remaining games mean fuck all - major tournament coming up, why risk anything? I know footballers are portrayed as stupid - but this lad has brains. I would do exactly the same thing. chill and prepare for next season  Wow every player angry&bitter were u get that dude? Fair enough Willian has been best player but for £30 mill you would expect that sort of mmm level tho imho he needs even more improvement with corners,set pieces,shooting,and i get all the games mean feck all,so why play him give the chance to somebody who WILL GIVE A FUCK,good experience for some other player of sorts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, mccg said: Wow every player angry&bitter were u get that dude? Fair enough Willian has been best player but for £30 mill you would expect that sort of mmm level tho imho he needs even more improvement with corners,set pieces,shooting,and i get all the games mean feck all,so why play him give the chance to somebody who WILL GIVE A FUCK,good experience for some other player of sorts! Apologies - my time is limited on the forums, so maybe I have been unlucky and only seen your posts when you were annoyed I think you need to decouple Price vs Quality - not all highly priced players are good and not all lower priced players are shit - the cost of the player depends on many factors. In this specific case, Willian was a Spuds target, they had agreed a price and a deal and we swooped in and gazumped them at the last minute. I would have rated Willian as a £20 million player, but in order to secure him, we had to pay more than his market value. Therefore, IMHO it's unfair to level a 'he cost X he should deliver Y' allegation at him, as he has no control over the final sale price (which is true of many players, except maybe Bosman players) To address your other point - why is Willian playing (I agree with you here, wholeheartedly) - but Willian again has no control? The manager picks the team, if Willian refused to play - what kind of message is that? As fans we would be up in arms! So in summary - whilst you can be frustrated about the situation - I don't think you can blame Willian directly, as he has little influence in either factor? I do hope the kids get more of a chance now though mccg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I did try to edit it to say - major for him. But it went wrong so didn't bother. Representing your country at any Touranment is major to a player. By the time Mou left the season was already gone. This has clearly been his best season at Chelsea. We still had the CL and FA Cup to play for. He has had a good half to the season. Let's hope him and the rest of the squad last the course next season mccg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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